therhythm Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Firing them is good fun. I own a shotgun, I quite like shooting things I guess different people different tastes... I do martial arts so I guess it can be equivalent to the energy release when you are shooting something (besides the physical part of course) and I can get to imagine how that can be fun but not my thing really... 1
Emilia Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 I guess different people different tastes... I do martial arts so I guess it can be equivalent to the energy release when you are shooting something (besides the physical part of course) and I can get to imagine how that can be fun but not my thing really... I wouldn't say energy release. It's quite hard to shoot moving targets and it's a thrill when you get better at it. A lot of my friends are from the country and they go hunting every season. I haven't been for years but it's the hunt itself that's really exciting. Some of them stalk deer, that kind of thing.
therhythm Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 I wouldn't say energy release. It's quite hard to shoot moving targets and it's a thrill when you get better at it. A lot of my friends are from the country and they go hunting every season. I haven't been for years but it's the hunt itself that's really exciting. Some of them stalk deer, that kind of thing. Well, I am kind of a natural friendly guy... I can't understand killing animals just for fun. It saddens me to think that people can enjoy taking a life of an animal I could imagine people enjoying shooting plates or something like that... it requires skill and it is not damaging anyone but killing animals as sport is really not my thing 1
Emilia Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Well, I am kind of a natural friendly guy... I can't understand killing animals just for fun. It saddens me to think that people can enjoy taking a life of an animal I could imagine people enjoying shooting plates or something like that... it requires skill and it is not damaging anyone but killing animals as sport is really not my thing I hope you are a vegetarian
therhythm Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 I hope you are a vegetarian Nope I am not vegetarian and I am no hypocrite either... one thing is to kill animals for major necessity ( food) as we are at the top of the food chain and other is to kill animals just for the enjoyment of the killing. I see a big difference in it. While both would get animals killed one is for nutrition purposes and the other one is just for the killing. I am not judging here... You can do what you want, I am just saying that I wouldn't enjoy killing an animal as sport. 1
Emilia Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Nope I am not vegetarian and I am no hypocrite either... one thing is to kill animals for major necessity ( food) as we are at the top of the food chain and other is to kill animals just for the enjoyment of the killing. I see a big difference in it. While both would get animals killed one is for nutrition purposes and the other one is just for the killing. I am not judging here... You can do what you want, I am just saying that I wouldn't enjoy killing an animal as sport. The animals my friends shoot get eaten as they are birds (like pheasant, ducks) and deer. The only difference is the method.... I don't particularly care whether people judge it I just find amusing that intent gets criticised when the end result is the same... 2
therhythm Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 The animals my friends shoot get eaten as they are birds (like pheasant, ducks) and deer. The only difference is the method.... I don't particularly care whether people judge it I just find amusing that intent gets criticised when the end result is the same... Probably the animals your friends kill get eaten but the purpose of killing them was not eating those animals, was the enjoyment of the killing. I understand that people may kill animals but I can't understand that some people enjoy killing animals. It is like I understand that a man or woman may hurt another person when a relationship doesn't go well and they are not compatible but I would not understand a person who enjoys hurting other people...
Emilia Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Probably the animals your friends kill get eaten but the purpose of killing them was not eating those animals, was the enjoyment of the killing. I understand that people may kill animals but I can't understand that some people enjoy killing animals. It is like I understand that a man or woman may hurt another person when a relationship doesn't go well and they are not compatible but I would not understand a person who enjoys hurting other people... I'm sure some people enjoy it, to me it's a skill. I'm also comfortable with being on top of the food chain. Do you think butchers enjoy killing animals?
therhythm Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 I'm sure some people enjoy it, to me it's a skill. I'm also comfortable with being on top of the food chain. Do you think butchers enjoy killing animals? No, I don't think butches enjoy killing animals, it is their job not their hobby... there is the big difference. I am also comfortable with being on top of the food chain, I eat meat as I said before... I think it is a big difference between being on top of the food chain and killing animals as sport, just for the pure enjoyment of the killing. Everyone can do what they want, there is no laws against hunting in most of the countries... I just as a person can't understand how someone can enjoy taking the life of another living being... it is a totally odd concept for me.
Emilia Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 No, I don't think butches enjoy killing animals, it is their job not their hobby... there is the big difference. I am also comfortable with being on top of the food chain, I eat meat as I said before... I think it is a big difference between being on top of the food chain and killing animals as sport, just for the pure enjoyment of the killing. Everyone can do what they want, there is no laws against hunting in most of the countries... I just as a person can't understand how someone can enjoy taking the life of another living being... it is a totally odd concept for me. Sure, understand. Why do you think a butcher chooses a job where he has to use his bare hands to kill animals? When you shoot something you are at a distance and you hardly see what you are killing even. Though obviously when it's an injured animal you have to put it out of its misery by hand sometimes. However, a butcher has a very hands on job. I'd imagine most of them would have the option to do something else if they didn't enjoy their job to at least a degree. My point is: don't you think you are conditioned by society to see one as acceptable but not the other? 1
therhythm Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) Sure, understand. Why do you think a butcher chooses a job where he has to use his bare hands to kill animals? When you shoot something you are at a distance and you hardly see what you are killing even. Though obviously when it's an injured animal you have to put it out of its misery by hand sometimes. However, a butcher has a very hands on job. I'd imagine most of them would have the option to do something else if they didn't enjoy their job to at least a degree. My point is: don't you think you are conditioned by society to see one as acceptable but not the other? I have 2 friends that are butchers (they are brothers) and both are butchers because their family owned a butcher shop and they inherited that and grow into it. I understand that probably there will be many butchers who have chosen that job for other reasons like money, etc. I don't think most of them enjoy killing but I don't think they care too much about it either, it is their job and they just do it as a normal thing to do. I don't think society has anything to do with my perception in this case, I just see killing animals as a necessity for human subsistence and I accept it but my soul reveals against the idea of enjoying that act. As I said before, we as human will be most likely hurting others in our life in one or other moment and in one or other way. While hurting someone is not good sometimes is necessary and acceptable (for example if you reject a man who approach you he may feel hurt but it was a necessity for you since you didn't like him), other thing is enjoying hurting others... that is for me very wrong. Edited July 18, 2013 by therhythm 1
Emilia Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 I don't think society has anything to do with my perception in this case, I just see killing animals as a necessity for human subsistence and I accept it but my soul reveals against the idea of enjoying that act. [...] other thing is enjoying hurting others... that is for me very wrong. Then I suppose you equally could consider that it's not about hurting others or enjoying killing - though I'm sure it is for some. It feels like something primal and natural and it has more to do with doing something that was a way of life for everyone in the whole wide world. Hunting, fishing and gathering is how we survived for hundreds of thousands of years - or millions if you take early ape into consideration. 2
therhythm Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Then I suppose you equally could consider that it's not about hurting others or enjoying killing - though I'm sure it is for some. It feels like something primal and natural and it has more to do with doing something that was a way of life for everyone in the whole wide world. Hunting, fishing and gathering is how we survived for hundreds of thousands of years - or millions if you take early ape into consideration. I actually don't try to pass judgment on what they do ( I am sorry if I came out that way), I am just trying to say that I do not understand the pleasure on that activity. I rather play with an animal than killing it.
sweetkiwi Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Unless its an AK-47 I think sweetkiwi would enjoy that I have enjoyed it, thanks Also Rhythm, in the USA I was exposed to guns at a very early age. It became normal. Not talking about the morality at all, but doesn't it stand to reason that I would be more accustomed than those born in a country where they were illegal? I have a healthy respect (and fear) of weapons. I do not hunt, though I think it respects the animal far far more than the slaughter houses who give you perfectly packaged meat. I don't own guns because I live in Italy and am only 26 (I believe in California it's legal to own a handgun at 25). 1
therhythm Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 I have enjoyed it, thanks Also Rhythm, in the USA I was exposed to guns at a very early age. It became normal. Not talking about the morality at all, but doesn't it stand to reason that I would be more accustomed than those born in a country where they were illegal? I have a healthy respect (and fear) of weapons. I do not hunt, though I think it respects the animal far far more than the slaughter houses who give you perfectly packaged meat. I don't own guns because I live in Italy and am only 26 (I believe in California it's legal to own a handgun at 25). I understand that weapons are part of the US culture.... As I said before I don't judge people who use them but they are not something that I find attractive. I am not trying to defend the slaughter houses or if they do respect animals or not... killing an animal doesn't have much to do with respecting them. I just say that one thing is killing an animal for nutrition reasons and another thing is killing an animal for the pleasure of killing it. The second notion is very odd for me, I can't understand it... it escapes to my understanding how killing an animal can be fun. But I am always speaking from my own experience and preference... what others do is up to them and their conscience...
sweetkiwi Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 I understand that weapons are part of the US culture.... As I said before I don't judge people who use them but they are not something that I find attractive. I am not trying to defend the slaughter houses or if they do respect animals or not... killing an animal doesn't have much to do with respecting them. I just say that one thing is killing an animal for nutrition reasons and another thing is killing an animal for the pleasure of killing it. The second notion is very odd for me, I can't understand it... it escapes to my understanding how killing an animal can be fun. But I am always speaking from my own experience and preference... what others do is up to them and their conscience... I am speaking from my own perspective, obviously. Part of my family is Native American, so for me hunting respects the body of the animal far more than slaughter houses do. And the slaughter houses aren't even the beginning, it's the "farms" they come from as well. If I am hunting something, it is wild and free, not cramped into a small cage or wallowing in it's own feces and injected with tons of antibiotics and hormones. But that's an entirely different thread 1
therhythm Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 But that's an entirely different thread I actually 100% in agreement with this 1
NGC1300 Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Why do so many women deem it important enough to mention it, and comment how they like guys that have those toys....but its not important enough for them to have the toy themselves? Don't be fooled; most women truly do not have hobbies or pastimes. It's all about laughing and joking with friends and family. It's about being around people, and not about the activity. Remove the people, and they'll be lost with nothing to do. 1
Author MrTurk Posted July 19, 2013 Author Posted July 19, 2013 Don't be fooled; most women truly do not have hobbies or pastimes. It's all about laughing and joking with friends and family. It's about being around people, and not about the activity. Remove the people, and they'll be lost with nothing to do. I am trying to think....and I really dont believe I know one woman that owns anything as far as a bike, jetski, boat, etc....they all just tag along with a guy that has whatever it is. But why is that? Why is it so common to see a group of guys unload their jet skis, or boat, or riding their motorcycles.....and so uncommon to see a group of women(with no man in sight) to do the same? I'm sure in coastal areas its more common than on the local lakes that I live near.....but I can bet the ratio is still very slanted. Most of that stuff is very fun...I just dont get why so few women dont partake in it unless a man is leading the way.
Dread Pirate Roberts Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 OK....so in the world of OLD, and in the real world...I have been witness to many, many women mention how they "love riding on motorcycles, boats, jet skis, jeeps, etc, etc. Yet almost none of these women have any of these things themselves. Why do so many women rely on the guy to have these toys? If I liked jet-skiing, and had no jet-ski...would I just sit around twiddling my thumbs...hoping to find a woman that had a jet-ski?? Why do so many women deem it important enough to mention it, and comment how they like guys that have those toys....but its not important enough for them to have the toy themselves? Is the whole rush more about the guy taking them for the ride more than them actually having an interest in the actual object itself? My dad's ex has a boat / waterski, car and motorcycle. I don't think that's always the case, but if it makes you feel any better she's a narcissist/ possibly a sociopath. 1
SpiralOut Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) Don't be fooled; most women truly do not have hobbies or pastimes. It's all about laughing and joking with friends and family. It's about being around people, and not about the activity. Remove the people, and they'll be lost with nothing to do. This frustrates me to no end. Being a straight woman, I don't date women but I am looking for more women friends and sooo many that I have met are like this! I don't understand it at all. It leaves us with nothing to talk about aside from what so and so said to so and so the other day. Ugh. Anyway, as for the women on dating sites who say they like waterskiing but don't have any themselves, maybe they just have friends who do have that stuff, so they go do it when they are invited over. Edited July 19, 2013 by SpiralOut
tbf Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 OK....so in the world of OLD, and in the real world...I have been witness to many, many women mention how they "love riding on motorcycles, boats, jet skis, jeeps, etc, etc.This translates to appealing to the guy's interests by displaying an adventurous spirit. Don't be so literal. 1
sweetkiwi Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 Did I really just read a comment that said women have no hobbies besides talking....? This thread just lost all its legitimacy. Peace. 1
letsbeotherpeople Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 Don't be fooled; most women truly do not have hobbies or pastimes. It's all about laughing and joking with friends and family. It's about being around people, and not about the activity. Remove the people, and they'll be lost with nothing to do. Sorry, but that's a whole load of horse manure. Sure, there are some women like that, but BY FAR most of the women I know have a wide range of hobbies and interests. 1
letsbeotherpeople Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 I am trying to think....and I really dont believe I know one woman that owns anything as far as a bike, jetski, boat, etc....they all just tag along with a guy that has whatever it is. But why is that? Why is it so common to see a group of guys unload their jet skis, or boat, or riding their motorcycles.....and so uncommon to see a group of women(with no man in sight) to do the same? I'm sure in coastal areas its more common than on the local lakes that I live near.....but I can bet the ratio is still very slanted. Most of that stuff is very fun...I just dont get why so few women dont partake in it unless a man is leading the way. So your beef is that some women aren't into the things you are? What ARE they thinking, the strange creatures? 1
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