Is a racial slur made by a date a warning sign?

[Mme. Chaucer]

"Free and open questioning and challenging," is an interesting way to say "freedom to make unfounded, nasty and discriminatory statements and slurs about whole groups of people we don't like, religious people, rural people, whole populations of certain states, and especially anyone who disagrees with our dogma or any small piece of it." But make no mistake, that's -exactly- what it equates to, and that's exactly what the PC leftist thought police does daily. In essence, "your bad words bad, ours good."

 

No, it's not. It's a regular, straightforward way of saying "free and open questioning and challenging." Really.

 

Challenging the status quo has nothing to do with "unfounded, nasty and discriminatory statements and slurs bla bla bla, etc. etc. etc. into the wild blue horizon. I mean, to regular people having a discussion.

 

Just because you feel compelled to heap a gigantic avalanche of hilarious rigamarole atop a simple phrase doesn't actually have any influence upon the meaning of the simple phrase. It would help you to learn this, I think. Unless your intention is to be perceived as a silly fellow.

[pureinheart]

I fail to see the difference in racial slurs vs cussing someone out or name calling to the persons face or behind their back. As if one is better than the other, or more acceptable:confused:

 

OP- what is her over-all attitude? Is it cynical or angry?

[Mme. Chaucer]

Because there are. Statistics constantly prove it, insofar as relevant studies have been allowed to be carried out, and the data not buried or destroyed by politically-correct witch hunt groups.

 

You mean stuff like Asians are crappy drivers and black people can't swim? Awesome science. Truly, it's a shame that it's been buried or destroyed. Right.

 

Yep, anyone who doesn't believe in politically correct lies is a "racist."

 

Au contraire, sonny boy. On this thread, anyway, rejection of racism is labeled as obtuse political correctness. And racism is embraced by those of you who are decrying political correctness.

 

It's possible to not be a racist and at the same time not be a lemming for any other kind of dogma.

 

But is it possible to be a white supremacist / racist and not be a lemming for some kind of dogma?

 

So that's when I became a "racist" by your definition. When my mind started correctly processing information about the many problems of the world and their various causes, the issue of race among them, and I started seeing reality for what it is.

 

Non - racists have a different definition of the place of "the issue of race" among the problems of the world. I mean, not hinged on the judgements of one evidently pathetic white guy about the "inherent failings and shortcomings" of other races.

 

Frankly, I can't even believe that I've stumbled into a discussion with people who believe in and justify this kind of ignorance. Buh bye, supreme white men. Enjoy your bonding time together.

[gaius]

I'd probably have to stop dating Italian women if slurs mattered a whole lot to me. The vice president of the senate over there just compared their first black cabinet minister to an orangutan.

[dasein]

You seem to not understand cultural or person context in any way, shape, or form.

 

Oh no, I do, and don't need a bunch of rationalizations from you or Chaucer to gain all the understanding I need on the topic.

 

"Their words bad, our words good." Simple, clear, accurate.

 

Here are a few illustrative examples to make my position on this more clear:

 

When VP Biden says you need to speak Hindi to go in a 7-11, that's technically a racist comment. The PC Church doesn't care because he's a Progressive Democrat, and so "one of us." But it isn't a big deal to me anyway because he had no malicious intent and we all know that Indians do in fact own lots of convenience stores. Just a bad foot in mouth occasion among many for VP Biden.

 

When he characterized President Obama as (paraphrase) "a clean, attractive, well-spoken black man, imagine that," once more crickets chirp in the PC church pews because he's on the home team. But it isn't a big deal to me anyway because he had no malicious intent and was making a feeble attempt to say something nice.

 

When a half-senile Alaska senator uses the term "wetback" to very obviously describe the illegal status of his father's workers decades in the past, well, katy bar the door, ALL REPUBLICANS ARE RACISTS! But it isn't a big deal to me anyway because its very plain he had no racist intent in using what is arguably even a slur.

 

BUT When a President of the U.S. named Lyndon Johnson says before signing the second Civil Rights Act "I'll have those n-ggers voting Democrat for 200 years." That's a real, old-fashioned, Democrat, KKK style racist talking there. It reveals an inherent racist, discriminatory attitude and intent, presumes inferiority and superiority at the same time. But surprise, surprise, he gets a pass. Oh yeah, he's a member of "The Church." Go figure.

 

When Clarence Thomas is called a "house n-gger," "Uncle Tom," George Z called a "cracka," (and much worse in hundreds of tweets) well that's just fine. They aren't, after all, on the home team.

 

"Our words good, their words bad." Simple truth of what passes for "racism" in the U.S. today. Inquisition for "thought crimes" that don't amount to racism for non "church" members, free pass for real old time racism and all manner of discriminatory, "hymietown" type statements for "the Church." The case then, the case now.

 

Telling the difference between the illusion and the real doesn't take much exposure to it, far far less than I've had in my life, just common sense, of which the mob church has none while sharpening the pitchforks and heating up the tar.

[CrazyConcept]

I think most people are more racist than they give themselves credit to. What about this rather awful story?

 

Norwegian woman who reported being raped in Dubai is jailed for 16 months | Mail Online

 

Is criticizing Arabian culture for having dumb laws like that racist? If so, thank you, I'd rather be called a racist than condone rape.

[Mme. Chaucer]

The same decency as labeling white men as "insecure" if their partner has slept with a African-American?

 

I honestly do think that would signify insecurity. Why would the race of a person's past partners have any bearing upon their current relationship? The way they comported themselves in the past with their partners, the characters of the partners they chose; those would be pertinent. But the race?

 

Why?

[dasein]

I think most people are more racist than they give themselves credit to. What about this rather awful story?

 

Norwegian woman who reported being raped in Dubai is jailed for 16 months | Mail Online

 

Is criticizing Arabian culture for having dumb laws like that racist? If so, thank you, I'd rather be called a racist than condone rape.

 

The problem with comfortable blanket statements like "racism is bad," is that when they are used as political tools, or even evaluating a person to date, the term "racism" must be defined or it is meaningless. For the PC church, this is the -last- thing they want to do, because narrowing the definition in any way limits its constant, repetitive political use as a wrecking ball and divisive force towards politically favorable results for the wrecking crew.

 

Is someone walking the other way when they see a black man on the street at night a "racist" response? Yes. If it's a woman walking the other way does that modify the racist intent? Somewhat. If that woman was raped by a black man last year, further modification? Absolutely. Her response is still technically racist, but the wrongness of the intent and attitude become cloudier and cloudier.

 

Is someone who calls their roommate a "white oppressor" exhibiting racist behavior? Yes. If they said that laughing after their roommate called them a "FOB" for leaving their dirty chopsticks in the sink, is that racist? Yes, technically. Is this cause for social alarm or an Inquisition? No.

 

What if a third party overheard the "white oppressor" comment without the other part, and reported the "racist" to the University Hate Speech Committee, what result? What should be the result? Suspension? Expulsion? In PC land, it -will- be one of those.

 

By refusing to have open discussions about the realities of race and racial attitudes, the primary part of that being that we all form attitudes about the immutable characteristics of other people, based on race, nationality, profession, location of residence, culture, religion, etc., or otherwise, and instead rallying behind the simplistic mantra, "all racism bad... unless we do it," the PC mob ironically does itself a disservice. Reasonable people perceive a tempest in a teapot, inconsistency as well, and when legitimate claims of discrimination arise, the public is likely as not to hear mere wolf-crying. We are getting to that point, and the Z trial, with its massive race-baiting and carding, brings it into perspective.

 

Few posters asked OP what the nature of the slurs were and their context (he provided some, but not really enough). This just goes to show how successful the PC mob has been in terrorizing reasonable people and cowing them into silence. Several of the reactionary replies are obviously due to resentment of that because it is perceived as unfair, is unfair. Reasonable people are afraid of attempting to reasonably define what racism is and isn't in all sorts of scenarios, not just dating, because they don't want the mob, pitchforks and tar, with its simplistic, politicized mantra, to set up shop at their door.

Edited July 23, 2013 by dasein

[GorillaTheater]

Race wars aside for the moment, yes, it should be a warning sign.

[kaylan]

Do you honestly think that it would signify insecurity only because the statement pertained to whites being insecure? The person who said that basically claimed she thinks white males feel inadequate if their partner had dated an African American (basically referring to copulation).

The thread youre referencing does not label whites as the only people being insecure. The same way said of black women and asian men, and pretty much anyone who takes too much issue with the race of person someone has dated in the past.

Let me ask if you would label someone a racist if they said this:

 

I think (for the most part) blacks are insecure when they are compared to whites in a academic environment.

Why would this be racist? Im sure you know that there are studies which show this to be true, and that many black children score higher on tests when they dont think they are being given the same tests as white children. Considering our society, and our societies history, I can see why many black children feel insecure about their academic capabilities and potential.

 

The same thing has been shown to occur in girls when comparing their test scores to boys. The scores even out once the girls feel like they can compete with boys.

 

All these testers had to do was say one little sentence before giving the test...ie... "X group of people scores better than Y group" and itd change the test outcome and make X group score less. Remove such a statement and the scores would normalize.

Edited July 23, 2013 by kaylan

[Robert]

Moderator here... bring this thread back on topic please.

[soccerrprp]

Yikes! Been away for a few days and people are over-exaggerating both sides of the debate. No wonder we (USA) can't have a healthy discussion about race in this country.

 

OP, again, if it bothers you, find out what her feelings on race is. Listen carefully. Bigots like to veil racist attitudes with the illusion of legit political/social "opinions."

[bluegreen]

I think that worst think we can do for our self's is to ignore doubts when we have them.

He was rightly bothered by ugliness that came out of her mouth alarm sounded he came here.

People like her will always be cowards twist things to their own benefit and slink and crawl around "in dangerous" situations like jobs churches or some certain social settings.

 

 

 

He knows what's up he just needs to listen to his gut not even us HIS GUT

Will He ?

[Mme. Chaucer]

Do you honestly think that it would signify insecurity only because the statement pertained to whites being insecure? The person who said that basically claimed she thinks white males feel inadequate if their partner had dated an African American (basically referring to copulation).

 

Let me ask if you would label someone a racist if they said this:

 

I think (for the most part) blacks are insecure when they are compared to whites in a academic environment.

 

I can't quite wrap my mind around your train of thought. I don't know who said what exactly, but I stand by my opinion: I would perceive it to be a sign of insecurity if a man was upset if a woman had sex with a black guy in her past.

 

If said guy was okay with her having any sex at all in her past, why would the race of the people matter?

[ChessPieceFace]

If said guy was okay with her having any sex at all in her past, why would the race of the people matter?

 

Quite a lot of valid reasons which you would undoubtedly disagree with. And which are pointless to list. The people that have their heads on straight would already know them. The people that live in idealistic fantasies won't ever understand them.

 

And to address the OP with a new perspective:

 

As I've said (and as has been ignored) I don't make or agree with racial slurs for several reasons. Even if a majority of a race lives up to their negative stereotype, there are always worthwhile people of any race, and any racial slur will offend the good people as well as the bad. Second, using racial slurs when you think you can comfortably get away with them can undoubtedly lead to using them at the wrong time, around the wrong person, and lead to serious problems, especially in the PC witch hunt country we live in today. Third, a person who ignores the first 2 considerations is likely a person who is careless, crude and insensitive.

 

So yeah, it would be at least a red flag / strike against someone if they used a racial slur. It's not something I would tolerate a GF doing, regardless of whether I agreed with the reasons they used it, or shared their negative opinion of a given race.

Edited July 25, 2013 by ChessPieceFace