RogerWallace111 Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 Read and acknowledge. The thing is this: The court has to side with someone when it's one person's word against the other. With or without evidence. You think that someone is gonna be the male ?? Maybe in Alabama 35 years ago. Can you imagine a judge is sitting by while a woman tells her sob story about being beaten by a man and saying "Nope, sorry, don't believe you. Case dismissed." They will always err on her side, and understandably in a way, as what would be the other option ? What else would you expect ?? It allows the judge to think "well, maybe some guys end up with felonies they didn't deserve, but at least the one's that are guilty are being punished." They can be much more content and at ease thinking a guy may be dealing with an undue rap than that they may have put a woman back in the position to be beaten. I'd do the same if I were a judge. You think the legal system is fool proof ?? By ANY means ??? If so you're a seriously ignorant, brainwashed dumbass. 2
TaraMaiden Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 she told the cops he beat her on the arm with a bat. She went to school, and told everyone he beat her face in. No bruises anywhere. Yup. he's a felon all right. 2
thefooloftheyear Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 I just hope some of you all are chosen as jurors when the shyt finally hits the fan for me!! TFY 2
fortyninethousand322 Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 I just hope some of you all are chosen as jurors when the shyt finally hits the fan for me!! TFY Anything except assault/theft/murder/rape (or some variation thereof) I'm acquitting. No matter how obviously guilty you might be. Smuggle drugs? Not guilty. Cheated on your taxes? Not guilty. .09 DUI in which no accident occurred? Not guilty. 2
thefooloftheyear Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 Well how can you say to someone you barely know : "i dont want to know about your past??" i think you are making your own problems by saying that. because exactly some of his past is what you need to know. no one is where they are today without their past. and by knowing the past(also childhood) of the person you can have a view of why they are who they are and what you may aspect of the person, also looking at a person previous relationships can teach you a lot. like: how you may be treated at a certain point. or how the person may deal with conflicts once you have a argument with them etc. while getting to know someone you most be able to know as much as possible about them. urghhhhhhhhhhhhh, People please wake upppppppp!!!! stop playing Juliet and romeo while dating etc. thats what get a lot of people in bad relationships. because instead of digging into who the person is, and they mentality and motivation etc. they are busy with only kissing and having sex and romantic stuff. and i dont know but i think you never get to know somethings without a reason. so its up to you to listing to this warning, or to ignore it. if something happen you now can not say : "i did not know". and i dont know .......never had the impression that boxers are people that can control themselves. Damn....YOu were SO close!! I actually was going to agree with a post you made...right up to the last line.. Most fighters(real fighters anyway)are actually the least dangerous people outside of the ring.. TFY
Drseussgrrl Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 Read and acknowledge. The thing is this: The court has to side with someone when it's one person's word against the other. With or without evidence. You think that someone is gonna be the male ?? Maybe in Alabama 35 years ago. Can you imagine a judge is sitting by while a woman tells her sob story about being beaten by a man and saying "Nope, sorry, don't believe you. Case dismissed." They will always err on her side, and understandably in a way, as what would be the other option ? What else would you expect ?? It allows the judge to think "well, maybe some guys end up with felonies they didn't deserve, but at least the one's that are guilty are being punished." They can be much more content and at ease thinking a guy may be dealing with an undue rap than that they may have put a woman back in the position to be beaten. I'd do the same if I were a judge. You think the legal system is fool proof ?? By ANY means ??? If so you're a seriously ignorant, brainwashed dumbass. You don't need to resort to name-calling. Did you do that a lot in your marriage, too? And - with all that being said, why are rape charges so often dropped? Why is it so hard to get a rape conviction? Same thing isn't it? Her word against his? 2
thefooloftheyear Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 she told the cops he beat her on the arm with a bat. She went to school, and told everyone he beat her face in. No bruises anywhere. Yup. he's a felon all right. That wouldnt be enough for a felony conviction, IMO... I think people really underestimate the severity of a felony assault conviction..I will tell you this much..I dont hire felons in my company, I dont care if they can shoot lightning out of their asses..And frankly, I dont have the time to investigate the case..Most companies would do the same...Its some serious shyt.. Next.... TFY 2
PlumPrincess Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 The title made me think that it was a quite obvious situation, but after reading the post I would say you should try to find out all the details at first. What do your instincts say? I tend to believe that if he was really the violent type, he would have shown some signs already, like verbal abuse, and not only physical abuse.
TaraMaiden Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 That wouldnt be enough for a felony conviction, IMO... I think people really underestimate the severity of a felony assault conviction..I will tell you this much..I dont hire felons in my company, I dont care if they can shoot lightning out of their asses..And frankly, I dont have the time to investigate the case..Most companies would do the same...Its some serious shyt.. Next.... TFY No it wouldn't. But he pleaded guilty to the charges, because of possiblke repercussions.... jeesh you guys are a really "tough audience".... I'm out of here. Hopefully the OP has enough common sense to sort the wheat from the chaff on here, rely on her own experience and knowledge of the guy, if needs be do a little more personal research and ask a few questions, and come to her own conclusions. At this rate, Gandhi wouldn't ever have gotten a look-in by your standards....!! Did Gandhi abuse his wife? Answer: Yes, there was one incident that Gandhi writes of abusing his wife in his autobiography. This happened when she refused to clean the latrine.
soccerrprp Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 she told the cops he beat her on the arm with a bat. She went to school, and told everyone he beat her face in. No bruises anywhere. Yup. he's a felon all right. All of this is NOT necessarily the facts. None of us, including the OP know this to be true. This is information from the ONLY source, the guy who has the felony for assault. Again, not saying he IS guilty of assault, but the OP should do some digging to find out or simply decide based on her own contact with the guy that 'he just can't be the same person' who now has a felony on his criminal record. 1
TaraMaiden Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 All of this is NOT necessarily the facts. None of us, including the OP know this to be true. This is information from the ONLY source, the guy who has the felony for assault. Not so. From the OP's first post: The mutual friend said she didn't know his ex very well, but that the girl went all over school telling people that he beat her face in. They never saw her with any bruises or marks though. And a lot of people at there high school thought she was a lying because he broke up with her. Again, not saying he IS guilty of assault, but the OP should do some digging to find out or simply decide based on her own contact with the guy that 'he just can't be the same person' who now has a felony on his criminal record. Precisely what I advised, if that's what she chooses to do. 1
soccerrprp Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 Not so. From the OP's first post: Precisely what I advised, if that's what she chooses to do. Stand corrected. My apologies. 2
RogerWallace111 Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) You don't need to resort to name-calling. Did you do that a lot in your marriage, too? And - with all that being said, why are rape charges so often dropped? Why is it so hard to get a rape conviction? Same thing isn't it? Her word against his? What marriage..? If you mean relationships, no, never had to because I don't date morons. And yeah, I'll gladly call morons names. And yes, I shamelessly consider anyone who actually believes in the righteousness of the government & judicial system a f*cking idiot. And I wasn't aware it was difficult to get a rape conviction. In fact, if anything, among those I know the line between rape and regrettable drunken penis acceptance seemed to be thinning. Edited July 31, 2013 by RogerWallace111 1
Drseussgrrl Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 What marriage..? If you mean relationships, no, never had to because I don't date morons. And yeah, I'll gladly call morons names. And yes, I shamelessly consider anyone who actually believes in the righteousness of the government & judicial system a f*cking idiot. And I wasn't aware it was difficult to get a rape conviction. In fact, if anything, among those I know the line between rape and regrettable drunken penis acceptance seemed to be thinning. So you were never married to the mother of your kids?
RogerWallace111 Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 You must have me mistaken for someone else. I'm childless as far as I know.
Drseussgrrl Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 "Well when I reported domestic violence, and assaults on children I went to the police armed with evidence (including photos). The results were more than I ever expected... 1) Mother denied the allegations - even to the point of talking to police of social services... SO.. 2) I was evicted from the home. 3) I was the one convicted (the Judge actually and loudly pronounced me guilty BEFORE the first evidence was heard - according to the Criminal Case Review Commission this is part of a 'fair' trail' in the 'Family' Court system) 4) I nearly lost my job 5) I was warned by social services that if I EVER reported against the mother, or other mother again they would make sure I never got out of prison. The system has been designed to protect women full stop - to hell with guilt or innocence on their part." The way this is written is very confusing, then.
TaraMaiden Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 Stand corrected. My apologies. (Just to add, I 'liked' your post, not through any self-righteousness, but because you were polite and gracious enough to 'stand corrected'. ) 1
RogerWallace111 Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 haa i just searched 'discrimination in domestic violence cases'
TaraMaiden Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 Yeah, except the OP has had other input from other people. No two cases are the same. Everyone's situation varies. 1
PlumPrincess Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 wow thats a lot. i really hope you will get better. and i think your story is a warning for us all. and i also think a person downplay their action , is telling you that they still the same and will do the same. Runnnnnnnn There's a logical flaw in this argumentation. If he was telling the truth, then he's not downplaying anything. I'm the last one to tell a woman to stay with an abusive partner, but any judgment should be based on facts. 2
PlumPrincess Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 well let start with reading what right first and then the fact that i did not say that about topic starter story but i just added thats wrong if someone do that. i think you are to enthusiastic to take his side as a abuser that you dont read well. if you want to talk about facts please have them right. I guess, your comment could be misunderstood. Sorry!
TaraMaiden Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 feeling particularly bitchy today Cherrypum? (Was that meant to be "CherrypLum, or did you misspell it deliberately, By the way? ) 1
dasein Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 The fact that he plead guilty to a FELONY domestic assault case means at the best they had evidence against him for something much worse and that was a plea deal! No... it doessn't mean that at all. What it most likely means is they told him that if he pleaded, he would do little or no jail time, whereas if he didn't he could/would do the maximum (which is a common lie prosecutors use to pressure defendants). I know many people who have taken felony deals to avoid jail and regret it later. OP the more I think about this, if you have any lawyer friends or family lawyer friends in your jurisdiction, ask them. They may be able to find more specifics. Certain areas, like mine, are felony mills today. 5% of the people in my state are on some type of probation at any given time, and LOTS of those are the furthest thing from real criminals. Please do not trust crime and court show portrayals of prosecutors and police. Entertainment does us all a huge disservice in this regard. They are not there to protect you or do the right thing. They are there to forward their own interests, grow their industry and capture more state and federal funds. And I wonder where some of the posters in this thread got their law license to make some of the ridiculously inaccurate claims being made here. 1
dasein Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 And yes, I shamelessly consider anyone who actually believes in the righteousness of the government & judicial system a f*cking idiot. Sums it up quite well.
TaraMaiden Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 Ok, this mutual friend claims she or some other third parties never saw bruises. On the face. Which is where the girl was telling everyone she'd been hit. She obviously had bruises. Even if he didn't hit her with a bat, she had enough of a bruising that it looked like it. How do you know? That's baloney. if someone doesn't really hit you, you really don't have bruises... So throw that out the window. There was enough evidence to press charges and convict him, or for him to plead guilty.Not necessarily. He may have been persuaded (as Dasein points out) to cop a plea. When I was abused, they took pictures of me at the hospital, then had me come in 3days later, and then a week later to take pictures as my bruises were deep and took time to manifest. I was unrecognizable. I am certain there were pictures of her marks, wether or not some mutual friend and school mates saw them 2 years ago is invalid. There was enough to convict him with and for him to plea too. Those are facts. Not hearsay. . No, they're not facts. They are an account of something that occurred nearly 2 years ago. You weren't there - nobody was. So all you have to go on - just like the rest of us - is what the OP has told us. Don't project your own experiences onto that of others, add 2 and 2 to make 63, and assume that simply because your situation was so damningly severe, every other situation is too. Most women want to cover their bruises. Even if they want to shame the guy that did it too them. We are too vain to walk around in shades of blue, green, purple and yellow. I spent hundreds on make up thick concealers and such to cover my face as best I could. I started matching my eye shadow to my bruise colors since it seemed cover up didnt stay as well on my eye lids. My neighbour had absolutely no qualms about walking around when her H beat her up, without a shred of make-up. When people asked her what the hell had happened - she damn well told them. So you see, while you had a dreadful experience - so did she. But you reacted in different ways. He is blame shifting to his victim. He is a disgusting person point blank. No he's not. And for you to make condemnatory remarks of that kind, is more of a reflection of how severely this has affected you, than it is on HIS behaviour. Ease up dearest - honestly, not all men are like that. 1
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