Are very bitter people, who despise the opposite gender, actually better off alone?

[ChessPieceFace]

As for the divorce rates: men are more likely to hit women, they are more likely to cheat

 

Absolute lying BS. Misandric rubbish.

 

Think men are the unfaithful sex? A study shows WOMEN are the biggest cheats - they're just better at lying about it | Mail Online

 

Women cheat more. Then you have the issue of paternity:

 

One Out Of Ten People Weren't Fathered By The Man They Believe Is Dad - disinformation

 

which puts secretly illegitimate children as high as 30% or more in some studies which accidentally uncovered paternity.

 

And here's a fun one - in France, men don't even have the right to get a paternity test:

 

France upholds the ban on paternity tests | A Voice for Men

 

I'm bitter about the system of financial enslavement I'm in, the lies propagated about my gender, the rights and privileges given to women and not men. Any man who knows anything about anything should be angry, if not bitter, about the state of his life in the western world in 2013.

[Pyro]

I am not justifying it. I am just honest about my issues while most people are in denial. The first step towards changing is admitting you have a problem and I have taken that step. Others won't even take that step.

 

You've been on that step for years. You come on here waving about how proud you are for admitting it. That is great and all but it means jack shyt if you are never going to FULLY COMMIT to taking the next step and to get past your issues.

[Woggle]

You've been on that step for years. You come on here waving about how proud you are for admitting it. That is great and all but it means jack shyt if you are never going to FULLY COMMIT to taking the next step and to get past your issues.

 

I think I have. I don't hate women but the MRAs have legitimate issues that seemed to get mocked whenever they are expressed.

[nescafe1982]

I think bitterness comes from hurt and fear (as other have said). When we are hurt by someone, or afraid for ourselves in a romantic way, there are three paths to choose from:

 

1) we internalize the "blame" for whatever went wrong. You'll see a lot of this here too: people who have been rejected and ask "what did I do wrong?" "What's wrong with me?" and conclude "I'm just not good enough." These people will tend to generalize their own perceived inferiority, and at worst become self-destructive.

 

2) we externalize the "blame" for whatever went wrong. You'll see these people saying "that person was crazy," "they aren't good enough," "they wanted to trap me," or some variation of dismissal. Within such dismissals, however, there is a generalized angst that is then turned outward on other people. For folks who already have a cultural predisposition/prejudice against a gender or group, such angst will come off as bitterness.

 

3) We do away with the concept of "blame," and the need to find someone to bear it. We don't see the rejection as a failure of anyone, and we are patient with ourselves and others. This is clearly the healthy way to do it... but, um, no one jumps there immediately.

 

Bitter people are typically externalizers: they aren't ready to let go of the need to blame yet. And this need to blame seeps into everything: it becomes a generalized angst. They are not happy people.

 

There are observable gender differences in these two tendencies as well, but it has less to do with human-nature and more to do with cultural conditioning.

[JackDrc]

As for the divorce rates: men are more likely to hit women, they are more likely to cheat, they are less likely to seek out marriage counseling or therapy, if brought into a therapeutic situation they are less likely to stick with it. The failure of therapy to "fix" a couple is often what precipitates a divorce.

 

I think this can help explain why women are more likely to file for divorce. I'm not saying "trading up" doesn't happen... because it does (and both genders do it). But there are simply way too many other causes for the divorce disparity to make a definitive ruling on it.

 

Studies show that among my generation, the cheating rates are equal. Women are mostly women but a sizeable percentage of women are emotionally and verbally abusive. Where did you hear that a lack of willingness of men to take therapy seriously is responsible for it? Trading up is just as likely as your explanations but the domestic abuse discrepancy doesn't explain the discrepancy. Domestic violence rates within marriages have been falling for decades. A sizeable majority of the domestic violence committed by men occurs befor marriage, mostly in cohabitation situations.

[soccerrprp]

What person these days doesn't have at least some bitterness towards the oppposite sex?

 

Bitterness? Not me. Why in the world would you think that everyone would be?

 

I've had my negative experiences, but nothing that would make me bitter towards an entire gender. Having such strong feelings is what is most disturbing as we can all attest. It's irrational and vastly counter-productive.

[crude]

Is someone forcing men to get married? Just stop getting married and being exclusive and watch how things change. Just stop getting married.

[JackDrc]

Absolute lying BS. Misandric rubbish.

 

Think men are the unfaithful sex? A study shows WOMEN are the biggest cheats - they're just better at lying about it | Mail Online

 

Women cheat more. Then you have the issue of paternity:

 

One Out Of Ten People Weren't Fathered By The Man They Believe Is Dad - disinformation

 

which puts secretly illegitimate children as high as 30% or more in some studies which accidentally uncovered paternity.

 

And here's a fun one - in France, men don't even have the right to get a paternity test:

 

France upholds the ban on paternity tests | A Voice for Men

 

I'm bitter about the system of financial enslavement I'm in, the lies propagated about my gender, the rights and privileges given to women and not men. Any man who knows anything about anything should be angry, if not bitter, about the state of his life in the western world in 2013.

 

Only in our system is the fact that women now cheat more than men considered progress by the powers that be. Increased infidelity among both men and women is bad for all involved parties, children especially.

[JackDrc]

Is someone forcing men to get married? Just stop getting married and being exclusive and watch how things change. Just stop getting married.

 

That is already happening. The marriage rate has been declining for years, and a lot of this is due to men deciding that the only way to win is not to play. This is tragic because there are still a lot of quality women out there but you have to be a good judge of character. It's terrible when scumbag men marry good women and vice versa. The people who are serious about commitment need to do a better job finding each other because there are a lot of mismatched marriages.

[hoping2heal]

Absolute lying BS. Misandric rubbish.

 

Think men are the unfaithful sex? A study shows WOMEN are the biggest cheats - they're just better at lying about it | Mail Online

 

Women cheat more. Then you have the issue of paternity:

 

 

Okay, if you're going to let yourself feel slighted then 1. use more accurate and reliable sources than an online rag mag. 2. Unfortunately, there is no way to gather data on every man and every woman and their fidelity. Therefore, we can all argue until we're blue in the face and guess what? We don't know fact for fact the real results. Maybe men divorce higher in one study or cheat higher in one study; maybe women divorce higher or cheat more in one study. So? So so suck your toe all the way to Mexico. That's their "findings" on one group of people. It can be 5 people or 15 or 100. Even one 100 people is like -4932498348.56 percent of the population so it really doesn't tell us jack shishpot.

 

You're hell bent and using the tabloids to justify your reasoning. Really??!!

[JackDrc]

Okay, if you're going to let yourself feel slighted then 1. use more accurate and reliable sources than an online rag mag. 2. Unfortunately, there is no way to gather data on every man and every woman and their fidelity. Therefore, we can all argue until we're blue in the face and guess what? We don't know fact for fact the real results. Maybe men divorce higher in one study or cheat higher in one study; maybe women divorce higher or cheat more in one study. So? So so suck your toe all the way to Mexico. That's their "findings" on one group of people. It can be 5 people or 15 or 100. Even one 100 people is like -4932498348.56 percent of the population so it really doesn't tell us jack shishpot.

 

You're hell bent and using the tabloids to justify your reasoning. Really??!!

 

The bulk of statistical evidence indicates that men and women cheat at similar rates.

[ChessPieceFace]

And oh I forgot,

 

It's time to tell truth about domestic violence | HeraldNet.com - Opinion

 

Men are now victims of domestic violence as much, or more than women.

 

What other lying statistics do you want to post where women supposedly have it worse?

 

How about rape?

 

The Rape Victims No One Wants to Hear About: Prisoners

 

A woman was raped? Oh no we need to do something extreme to protect women. A man was raped in prison? Let's joke about it.

[nescafe1982]

Absolute lying BS. Misandric rubbish.

 

Think men are the unfaithful sex? A study shows WOMEN are the biggest cheats - they're just better at lying about it | Mail Online

 

Women cheat more.

 

Well I'll be damned. Well, your link is pure rubbish (as you put it). The Daily mail is a rag. BUT I went snooping around for some real studies, and found there are a couple new ones that say that woman are just as or more likely to cheat as men. So I stand corrected on that front. For those who are interested: Sex Differences in Self-reported Infidelity and its Correlates - Springer

 

Of course, the article is behind a paywall. But the abstract gives the gist.

 

Of course, this does not undermine the other reasons I cited for the difference in divorce rates (e.g. that women are more likely to file). It does demonstrate that women are finally excelling at being scummy in equal numbers, though.

 

But then, the sample in the study i cited are college students, presumably unmarried. So, um, that might distort the data.

[Pyro]

I think I have. I don't hate women but the MRAs have legitimate issues that seemed to get mocked whenever they are expressed.

 

They only get mocked when they refuse to listen to reason and make up ridiculous stats about 'most women are this or that'. They deserve to be mocked at that point.

[nescafe1982]

They only get mocked when they refuse to listen to reason and make up ridiculous stats about 'most women are this or that'. They deserve to be mocked at that point.

 

I think the biggest problem the MRAs have is their angry, combattive tone and their focus on women "winning" in divorce.

 

There are issues that are under-served in our system: men get raped, they get assaulted by their wives/partners, and these things don't get the attention they deserve.

 

BUT these issues are typically appended to less viable issues like the "unfairness" of child support... and that doesn't do the MRAs any more favors than their nasty tone (which makes them easier to dismiss).

[Woggle]

They only get mocked when they refuse to listen to reason and make up ridiculous stats about 'most women are this or that'. They deserve to be mocked at that point.

 

Even many women will admit that the family court system needs some serious reform and that boys needs help in our educational system. You can address these issues without hating women just like women can fight for equal pay and reproductive rights without hating men.

[Pompeii]

You know what, I think everyone should just forget about this rubbish and just go home. I have no bitterness against women but at the end of the day, we all die anyway. I'm going to live my life as best as I can and with as much enjoyment as I can. I'm not going to spend idle hours chasing girls. I already spent too much time I could have devoted towards being elite on trying to be attractive to women. In my eyes, women just aren't worth the trouble. Sex might be nice, I wouldn't know but it doesn't have any lasting value. I'm after things that have lasting value.

 

It seems that going after girls now a days is like college. It's a whole lot of effort for decreasing returns on investment. If I get divorced, I'm pretty much screwed anyway so why would I bother putting myself in that position? Everything I worked hard for would be flushed down the drain because of someone who is completely guided by their emotions. I'm not saying women don't have the ability to think logically but based on what I've seen with the women in my life, many of them will "think" emotionally rather than logically when it comes to a situation. I already know that the odds of divorce are pretty high so I'd rather not risk it all.

 

But if you want to go and chase after women by all means, do it. I'm not one to impede on happiness.

 

I just want to be elite. That's all I care about. Everything else is secondary.

[Pyro]

I think the biggest problem the MRAs have is their angry, combattive tone and their focus on women "winning" in divorce.

 

There are issues that are under-served in our system: men get raped, they get assaulted by their wives/partners, and these things don't get the attention they deserve.

 

BUT these issues are typically appended to less viable issues like the "unfairness" of child support... and that doesn't do the MRAs any more favors than their nasty tone (which makes them easier to dismiss).

 

Sad but true

 

Even many women will admit that the family court system needs some serious reform and that boys needs help in our educational system. You can address these issues without hating women just like women can fight for equal pay and reproductive rights without hating men.

 

Then I welcome a healthy discussion that doesn't involve the hating of the opposite sex.

[nescafe1982]

...boys needs help in our educational system.

 

here, here! As a professor I will say this is absolutely true. Girls have been given the blessing of feminism, and used these ideas to excel in school and work. Boys have been (in many cases) left wondering what their roles are... BUT striking out at women and their new-found rights probably isn't the way to resolve the issue... hence my problem with the MRAs.

[hoping2heal]

 

What other lying statistics do you want to post where women supposedly have it worse?

 

 

Well, since you're asking for suggestions...

 

I would love for you to start posting statistics that come from legitimate studies instead of e-gossip sites or someone's opinion. Just because you find someone online who's willing to write their opinion doesn't mean we should all bow the fk down to what they're saying. Critical thinking skills are your friend. Give me a legitimate non-bias, large figured, scientific study and I'll start giving credence to your rants.

 

Should I dare mention the Steubenville girl who was sexually assaulted and then harassed and made fun of when it came out? There are countless women who have been raped or sexually assaulted and had the ball dropped on them. And?? Should I go around assuming all men are sexual predators? How about no. This is the kind of crap you're doing though.

[Woggle]

Sad but true

 

 

 

Then I welcome a healthy discussion that doesn't involve the hating of the opposite sex.

 

I try to do that but I just get so worked up sometimes that my anger takes over. I am trying to work on that.

[nescafe1982]

Well, since you're asking for suggestions...

 

I would love for you to start posting statistics that come from legitimate studies instead of e-gossip sites or someone's opinion. Just because you find someone online who's willing to write their opinion doesn't mean we should all bow the fk down to what they're saying. Critical thinking skills are your friend. Give me a legitimate non-bias, large figured, scientific study and I'll start giving credence to your rants.

 

Google Scholar is a great place to start. I don't know why more people don't use it in 'net debates.

[Woggle]

here, here! As a professor I will say this is absolutely true. Girls have been given the blessing of feminism, and used these ideas to excel in school and work. Boys have been (in many cases) left wondering what their roles are... BUT striking out at women and their new-found rights probably isn't the way to resolve the issue... hence my problem with the MRAs.

 

I actually think it is feminism's best interest to be interested in boys. For every boy that gets left behind and feels screwed over the misogynist hate movements have a new recruit. It works with men as well. I know many men who are struggling in this bad economy who are starting to fall into that kind of ideology.

[crude]

 

If I get divorced, I'm pretty much screwed anyway so why would I bother putting myself in that position? Everything I worked hard for would be flushed down the drain because of someone who is completely guided by their emotions. I'm not saying women don't have the ability to think logically but based on what I've seen with the women in my life, many of them will "think" emotionally rather than logically when it comes to a situation. I already know that the odds of divorce are pretty high so I'd rather not risk it all.

 

 

 

 

Don't you have that turned around? Women marry for $$$, men marry to be drained financially. Who's the emotional one there? Women get married because they get benefits from it, that's logical. Men get married when the institution is slanted against them, that's stupid. Men are the dopes who vow to take bullets for their wives, when women say they wouldn't do that for the man. That's men being emotional again. Men are the emotional ones, women the logical ones. Which gender punches walls when they get angry?

[Woggle]

Well, since you're asking for suggestions...

 

I would love for you to start posting statistics that come from legitimate studies instead of e-gossip sites or someone's opinion. Just because you find someone online who's willing to write their opinion doesn't mean we should all bow the fk down to what they're saying. Critical thinking skills are your friend. Give me a legitimate non-bias, large figured, scientific study and I'll start giving credence to your rants.

 

Should I dare mention the Steubenville girl who was sexually assaulted and then harassed and made fun of when it came out? There are countless women who have been raped or sexually assaulted and had the ball dropped on them. And?? Should I go around assuming all men are sexual predators? How about no. This is the kind of crap you're doing though.

 

No you shouldn't but somebody who has been abused that becomes bitter is understandable. Would any rational person blame the Cleveland kidnap victims if they became misandrists?