MrTurk Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) I know this has been brought up before on here....and as I said I have never experienced it myself, but many other guys have commented at how much different foreign women tend to be. I recently came across a profile on a dating site...shes foreign, and I found it intriguing....because she actually addresses the difference herself. ****** I am Italian and I like to mention it because, after spending almost four years in the US, I realize that I communicate and interact in a slightly different way from (Midwestern?) Americans. For instance, I am quite straightforward and assertive. My American friends have been kidding me because I often blurt out: "I don't like it!". They told me that I am supposed to define something “challenging” when I find it difficult, "interesting" when I disapprove it, and to say “Yes, but” instead of a sharp “No”. On the other hand, they tried to teach me that I should embellish the "truth" by using a lot of "Great!", "Wonderful!", "Amazing!", rather than plain understatements. Well, they are still trying... It is true, however, that I am friendly, open-minded, and caring. I hope these sides of my personality, somehow, can balance the cultural gap. I am perceptive. I used to be really good at listening to and understanding people. Here this ability is seriously reduced, even though my overall good powers of observation don't seem to be completely destroyed with the move. I was also really good at creating dry witticisms, but being sarcastic is often not looked upon kindly in this (part of the?) country, so I try to repress this "skill" as much as I can. Sometimes I also succeed... ****** Instead of her friends embracing her honest, straight forward personality.....they are actually trying to Americanize her...telling her no,no,no as an American woman you arent supposed to be so blunt and honest. I think its sad that she is being muzzled here in our country by people that see her actions as alien(or maybe even a threat?) I would love to date a woman like this....one that openly speaks her mind....looks like I need to move to another country to find it. . Edited July 4, 2013 by MrTurk
Emilia Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) Instead of her friends embracing her honest, straight forward personality.....they are actually trying to Americanize her...telling her no,no,no as an American woman you arent supposed to be so blunt and honest. I would love to date a woman like this....one that openly speaks her mind....looks like I need to move to another country to find it. I'm Eastern European but have lived in the UK on/off for 20 years. I've worked for about 3 American companies so far and have learned that it's about positivity at all times. We laugh when we have US senior execs over at conferences. They always try to motivate and change the energy, for us Europeans it's quite child-like, we are much more stoical. To be honest for years I thought I'd never be able to date Americans. After travelling and meeting some I sort of changed my mind but still not 100% sure. Half the time I think I'd find the enthusiasm exhausting haha Edited July 4, 2013 by Emilia 2
therhythm Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 I know this has been brought up before on here....and as I said I have never experienced it myself, but many other guys have commented at how much different foreign women tend to be. I recently came across a profile on a dating site...shes foreign, and I found it intriguing....because she actually addresses the difference herself. ****** I am Italian and I like to mention it because, after spending almost four years in the US, I realize that I communicate and interact in a slightly different way from (Midwestern?) Americans. For instance, I am quite straightforward and assertive. My American friends have been kidding me because I often blurt out: "I don't like it!". They told me that I am supposed to define something “challenging” when I find it difficult, "interesting" when I disapprove it, and to say “Yes, but” instead of a sharp “No”. On the other hand, they tried to teach me that I should embellish the "truth" by using a lot of "Great!", "Wonderful!", "Amazing!", rather than plain understatements. Well, they are still trying... It is true, however, that I am friendly, open-minded, and caring. I hope these sides of my personality, somehow, can balance the cultural gap. I am perceptive. I used to be really good at listening to and understanding people. Here this ability is seriously reduced, even though my overall good powers of observation don't seem to be completely destroyed with the move. I was also really good at creating dry witticisms, but being sarcastic is often not looked upon kindly in this (part of the?) country, so I try to repress this "skill" as much as I can. Sometimes I also succeed... ****** Instead of her friends embracing her honest, straight forward personality.....they are actually trying to Americanize her...telling her no,no,no as an American woman you arent supposed to be so blunt and honest. I think its sad that she is being muzzled here in our country by people that see her actions as alien(or maybe even a threat?) I would love to date a woman like this....one that openly speaks her mind....looks like I need to move to another country to find it. . Honestly either you or the girl in the profile just took a part of a joke there is around from computer to computer about women in general and made it up to fit a purpose I seem to fail to understand... Women around the world are obviously different due to cultural differences but there is not better or worse... and women in other countries are not more prone to be honest or dishonest than in other countries... Most American women I know are great people and straight forward.... 2
Els Posted July 5, 2013 Posted July 5, 2013 I'd always thought the American view of the world was a parody. Until I came to LS.... 8
DannyMason Posted July 5, 2013 Posted July 5, 2013 I'd always thought the American view of the world was a parody. Until I came to LS.... Nope, that's pretty much true.
Eggplant Posted July 5, 2013 Posted July 5, 2013 The Midwest American culture emphasizes group harmony over individual expression more so than other parts like the Northeast, for instance (which has more Italian influence by chance), where they say exactly what they think and don't take anybody's sh*t. 2
Ryan R. Posted July 5, 2013 Posted July 5, 2013 I'd always thought the American view of the world was a parody. Until I came to LS.... LOL Where is Africa? 1
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 5, 2013 Posted July 5, 2013 Foreign vs American women? Is it a cage fight? Slow pitch softball? Or what? Is Team Foreign made up of women from any different nationality so long as it isn't American, or are there parameters for that? Can't wait to see it! 3
serial muse Posted July 5, 2013 Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) I'd always thought the American view of the world was a parody. Until I came to LS.... Every time I see that, the "santa!" part cracks me up. OP, seems to me that that's the midwestern culture she's running up against. This whole American vs. Foreign women debate is just so weird, to me. I do think that there are a general cultural attitudes that are more encouraged in the US - the enthusiasm thing, for example, resonates with me - but seriously, there's a lot more diversity intra-America than this fake dichotomy gives credit to. Has the woman in this profile never been to NYC? And the even weirder part is that it's not like anyone not from America behaves monolithically! There's a whole big world out there. That's a kind of insanely US-centric viewpoint too - the idea that you're either alike or different from US patterns of behavior (that the US, at all costs, must be the point of reference). Edited July 5, 2013 by serial muse 5
joystickd Posted July 5, 2013 Posted July 5, 2013 This Foreign vs America stuff is stupid. Even the American comments about the way we see dating in the dating section are borderline offensive. Hell if you never really been here then you don't know. Making the midwest the consensus for America is like Americans saying everyone in the south is like on Deliverance 1
KathyM Posted July 5, 2013 Posted July 5, 2013 Americans are generally more PC in their public and private statements. I know a lot of foreigners personally, and have had many foreign friends over the years, as well as foreign coworkers, business associates, etc. They do tend to be more blunt, and don't seem to temper what they say as much as Americans do. A cultural difference that some Americans may admire, and some may think is insensitive or not polite.
joystickd Posted July 5, 2013 Posted July 5, 2013 Americans are generally more PC in their public and private statements. I know a lot of foreigners personally, and have had many foreign friends over the years, as well as foreign coworkers, business associates, etc. They do tend to be more blunt, and don't seem to temper what they say as much as Americans do. A cultural difference that some Americans may admire, and some may think is insensitive or not polite. Depends on where you go. Some people in rural areas are very blunt.
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 5, 2013 Posted July 5, 2013 I'm trying to decide whether I'd prefer to go mano a mano with Taramere, Eternal Sunshine, Emilia, Elswyth or TaraMaiden. What a dilema.
joystickd Posted July 5, 2013 Posted July 5, 2013 I'm trying to decide whether I'd prefer to go mano a mano with Taramere, Eternal Sunshine, Emilia, Elswyth or TaraMaiden. What a dilema. This is foreign vs American so you might get jumped lol.
sweetjasmine Posted July 5, 2013 Posted July 5, 2013 I know this has been brought up before on here....and as I said I have never experienced it myself, but many other guys have commented at how much different foreign women tend to be. I recently came across a profile on a dating site...shes foreign, and I found it intriguing....because she actually addresses the difference herself. ****** I am Italian and I like to mention it because, after spending almost four years in the US, I realize that I communicate and interact in a slightly different way from (Midwestern?) Americans. For instance, I am quite straightforward and assertive. My American friends have been kidding me because I often blurt out: "I don't like it!". They told me that I am supposed to define something “challenging” when I find it difficult, "interesting" when I disapprove it, and to say “Yes, but” instead of a sharp “No”. On the other hand, they tried to teach me that I should embellish the "truth" by using a lot of "Great!", "Wonderful!", "Amazing!", rather than plain understatements. Well, they are still trying... It is true, however, that I am friendly, open-minded, and caring. I hope these sides of my personality, somehow, can balance the cultural gap. I am perceptive. I used to be really good at listening to and understanding people. Here this ability is seriously reduced, even though my overall good powers of observation don't seem to be completely destroyed with the move. I was also really good at creating dry witticisms, but being sarcastic is often not looked upon kindly in this (part of the?) country, so I try to repress this "skill" as much as I can. Sometimes I also succeed... ****** Instead of her friends embracing her honest, straight forward personality.....they are actually trying to Americanize her...telling her no,no,no as an American woman you arent supposed to be so blunt and honest. I think its sad that she is being muzzled here in our country by people that see her actions as alien(or maybe even a threat?) I would love to date a woman like this....one that openly speaks her mind....looks like I need to move to another country to find it. . LOL, so American women are never straightforward, dry, or sarcastic? Why didn't anyone tell me that NJ and NY seceded from the union?! 2
Seductive Posted July 5, 2013 Posted July 5, 2013 Mr.turk-I've had the opposite experience where my American friends have urged me to be more blunt and in your face. They think being polite means weakness, which I don't agree with at all. I explained to them that my immigrant family taught me that it's better to ignore and walk away than to prove that I'm a bad ass b*tch.
Eggplant Posted July 5, 2013 Posted July 5, 2013 Mr.turk-I've had the opposite experience where my American friends have urged me to be more blunt and in your face. They think being polite means weakness, which I don't agree with at all. I explained to them that my immigrant family taught me that it's better to ignore and walk away than to prove that I'm a bad ass b*tch. Of course it's ludicrous to consider Italian culture as everything foreign, as though everything non-American was the same "foreign" culture. Of course many peoples have the opposite experience, coming from cultures that are more reserved. The OP should have labeled the post "Italian v American." 1
Author MrTurk Posted July 5, 2013 Author Posted July 5, 2013 What is the general consenses of how women act in our society AS A WHOLE? Are women portrayed in movies, books, and TV as being very blunt, and to the point? Or are they usually portrayed as sugar coating, and non-direct? Just because some of you have personal experiences about something that goes against the topic...doesnt mean it overrules the entire majority. Most men and women if being honest will admit that many American women will not be blunt and direct with friends, family, or a SO. Its a trait that is crafted from a young age, as they are always taught to be "nice instead of honest". And as I've said before....a lot of what I say isnt simply MY opinion, or my thoughts manifesting from some crazy corner of my brain. Its based on experiences, facts, and even the admissions of other women. Yes...how about that?? Some women dont follow the womans code....they actually tell me about all the games and bull**** that goes on in the typical life of a woman. I know theres some women on here that would love to shut them up....but alas, the truth keeps coming out.
Seductive Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 What is the general consenses of how women act in our society AS A WHOLE? Are women portrayed in movies, books, and TV as being very blunt, and to the point? Or are they usually portrayed as sugar coating, and non-direct? Just because some of you have personal experiences about something that goes against the topic...doesnt mean it overrules the entire majority. Most men and women if being honest will admit that many American women will not be blunt and direct with friends, family, or a SO. Its a trait that is crafted from a young age, as they are always taught to be "nice instead of honest". And as I've said before....a lot of what I say isnt simply MY opinion, or my thoughts manifesting from some crazy corner of my brain. Its based on experiences, facts, and even the admissions of other women. Yes...how about that?? Some women dont follow the womans code....they actually tell me about all the games and bull**** that goes on in the typical life of a woman. I know theres some women on here that would love to shut them up....but alas, the truth keeps coming out. I'm sure there's a grain of truth to this. A lot of women are fake, and may use indirect put-downs disguised as compliments. But, what about all of these articles saying that American women are rude and masculine? Where does that come from?
joystickd Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 American dudes feast when they go overseas Feast as in eat the P. Well I have been interested in trying to eat women of different countries. I want my tongue to be like a passport stamped by the many vaginas of the world 1
serial muse Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 What is the general consenses of how women act in our society AS A WHOLE? Are women portrayed in movies, books, and TV as being very blunt, and to the point? Or are they usually portrayed as sugar coating, and non-direct? Just because some of you have personal experiences about something that goes against the topic...doesnt mean it overrules the entire majority. Most men and women if being honest will admit that many American women will not be blunt and direct with friends, family, or a SO. Its a trait that is crafted from a young age, as they are always taught to be "nice instead of honest". And as I've said before....a lot of what I say isnt simply MY opinion, or my thoughts manifesting from some crazy corner of my brain. Its based on experiences, facts, and even the admissions of other women. Yes...how about that?? Some women dont follow the womans code....they actually tell me about all the games and bull**** that goes on in the typical life of a woman. I know theres some women on here that would love to shut them up....but alas, the truth keeps coming out. Are you kidding me with this shxt? How's that for straight talk. I can't even. Thanks for providing a genuine LOL moment in a month that has been pretty grim. I mean it: Thanks. 1
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