tomtucker Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 Ive never understood this logic or seen it work..ive been ignoring and not approaching random women the majority of my 33 years and all its gotten me is them ignoring me as well The logic is to approach and focus your attention on the less attractive friend to make the hotter one jealous. It's a common old school PUA tactic. What I've found to work better is working the room. Talk to everybody. Girls will get jealous of other girls and will see you as higher value (if you work the room the right way, it looks like you know everybody there). Of course, some girls won't care, but enough will to make it fun and worth it.
xxoo Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 Not IME. Desirable men have women pursuing them. The one who doesn't, her loss since there's others beating her to the punch. I wouldn't waste a moment worrying over the fate of the beautiful women you pass over
Author Southern Cal Dude Posted July 20, 2013 Author Posted July 20, 2013 I wouldn't waste a moment worrying over the fate of the beautiful women you pass over Don't worry. I don't.
ThaWholigan Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 Yup. Anything to make you feel like you have power and control over someone else. Also cute to ignore the fact that lots of people act plenty cold to deliberately keep people away. Somehow if you don't grace every person who crosses your path with a smile, flirtation, and giggly conversation, you're an entitled spoiled princess. How sweet. Yeah. Oversaturated by extroversion it seems A girls beauty doesn't always have an influence on her perceived lack of social etiquette. 1
kaylan Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 I don't disagree with the gender traits being stupid, but it is what it is. And I've never supported PUA and have denounced it in other threads. You're thinking of Pompeii. Reread what I said. I said the things you say are similar to guys on those forums. You may not support PUA, but you sure sound like one of their forum posters a good bit of the time in my opinion. 1
TheBigQuestion Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 Reread what I said. I said the things you say are similar to guys on those forums. You may not support PUA, but you sure sound like one of their forum posters a good bit of the time in my opinion. So what? The OP has not insulted or provoked you or anyone else in this thread. He has his set of ideas that are worthy of discussion (even if I don't actually agree with them in substance; I've seen too much variation to really make any generalizations), without the need for you or anyone else to try to discredit him because he supposedly acts like a member of a group of people you find undesirable. Also (directed at the whole thread, not you), any attempts to paint this thread as some sort of implication against women as a gender is dramatic, paranoid, and inaccurate. People have already made the factual mistake of thinking the OP described all pretty women as ice queens, when in reality he was only talking about two of his co-workers and made this explicit early on in the thread. They're seeing what they want to see in this thread rather than understanding what it actually contains and implies. The way some posters have acted in this thread is just a re-tread of a tired old LoveShack cliche: "let's try to paint anyone who has anything remotely negative to say about any group of women on planet earth ever a misogynist; that ought to shut them up." Guess what? The OP hasn't communicated that he hates women, mistrusts women, or that he wishes harm on them in any way, shape, or form, as badly as you wish he did so you could have yet another opportunity to grandstand about how supposedly anti-female the social climate is on LoveShack. 2
kaylan Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) I never said he insulted anyone. I said he makes a lot of lame baseless assertions akin to the PUA type of guy....ie...a guy who thinks he knows what hes talking about, but misses the mark a lot. The fact that hes acting like he knows how most attractive women behave is funny to me. And him trying to label some womans behaviors as masculine, yet disagree when his own behavior is labeled as feminine. He misses the point completely of when I say trait labels are subjective and that his assessment is wrong in the eyes of many, if not most. This is just another typical thread of a someone trying to put down a good looking person, and then bashing their character traits and label those traits as belonging to the other gender. Its no different than when women create threads saying a guy needs to "be a man". Nor is it different from the numerous times we have seen other guys here bash girls as not being feminine enough for them. Edited July 20, 2013 by kaylan 1
KathyM Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Your point wasn't proven at all. They missed the ball, not me. There's plenty of others who won't passively sit back and they don't necessarily rank lower in looks either. By your own description, the two hottest ones were aloof and did not approach you. But if you want to sit back and go with the women who do approach you, no problem. Why play games to get the hottest women to want you? Do you not have enough confidence to approach them, so you have to play games to trick them into being interested in you? Apparently you do not think highly enough of yourself to use the direct approach.
Author Southern Cal Dude Posted July 21, 2013 Author Posted July 21, 2013 By your own description, the two hottest ones were aloof and did not approach you. But if you want to sit back and go with the women who do approach you, no problem. Why play games to get the hottest women to want you? Do you not have enough confidence to approach them, so you have to play games to trick them into being interested in you? Apparently you do not think highly enough of yourself to use the direct approach. Then I guess most women lack confidence then, going by your logic. There's no games involved. You only think that because I hold the cards.
KathyM Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Then I guess most women lack confidence then, going by your logic. There's no games involved. You only think that because I hold the cards. And what cards is that? You didn't pursue them, therefore, you didn't get them. If you're expecting women to be the pursuers, then you will be limited to those who are willing to pursue. You might miss out on a lot of nice women if you are unwilling to pursue, but your choice, whatever. Apparently, waiting for women to pursue you is good enough for you.
Author Southern Cal Dude Posted July 21, 2013 Author Posted July 21, 2013 And what cards is that? You didn't pursue them, therefore, you didn't get them. If you're expecting women to be the pursuers, then you will be limited to those who are willing to pursue. You might miss out on a lot of nice women if you are unwilling to pursue, but your choice, whatever. Apparently, waiting for women to pursue you is good enough for you. Who said I'm not getting them? And even if I'm not, it's not my loss. If you're going to put this on me, then you need to do the same with women who don't pursue.
KathyM Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Who said I'm not getting them? And even if I'm not, it's not my loss. If you're going to put this on me, then you need to do the same with women who don't pursue. Most men are willing to pursue. If you think you need to use dumb tricks to get a woman to like you, such as ignoring them or negging them, then that shows you have no confidence in yourself or your ability to attract women without using dumb tricks. Women generally date who they are attracted to. Using some dumb tricks may work on some women who have insecurity issues, but it's not going to change your level of attractiveness to most.
TheBigQuestion Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Most men are willing to pursue. If you think you need to use dumb tricks to get a woman to like you, such as ignoring them or negging them, then that shows you have no confidence in yourself or your ability to attract women without using dumb tricks. Women generally date who they are attracted to. Using some dumb tricks may work on some women who have insecurity issues, but it's not going to change your level of attractiveness to most. How is ignoring (or, more accurately, not giving undue attention) a "trick?" By doing so, he's not actively doing anything other than going about his day as he normally would. And why do you keep mentioning negging? I don't think anyone in this thread has advocated its use, yet you're not the first poster to bring it up, nor are you the first to assert that the OP engages in that behavior. What gives?
Author Southern Cal Dude Posted July 21, 2013 Author Posted July 21, 2013 Most men are willing to pursue. If you think you need to use dumb tricks to get a woman to like you, such as ignoring them or negging them, then that shows you have no confidence in yourself or your ability to attract women without using dumb tricks. Women generally date who they are attracted to. Using some dumb tricks may work on some women who have insecurity issues, but it's not going to change your level of attractiveness to most. Most men pursue because they have to, not because they want to. If men ignoring women is a game, then I guess it's a game when women ignore most men. Your posts are full of inconsistencies and double standards I don't know where to begin. I'm sorry if you don't like the fact I can sit back and wait for women to pursue like the average woman does with men, but that's life. Some of us were blessed with looks, some with the ability to make others laugh effortlessly, some have a freakish talent. Life isn't fair. If you were blessed with something, you'd be stupid not to maximize it to your advantage. Not all guys need to pursue and many women pursue themselves. 1
KathyM Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 How is ignoring (or, more accurately, not giving undue attention) a "trick?" By doing so, he's not actively doing anything other than going about his day as he normally would. And why do you keep mentioning negging? I don't think anyone in this thread has advocated its use, yet you're not the first poster to bring it up, nor are you the first to assert that the OP engages in that behavior. What gives? If he is purposely ignoring them, and using that game as a means to try to attract them, then that is a PUA trick. So is negging. It is playing on the woman's insecurities, and purposely manipulating them. Maybe the OP is not into PUA tactics, but from what he wrote in his opening post, it came across, to me anyway, that he is using his ignoring as a strategy to generate interest. Perhaps he had some other point with this thread, but it came across to me that he was advocating ignoring the prettiest girls in order to generate attraction. Or maybe he was just making an observation, rather than advocating anything. I'm just saying if he is interested in someone, he should have the confidence to approach.
KathyM Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Most men pursue because they have to, not because they want to. If men ignoring women is a game, then I guess it's a game when women ignore most men. Your posts are full of inconsistencies and double standards I don't know where to begin. I'm sorry if you don't like the fact I can sit back and wait for women to pursue like the average woman does with men, but that's life. Some of us were blessed with looks, some with the ability to make others laugh effortlessly, some have a freakish talent. Life isn't fair. If you were blessed with something, you'd be stupid not to maximize it to your advantage. Not all guys need to pursue and many women pursue themselves.Hey, if you're happy with the results of waiting for women to pursue you, I don't have a problem with it.
Author Southern Cal Dude Posted July 21, 2013 Author Posted July 21, 2013 If he is purposely ignoring them, and using that game as a means to try to attract them, then that is a PUA trick. So is negging. It is playing on the woman's insecurities, and purposely manipulating them. Maybe the OP is not into PUA tactics, but from what he wrote in his opening post, it came across, to me anyway, that he is using his ignoring as a strategy to generate interest. Perhaps he had some other point with this thread, but it came across to me that he was advocating ignoring the prettiest girls in order to generate attraction. Or maybe he was just making an observation, rather than advocating anything. I'm just saying if he is interested in someone, he should have the confidence to approach. I treated them the same way they treated me. If they spoke to me, then I'd gladly return the favor. I treat people the same way they treat me. Respect gets returned. Ignoring gets the same. And ignoring is not negging. A neg is a backhanded compliment, a borderline insult. My thread was to get opinions and input. My experience is the best looking ones ignore, whether it's out of insecurity or manipulation. That's up for debate. And women should have the confidence to approach men. Many do, but many don't.
Pompeii Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Women have no problem approaching men they're interested in. This. I've seen girls people describe as "shy" and "introverted" gather up enough "courage" or whatever to approach whatever guy they find desirable. If a girl wants you bad enough, she'll find a way to make it happen. 1
Pompeii Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) That's a little harsh. But I think the problem is people are conditioned that strangers are weird creeps who are going to rape you in alleyways. Perhaps there's something in the water and food, I don't know. I've noticed foreigners are much more open and friendly, men and women alike. Yeah, last time I went to Europe was in 2010. So much better climate over there. I can't wait for my study abroad trip in September. Oh, didn't you hear? Extroversion is definitely feminine because broads talk all the time and don't know when to shut up and they're always giggling at stupid things and they all want attention 24/7 and they can't control themselves or their emotions. Men, on the other hand, are all stoic and laconic like Clint Eastwood and are so smart and logical and well put together that they only need to say one word for every 5,000 that a woman uses. It's science, man. In general, men don't talk as much as women do and when they do it tends to lean more in a serious direction. At a get together I was at the other night, a group of guys and I were talking hard philosophy for about an hour. The girls were talking about... celebrities and hooking up sigh guys. Women and men are generally socialized differently and women are discouraged from talking about serious or weighty subject matter. Edited July 21, 2013 by Pompeii 1
charlietheginger Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Alot of it has to do with birth order...... A women that was only child is used to getting All the attention and things they want. Most Grow up and just become a older version on Their childhood. A women that has sisters or brothers usually Learns how to share and knows she cant always Be the princess . Her childhood probably including Sharing toys,sharing clothes,sharing the spotlight With her brother or sisters A women born to a poor family is usually greatfull to Have roof over her head and bills paid A women born to a rich family usually has entitlement Issues feeling she is entitled to the best of the best And men should takecare of her Hence the song " if her daddys rich take her out to a meal If her daddys poor just do what you feel"
Pompeii Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 I don't disagree with the gender traits being stupid, but it is what it is. And I've never supported PUA and have denounced it in other threads. You're thinking of Pompeii. Lol, what the **** are you talking about. I have always been against PUA ever since I learned about its existence when I started college. If you're going to start saying bull****, at least get your facts straight.
MrTurk Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 I'm not sure why this is, but I found that ignoring the hottest girls gets their attention. I'm not referring to the moderately pretty, but rather the top of the line. This kind of worked for me one time. And I didnt purposely ignore the girls for this reason, I simply did not drool all over her like the other guys did. I was in my mid 20's, and this girl was around 19 or 20. Totally beautiful, and just the right amount of that sly, sarcastic sex appeal. She worked in one of the sales areas, and other guys and myself would have to do rounds to check product at closing. The other guys would hang out and talk to her for 20 mins or so, I would say hello, do my job, say see ya later, and move on. After a month or so of this...curiosity killed the cat....she stopped me and asked how come I never talk to her....how come I leave so quick. I ended up getting her number, and we talked on the phone a few times, went to lunch at work a few times, but never went on a date. I dont know if she was being honest, but she ended up saying she had a boyfriend and decided to stay with him. Or I am wondering if she was used to guys making moves on her quickly....and my pace turned her off.
Woggle Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Alot of it has to do with birth order...... A women that was only child is used to getting All the attention and things they want. Most Grow up and just become a older version on Their childhood. A women that has sisters or brothers usually Learns how to share and knows she cant always Be the princess . Her childhood probably including Sharing toys,sharing clothes,sharing the spotlight With her brother or sisters A women born to a poor family is usually greatfull to Have roof over her head and bills paid A women born to a rich family usually has entitlement Issues feeling she is entitled to the best of the best And men should takecare of her Hence the song " if her daddys rich take her out to a meal If her daddys poor just do what you feel" These are traits that happen with both genders.
SJC2008 Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 OP in what context are you using "pursued"? Meaning they show initial interest and you take the lead or are they strait up asking you for your # and asking you out? I.E. courting you? If it's the latter I've been pursued a few times (by older women). I met a nice Italian woman (customer) at my job before and she gave me her phone number and I called her and we went out. That same week another woman said we should go do xyz that we were talking about. A few months ago at a bar I made eye contact with a woman and smiled at her and a few mintues later she came up to me and my friend and she introduced herself to us (she said I didn't show interest thread).
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