dasein Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 Its funny how the anti racism crowd has no problem dropping a redneck bomb while criticizing alleged racism. Hypocrisy much? It's a hallmark of the modern PC Church that they freely practice the things they claim to abhor, just on "safe" targets, Christians and other religious people, white men, businesspeople, age gap couples, those who dare to offer objection to their particular dogma, etc., our entertainment is full of this "safe" type of discrimination with no condemnation whatsoever. This board is full of such. Like all "good and evil" mob movements throughout history, including several religious movements, they focus unduly on heresies of word and thought over actual deeds. This allows them to exaggerate the occurence of the focus of their various inquisitions and crusades and maintain relevance long after they are culturally irrelevant. They are no different than the previously persecuted Christian clergy post Constantine. After Constantine made Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire, they rushed right out to perpetrate far more heinous acts on "pagans and heretics" than was ever visited on them. Today's PC mob is no different, regardless of the crusade du jour. And mobs have no need of internal consistency, so of course do not accept or even understand the irony of their hypocrisy. Have never dated a truly racist person. Have dated several who used slurs and epithets, tell jokes on occasion, mostly for shock value or to appear rebellious. I don't really care until I see them advocating truly bad or discriminatory acts. Regardless of the mob church's efforts to vilify and criminalize such thought heresies, they are small potatoes in a world with lots of real problems.
lino Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 I wouldn't get involved with a racist woman, don't have time for that stuff.
ChessPieceFace Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 What does "true honesty about race" mean? Pointing out differences, failings or shortcomings inherent to any of the protected races. Admitting that problems inherent to the protected races even exist. Admitting that reality exists, as opposed to politically-correct garbage. The protected races are basically any race other than white or anyone that looks white. It's "politically correct" to slander whites and those perceived as white. It's even politically correct to label a mixed-race individual as white so you can ruin his life in the media & court system. (Zimmerman.) Even this cleansed, tiptoeing description will probably be deleted due to politically-correct witch hunting. 1
bluegreen Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Explain why blacks often call each other ni**er then? Do they not respect each other? DO they not feel equal? Are they into disrespect and dehumanizing? It either works both ways or it doesn't. There isn't a cop out I will accept for an explanation so don't waste your time unless you agree 100%. If you really want equality (you don't) then everythings equal, hence the word Why do you even care ? This is like if someone jumps of the roof its OK if I do it to theory. Of all the quality intellectual behavior from other people or races you choose this to be OK to copy :rolleyes: ?
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 It's a hallmark of the modern PC Church that they freely practice the things they claim to abhor, just on "safe" targets, Christians and other religious people, white men, businesspeople, age gap couples, those who dare to offer objection to their particular dogma, etc., our entertainment is full of this "safe" type of discrimination with no condemnation whatsoever. This board is full of such. It seems that you don't understand that there actually has been an evolution away from the acceptance of racism and sexism which also includes free and open questioning and challenging of the former power establishment in western cultures. Which, if simplified, can be described as white christian businessmen. I have nothing against white christian businessmen in general. I count some among my friends, family and former schoolmates. (Well, some of them are Jewish, so I'm not sure those guys count.) I use the professional services of several. I'm glad, however, that you fellows have as good a chance of occupying the back of the bus as anybody else these days. :bunny: Just being a white christian businessman doesn't really get a guy very far anymore, does it. Diversity and competition are positive, and it's also illuminating for any of us, especially the privileged, to gain new perspectives through experience. You're gonna have to WERK, brah! My loathing of racism, sexism and bigotry doesn't come from any kind of "PC" place. It's just regular old disgust. My personal disgust is not a part of any "mob," either. Honest. Like all "good and evil" mob movements throughout history, including several religious movements, they focus unduly on heresies of word and thought over actual deeds. This allows them to exaggerate the occurence of the focus of their various inquisitions and crusades and maintain relevance long after they are culturally irrelevant. They are no different than the previously persecuted Christian clergy post Constantine. After Constantine made Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire, they rushed right out to perpetrate far more heinous acts on "pagans and heretics" than was ever visited on them. Today's PC mob is no different, regardless of the crusade du jour. And mobs have no need of internal consistency, so of course do not accept or even understand the irony of their hypocrisy. Have never dated a truly racist person. Have dated several who used slurs and epithets, tell jokes on occasion, mostly for shock value or to appear rebellious. I don't really care until I see them advocating truly bad or discriminatory acts. Regardless of the mob church's efforts to vilify and criminalize such thought heresies, they are small potatoes in a world with lots of real problems. What a bloated diatribe. Why not cut out the excess verbiage. All that blather about the heinous mob church villains is ridiculous. I mean, I literally laughed. Bottom line: What I got once I strained through all of that high-fallutin' language is that you don't believe that anyone who has a problem with racism (and a lot of other things) is coming from a genuine place. Basically, you're A-Okay with racism until somebody does or "advocates" something "truly bad." (I wonder what that means from the perspective of a guy like you? Scary.) Right? I have a general tip. If a person would like to be taken seriously at all in a discussion such as this one, it would be a good idea for them to express their opinions as … their opinions. All the pompous pontificating one can muster won't make them anything different. 1
Star Gazer Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Says the woman who mixed up nationality, race, and ethnicity in another thread . I couldnt help but bite on that one. No, I didn't. Mexican isn't a race. It's a nationality, and for many also an ethnic group.
kaylan Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Explain why blacks often call each other ni**er then? Do they not respect each other? DO they not feel equal? Are they into disrespect and dehumanizing? If a black person calls another black person a Nigger, its considered disrespect and a possibly will lead to bad blood between two people. If a black person calls another black person a Nigga, they are using it the same way people use the word Dude or Guy. Theres a difference between the two pronunciations and spellings. This is why whites and other non blacks whove grown up around black people, and understand black people, can sometimes say Nigga, and it be no big deal. Its different when a stranger does it. Especially with the historical context of the word. Its like if I as a man, call some woman I dont know a bitch. I cant expect that to be ok just because she and her girlfriends sometimes playfully call each other bitches. Theres a different context and set of feelings that will come about due to my being a man, the history of the word, and my relationship to the person Im using the word to refer to. It either works both ways or it doesn't. There isn't a cop out I will accept for an explanation so don't waste your time unless you agree 100%. If you really want equality (you don't) then everythings equal, hence the wordDont waste your time asking a question if youve made up in your mind that you not accept any answers. Get out of the thread and go kick rocks then buddy. Things like this dont work the same way, whether you like it or not. Its the same reason why two guy bros can rip on each other and call one another a motherfvker, yet I couldnt come up to them and try and join in unless I had a personal friendship with them, or some sort of cultural understanding. Why the fvk do white people, especially white men, make sure a big stink over the N word? Theres not much to understand here. Unless you are a part of the black culture in some way, you shouldnt be saying it to anyone. 2
Star Gazer Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 I feel like the N word is so offensive I can't even bring myself to say it out loud, or type it. Not even the version that ends with "-a." 1
kaylan Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 I feel like the N word is so offensive I can't even bring myself to say it out loud, or type it. Not even the version that ends with "-a." I see no problem with anyone saying or typing it if they are merely having a discussion about the word. Its not like you are using it to refer to anyone. No, I didn't. Mexican isn't a race. It's a nationality, and for many also an ethnic group. Lol, do I need to quote you from that other thread to show where you clearly mixed things up? Oh nvm. Have it your way. Id rather let the Mexican thing lay to rest.
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Explain why blacks often call each other ni**er then? Do they not respect each other? DO they not feel equal? Are they into disrespect and dehumanizing? It either works both ways or it doesn't. There isn't a cop out I will accept for an explanation so don't waste your time unless you agree 100%. If you really want equality (you don't) then everythings equal, hence the word You don't think anyone should rebut or challenge you? Only engage if we agree 100%? What about the concept of discussion? What you posted is not true. It's socially acceptable for people amongst a racial, religious, socio-economic, gender, or whatever group to use epithets amongst themselves that would NOT be acceptable when used in reference to them by people outside that group. Gay guys can say fag all day long, girls can call each other bitch, and black people can call each other the N word if they want to; that does not make it ok for ME to call a gay guy a fag, a black person a n*****, etc. I KNOW you know this is true. It's simply a social norm. It's kind of like the way you can talk sh** about your own mom but if somebody else does it you clock them. And, yes. It would probably be better if people amongst themselves chose not to use the denigrating epithets. Maybe society would evolve faster. It would also be better if people never talked sh** about their moms. Whatever. It's really not OK to use racial slurs AGAINST PEOPLE DIFFERENT THAN YOU. Label that lam-o political correctness or whatever, it's still really not OK and we, as a society, should be well beyond doing it by now. It's kind of demoralizing to read how so many of you are justifying it. To the OP - I would not take a racial slur made by someone I was dating as a "red flag." I would take it as a signal to abort the mission.
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Pointing out differences, failings or shortcomings inherent to any of the protected races. Where would a person be coming from to feel that it was their place to "point out differences, failings or shortcomings inherent" to other races? Who are YOU to point these out? Why would you? Why do you even think that there are "inherent" failings or shortcomings that are attributable to RACE? Sounds racist. And it also is a pretty clear pattern that folks who love to hold onto their tired old ignorant racist ways LOVE to claim that others who don't go that route are some kind of defective PC zombies. Because we don't embrace racism. Don't get it. But carry on with pointing out the failings and shortcomings of the other races, by all means, since it's so dear to you to do so. 1
ThaWholigan Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) Ahhhh. I love race threads Generally, a racial slur by someone is not going to endear me to them - depending on the context. I have actually flinched before when I've heard white friends say "n*gga", like "dude, wtf?" I don't encounter too many people who use it unless they are racist. Some of the tame things people do aren't that racist really so it doesn't bother me. I consider racism to be damaging when it actively prevents one group of people from doing something for whatever reason. In that sense, the damage was done years ago - anything else now is childs play. A slur is not going to upset me too much - however, it will give me ideas of mind games to play Edited July 23, 2013 by ThaWholigan 2
MrNate 2.0 Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Ahhhh. I love race threads Generally, a racial slur by someone is not going to endear me to them - depending on the context. I have actually flinched before when I've heard white friends say "n*gga", like "dude, wtf?" I don't encounter too many people who use it unless they are racist. Some of the tame things people do aren't that racist really so it doesn't bother me. I consider racism to be damaging when it actively prevents one group of people from doing something for whatever reason. In that sense, the damage was done years ago - anything else now is childs play. A slur is not going to upset me too much - however, it will give me ideas of mind games to play Yep. I'm apart of the minority in the good ole' USA. In the deep south at that. Needless to say I've had my fair share of ignorant people. I would never date anyone who used racial slurs. Anyone who holds hate against an entire race is worse than scum. 4
dasein Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 It seems that you don't understand that there actually has been an evolution away from the acceptance of racism and sexism which also includes free and open questioning and challenging of the former power establishment in western cultures. Which, if simplified, can be described as white christian businessmen. "Free and open questioning and challenging," is an interesting way to say "freedom to make unfounded, nasty and discriminatory statements and slurs about whole groups of people we don't like, religious people, rural people, whole populations of certain states, and especially anyone who disagrees with our dogma or any small piece of it." But make no mistake, that's -exactly- what it equates to, and that's exactly what the PC leftist thought police does daily. In essence, "your bad words bad, ours good." Just ask any black or female Republican politician for examples. I'm glad, however, that you fellows have as good a chance of occupying the back of the bus as anybody else these days. Haven't ridden a bus since a trip to Atlantic City 15 years ago, but if I ever have to ride one again, will be sure to let you know where I sit. In the meantime, I'll just keep tossing shiny dimes out to the peasants through the limo window and making dollar bets with the other members of "The Evil White Man Club" on how long it will take the "Negro Dupe" to implode and nephew Winthorp to climb back to his natural ascendant position of dominion. It was funny in a movie, not in a hundred repetitive, tired variations every day of the world. But the mob doesn't require much originality, does it? and drools and claps at the same tired themes over and over, as long as they aren't the "your words bad" type of themes. Those are SERIOUS BUSINESS. My personal disgust is not a part of any "mob," either. Honest. Another interesting characteristic of the mobs that rule today is that they don't have the basic grasp of history or general perspective necessary to self-identify. No mob member ever looks around and says, "Hey we are just a bunch of peasants with pitchforks trying to burn people at the stake for things we do every day! Go us!" What a bloated diatribe. Why not cut out the excess verbiage. Sweet, sweet irony. What I got once I strained through all of that high-fallutin' language Sorry for all the difficult words like "heresy," and "discriminatory." "Constantine" was the Roman Emperor, not the Keanu Reeves movie, btw, in case that was also confusing. Basically, you're A-Okay with racism until somebody does or "advocates" something "truly bad." (I wonder what that means from the perspective of a guy like you? Scary.) Right? No. I've heard so many jokes, slurs, epithets directed in every possible direction in life, self-referential, directed at friends, etc., that, unlike the PC mob, I have learned to distinguish banter from "racism," and to ignore it until it becomes repetitively boring or results in real discriminatory acts or attitudes. It usually become boring very quickly, hardly ever contains any meaningful "wrong" though, in terms of intent and attitude. Was very clear in that, and in assessing the PC mob church's focus on "speech heresies" as a desperate way to maintain relevance and fan the burnt out fires of past crusades, but thanks for the expected opportunity to use the term "strawman" yet again when replying to one of your posts. I have a general tip. If a person would like to be taken seriously at all in a discussion such as this one, it would be a good idea for them to express their opinions as … their opinions. All the pompous pontificating one can muster won't make them anything different. I have a general tip. If a person posts to a forum such as this, and is not quoting someone else, it's generally safe to conclude that they are expressing their opinion without any further stick man pictures, crayon drawings, cave paintings, pop up books, etc., to designate that they are, in fact, stating their opinion. But just in case... THE ABOVE POST AND MY PRIOR POSTS ARE EXPRESSIONS OF MY OPINION. 1
ChessPieceFace Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Where would a person be coming from to feel that it was their place to "point out differences, failings or shortcomings inherent" to other races? From a standpoint of knowing more than others on a topic and communicating that knowledge. Same as any other topic. Who are YOU to point these out? A genius whose mind functions correctly, unlike the majority of humans. Why would you? I wouldn't, because of reactions like yours. Why do you even think that there are "inherent" failings or shortcomings that are attributable to RACE? Because there are. Statistics constantly prove it, insofar as relevant studies have been allowed to be carried out, and the data not buried or destroyed by politically-correct witch hunt groups. Sounds racist. Yep, anyone who doesn't believe in politically correct lies is a "racist." And it also is a pretty clear pattern that folks who love to hold onto their tired old ignorant racist ways "tired, old and ignorant" - except I grew up around a very NON racist family, and in my youth, adolescence and early adulthood believed the same lies & idealism you believe about absolute racial equality. Which, I might add, is perfectly fine for a child. Later when I finally woke up and started really learning things about the world, I made many judgment calls based on logic and reason. Not influenced by others. Not mired in anyone's dogma or prejudice. So that's when I became a "racist" by your definition. When my mind started correctly processing information about the many problems of the world and their various causes, the issue of race among them, and I started seeing reality for what it is. carry on with pointing out the failings and shortcomings of the other races, by all means, since it's so dear to you to do so. You know very well I can't point out any failings or shortcomings, because political correctness defines what speech is and isn't protected. What races are and aren't protected. What religions are and aren't protected. Of course if I wanted to bash white males like myself, I could probably get away with it 90%+ of the time. 2
ascendotum Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 I agree that it depends on your values. Never change your values for anyone. Me personally I would see it as a red flag but I would still proceed...with caution. This is my view OP. Also being culturally sensitive when dealing direct with a person of different ethnicity or in formal situations does not redeem them in my eyes. It just makes them more of a phoney, of course I totally understand why people are two faced in that regard. I have some friends who are racist though more 'for shock value or to appear rebellious' (daesin) rather than any deep seated contempt, so I it would be a bit hypocritical for me to write off a prospective gf on the same count. It would put me off her a little though. So what have you decided? It should be based on your values, not ours. 1
kaylan Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Lmao...you know people are idiots when they call common decency being "PC". I guess racism is A-ok to these folks. They actually dont consider any kind of racial disrespect racism it seems. 2
MrNate 2.0 Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Ok, is it only race? Like she's driving and a black woman nearly slams into her and she says "fing n*****" If it were an obese woman would she say something to elude to here weight? Or a blond, or elderly..etc I think it all depends. Some people need to find the worst possible word to describe someone when they are angry. I wouldn't say it means she is racist,she could possibly hate everyone equally if they anger her. In other instances does she distinguish between colour or race? That's what would bother me, if it were just a blurt out under your breath while angered and she is just telling them off to herself ok, but if she actually feels that way and treats people of differing ethnicities badly it would definitely be a deal breaker for me. Will disagree here. It is 100% possible to be extremely angry at someone and have your worst possible word to describe them not be a racially charged one. If someone angers me, I don't call them a racially charged word. Because there is no need for that. Nor is it in my character to use such slurs under any circumstance. 2
Star Gazer Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Will disagree here. It is 100% possible to be extremely angry at someone and have your worst possible word to describe them not be a racially charged one. If someone angers me, I don't call them a racially charged word. Because there is no need for that. Nor is it in my character to use such slurs under any circumstance. Totally agree. I have plenty of evil words to use that aren't racially charged. 1
dasein Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Lmao...you know people are idiots when they call common decency being "PC". I guess racism is A-ok to these folks. They actually dont consider any kind of racial disrespect racism it seems. From the poster who just posted on the difference between "a" and "er" on the end of a slur, why one is ok and one not, that's a very interesting position.
MrNate 2.0 Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Totally agree. I have plenty of evil words to use that aren't racially charged. You and me both.
kaylan Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 From the poster who just posted on the difference between "a" and "er" on the end of a slur, why one is ok and one not, that's a very interesting position. Did you not understand it? Seems so. Maybe you should reread the post.
dasein Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Did you not understand it? Seems so. Maybe you should reread the post. I understand all too well, "our slur good, their slur bad." Doesn't seem like folks who hold that type of position have any traction in claiming that other people fail in the "common decency" department, does it?
kaylan Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 I understand all too well, "our slur good, their slur bad." Doesn't seem like folks who hold that type of position have any traction in claiming that other people fail in the "common decency" department, does it? Read this again, since you have trouble understanding. You seem to not understand cultural or person context in any way, shape, or form. You don't think anyone should rebut or challenge you? Only engage if we agree 100%? What about the concept of discussion? What you posted is not true. It's socially acceptable for people amongst a racial, religious, socio-economic, gender, or whatever group to use epithets amongst themselves that would NOT be acceptable when used in reference to them by people outside that group. Gay guys can say fag all day long, girls can call each other bitch, and black people can call each other the N word if they want to; that does not make it ok for ME to call a gay guy a fag, a black person a n*****, etc. I KNOW you know this is true. It's simply a social norm. It's kind of like the way you can talk sh** about your own mom but if somebody else does it you clock them. And, yes. It would probably be better if people amongst themselves chose not to use the denigrating epithets. Maybe society would evolve faster. It would also be better if people never talked sh** about their moms. Whatever. It's really not OK to use racial slurs AGAINST PEOPLE DIFFERENT THAN YOU. Label that lam-o political correctness or whatever, it's still really not OK and we, as a society, should be well beyond doing it by now. It's kind of demoralizing to read how so many of you are justifying it. To the OP - I would not take a racial slur made by someone I was dating as a "red flag." I would take it as a signal to abort the mission.
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