I'm having a talk tomorrow about a pay rise

[PlumPrincess]

I have a meeting with my boss tomorrow - I want more money! He's not exactly the one who can give me more money, but he can push and support my cause. But - I'm also pretty sure he's not going to do it (I know, I know, show him a list with the additional tasks that were added to your job, show him the results you achieved, etc, etc. I'm pretty sure he won't give a f*ck.). I should have also looked for similar positions, check out their offers and show him what my worth on the market is, but well, I haven't managed to do that.

 

So, how should I proceed tomorrow? Let's assume he does pretend that he wants to help me. I guess, a good idea would be to ask him for a time line? And if he refuses, should I say that I then would go and look for a different position in my company? Or should I just smile, thank him and send out new applications the moment I leave his office?

[Balzac]

Fortune 500 company? What's your bosses job title?

[PlumPrincess]

Fortune 500 company? What's your bosses job title?

Google says yes. Head of department. But it's the purchasing department that decides on my position.

[Balzac]

Purchasing as in you're on a temp contract? Rarely does a purchasing dept get involved in personnel matters. Very unusual.

 

Good luck though!

[tbf]

If you can't quantify why you deserve a pay increase, why would your boss fight for a raise for you? Call me confused.

[PlumPrincess]

If you can't quantify why you deserve a pay increase, why would your boss fight for a raise for you? Call me confused.

Where do I say I can't?

[tbf]

Where do I say I can't?

Okay, then "won't".

[PlumPrincess]

Okay, then "won't".

I'm confused. I do have a list with more responsibilities and I will talk with him about them, but I also think I have a good idea now how that man works.

[tbf]

(I know, I know, show him a list with the additional tasks that were added to your job, show him the results you achieved, etc, etc. I'm pretty sure he won't give a f*ck.). I should have also looked for similar positions, check out their offers and show him what my worth on the market is, but well, I haven't managed to do that.

 

I'm confused. I do have a list with more responsibilities and I will talk with him about them, but I also think I have a good idea now how that man works.

The impression I got with the above, is that you didn't plan to do anything because he won't care and have no plans to prove your market value through objective data.

 

From the sounds of it, based on your most recent post, you do plan to quantify the additional responsibilities but don't plan to prove your market value.

 

Is this now a more accurate depiction?

[PlumPrincess]

The impression I got with the above, is that you didn't plan to do anything because he won't care and have no plans to prove your market value through objective data.

 

From the sounds of it, based on your most recent post, you do plan to quantify the additional responsibilities but don't plan to prove your market value.

 

Is this now a more accurate depiction?

No, I was just saying, I didn't really want tips going in that direction. Other people in my department are doing a similar job and got a pay rise after a probably similar time period. I'm just saying, that area is sort of covered. What I need is to plan my strategy after the rejection or when he tries to string me along with promises.

[PlumPrincess]

I need to go to bed. Guys, read my post. All of it!

[PlumPrincess]

Oh, and one of my co-worker, who is sort of a team leader (well, it's just the two of us), has also already talked with my boss about my duties and he also supports a pay rise. So, whatever I say, it won't be a completely new revelation to my boss.

[Col1]

So, how should I proceed tomorrow? Let's assume he does pretend that he wants to help me. I guess, a good idea would be to ask him for a time line? And if he refuses, should I say that I then would go and look for a different position in my company? Or should I just smile, thank him and send out new applications the moment I leave his office?

 

Ask the boss what more you can do to earn a raise. Ease him into the idea that you're worth more.

 

If you don't get a raise, you shouldn't threaten that you'll look for other work elsewhere. Either you're going to do it or not.

 

For every open job, there are hundreds of unemployed people willing to work longer, harder, (possibly better!), and gladly accept less pay and no benefits. That's a small part of what motivates me in my non-union job.

[2sure]

I need to make sure my career is on the right path and my work reflects that.

I'd like to know if I have the opportunity to continue moving forward here, and would like to talk about increasing my salary.

[UpwardForward]

I have a meeting with my boss tomorrow - I want more money! He's not exactly the one who can give me more money, but he can push and support my cause. But - I'm also pretty sure he's not going to do it (I know, I know, show him a list with the additional tasks that were added to your job, show him the results you achieved, etc, etc. I'm pretty sure he won't give a f*ck.). I should have also looked for similar positions, check out their offers and show him what my worth on the market is, but well, I haven't managed to do that.

 

So, how should I proceed tomorrow? Let's assume he does pretend that he wants to help me. I guess, a good idea would be to ask him for a time line? And if he refuses, should I say that I then would go and look for a different position in my company? Or should I just smile, thank him and send out new applications the moment I leave his office?

 

If there is room for advancement in your company, perhaps you should check your qualifications with those and other opportunities, before even asking for a raise.

 

If not, then I'm with those who suggest that you ask him how you can qualify for that pay increase..

[tbf]

I need to go to bed. Guys, read my post. All of it!

We did. It's up to you to post clearly. Same as it will be up to you to solicit your boss using clear communications of why you feel you deserve a raise.

 

If you approach him in the same manner you've laid out your posts on LS within this thread, you're right. He's not going to care or be convinced that you deserve more.

[pink_sugar]

Have you researched the average pay for your current job title? If it is below average, then you can simply use this for leverage. If several X companies are willing to hire you for the same position at a higher rate, negotiate that your asking rate is the current going rate for your years of experience and job duties. Emphasize how you really enjoy working here and highlight your skills and experience in which you feel you are deserving of this raise.

[PlumPrincess]

Ask the boss what more you can do to earn a raise. Ease him into the idea that you're worth more.

That was a good suggestion. I did that today.

 

If you don't get a raise, you shouldn't threaten that you'll look for other work elsewhere. Either you're going to do it or not.

It was a surprisingly nice talk and I didn't threaten, but I express my desire to advance in my job and that I didn't intend to stay at a dead end job and he understood.

 

For every open job, there are hundreds of unemployed people willing to work longer, harder, (possibly better!), and gladly accept less pay and no benefits. That's a small part of what motivates me in my non-union job.

No, you don't get more money, because you work harder and longer. It's a good basis, so you can walk in with the belief that you deserve what you demand, but yes, you get more money, because you demand it.

 

There are enough people in my department who do similar jobs as I do and who get paid way more (and no, they are not better at their job than I am). So if the company can afford the money to pay them more, they can also afford to pay me more as well.

[PlumPrincess]

I need to make sure my career is on the right path and my work reflects that.

I'd like to know if I have the opportunity to continue moving forward here, and would like to talk about increasing my salary.

Thanks. I said something similar today.

[PlumPrincess]

If there is room for advancement in your company, perhaps you should check your qualifications with those and other opportunities, before even asking for a raise.

 

If not, then I'm with those who suggest that you ask him how you can qualify for that pay increase..

I'm fine where I am.

[PlumPrincess]

We did. It's up to you to post clearly. Same as it will be up to you to solicit your boss using clear communications of why you feel you deserve a raise.

 

If you approach him in the same manner you've laid out your posts on LS within this thread, you're right. He's not going to care or be convinced that you deserve more.

I'm not sure why you didn't understand my post, but I kept your replies in the back of my mind to make sure that I would communicate as clear as possible.

[PlumPrincess]

Have you researched the average pay for your current job title? If it is below average, then you can simply use this for leverage. If several X companies are willing to hire you for the same position at a higher rate, negotiate that your asking rate is the current going rate for your years of experience and job duties. Emphasize how you really enjoy working here and highlight your skills and experience in which you feel you are deserving of this raise.

The first suggestion wouldn't really work in my situation. But thanks.

[UpwardForward]

That was a good suggestion. I did that today.

 

 

It was a surprisingly nice talk and I didn't threaten, but I express my desire to advance in my job and that I didn't intend to stay at a dead end job and he understood.

 

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What did he say? Did he offer suggestions or say he would try to get you a pay increase?

[pink_sugar]

For every open job, there are hundreds of unemployed people willing to work longer, harder, (possibly better!), and gladly accept less pay and no benefits. That's a small part of what motivates me in my non-union job.

 

I know that working for a company with no paid holidays, sick days or benefits doesn't motivate me at all. The only thing it helps motivate me with is looking for another job. You get sick of it after awhile. You learn to pick yourself up and motivate yourself to do better. A lot of those people competing for any wage probably have minimal skills or education to bring to the table.

[PlumPrincess]

What did he say? Did he offer suggestions or say he would try to get you a pay increase?

He was pretty open about and he said he would do his best and would take care of it. I included some more suggestions which he also accepted. It's better than what I had thought even when he didn't give me exactly what I wanted.

 

What did upset me was something else. I had a talk with my co-worker a couple of months ago, asking him if he had talked with my boss or if I should talk to him myself and he said he had talked with him and had expressed his full support for the pay rise. It did sound as if he was actively supporting my case with my boss. Turns out, my boss did not know that he had been expected to do anything. I was like and he was the same. He had noticed that me and my co-worker had discussed some things, but he hadn't been approached to become active. I had sent my co-worker my job description which he was actually supposed to give to my boss and he didn't do it. I had agreed to be his substitute for four weeks and now for another six weeks and now I find out he had misled me.