Exposing Websites

[Spark1111]

You are certainly free to disagree.

 

Why is what your spouse or significant other did to you anyone elses business? It's a punk move.

 

You weren't sitting on some website telling the world how great of a lover they were. WTF would you go on some website telling the world you just got screwed?

 

It reveals a lack of character. We love to talk about how cheaters have a lack of character, but guess what? You just exposed yourself of having a lack of character. It is the low road.

 

If you are fine with that is perfectly okay with me. You just may not realize what you are telling the world about yourself, and you may not like what they are seeing even though they won't tell you to your face.

 

 

I am an honorable person with many, many friends; the admiration of family and the respect of our community.....and guess what?

 

You are wrong.

 

people flocked to my aid, my support, rallied round my children, confronted my FWS and offered to " speak" to his OW on behalf of me and our children. I TALKED them out of that move. We have too much class for that, I told them.

 

That's SUPPORT, LOVE and communal wagons circling to PROTECT the family and a marriage everyone, including me, thought was pretty darn good.

 

Only my WS convinced himself our marriage was terrible while with his OW and she encouraged him to feel that way. No one who had known us, through all our trials and tribulations, THOUGHT THAT FOR ONE MINUTE.

 

I do not know what circles you travel in, but the ones I do, we did, is the one he begged to be accepted back to......my heart, our family, and our community.

 

She had few friends, no true ties to community life (too selfish) , and that mean, abusive, xH? pretty nice guy who grew tired of living with a high-drama, manipulative, mentally unstable XW.

 

But you believe what you want.

 

Exposure did NOT expose me as anything than who I was....Spark, a woman who had loved and supported her H when a lesser woman would have walked away years ago.

 

Best thing I ever did.

[HopingAgain]

I think I understand HopingAgain's point...

 

The WS/AP can/want to cheat, but don't want the repercussions of said cheating.... and this is sometimes what happens: exposure (wide-scale or not).

 

Owl is correct, I should have been more specific, I'm talking about this in the case of an actual infidelity taking place. That is what I meant with this topic, just to be more clear.

 

Bingo! Its like waiting for Dorian Grey to look at his own portrait willingly.

[JustAReformedGirl]

I think Realist is a MM, but I may be mistaken. In any case, its a perfectly legit argument. Cheaters justify their reasons for any number of reprehensible behaviors, but when like consequences befall them as a result of their own behavior, suddenly others are being unjust towards them. Bull****! I swear the rationalizations of cheaters of why they should never have to face the music are endless.

 

I don't think all APs and WS think in those terms. Some of them are well-aware that they, and they alone, are responsible for the choices they make, and do face the music of those actions.

 

My point still remains: why lower yourself to their level? What exactly, are you accomplishing by publicly shaming them? Does it make things better? Does it change what occurred? No. And given the fact that not every AP and WS story is the same, I think it immoral to punish them for the rest of their lives in that manner. They could very well reform, and though I understand we all reap what we sow-at what point do we stop suffering for our past mistakes?

[Spark1111]

You lack a legitimate argument to her statement. Nice straw man tactic, there. So you're totally okay with lowering yourself to the same level as those "cowardly" OW/OM and WS?

 

Hey, if that's your prerogative, then by all means, have a field day.

 

realist is a MM in an affair with a MOW.

 

think what you want about the state of your marriage, the justifications of your affair, your lack of romance, blah, blah, blah.....

 

if exposed, you WILL be judged and most likely unkindly, in the court of communal public opinion, ESPECIALLY if you have children.

 

This is when you will learn that all are tempted to feed the romance lacking in a marriage, but those who have sacrificed it for the sake of providing a stable home life for their children will find you lacking.

 

exposure? Not a bad thing. Not at all.

[Confused48]

I wasn't aware of their existence until this thread, but I think it's classless.

 

 

I too did not know they existed. I would NEVER post about my WS on such a site. But not b/c I think they are classless. It is b/c I would prefere no one know about what happened. Even if recon failed, I would prefere that no one know. Or know as little as possible.

 

That is just my choice and I have a right to make that choice. Other BS may want this disclosure and that is their right. Free speech. As long as they only tell the truth, who has a right to silence them? The cheaters should have thought about the truth of what they did before they did it. There is no excuse for a WS to try to silence the BS. That is as immoral as the other choice the WS made.

 

 

There is so much potential for abuse from scorned people. I'm not talking about people making sh*t up, and posting it. I'm talking about people posting in anger, possibly ruining the "cheater" for years to come.

 

Scorned people? That is how you view the BS?

 

Unlike some, I don't believe in the old adage, "Once a cheater, always a cheater". There is no evidence to back that claim. Yes, cheating is a stupid choice to make-but that doesn't mean someone should have to pay for it for the rest of their lives. That's ridiculous.

 

I agree. I do think that there are some people that will never reform. That are hopeless users/abusers. There are predatory serail cheaters out there. But many cheaters cheat once and learn what a horrible mistake that is. Unfortunately a lot of them do cheat more than once unless and until some negative feedback is given to them. Easy forgiveness and no consequences will often turn the one time cheater into a serial cheater. So these exposure websites may provide the incentive needed by the reformable cheaters to actually think about what they have done. Maybe the pain they feel from exposure will motivate some of them to search their soul.

 

As far as I'm concerned, matters of this nature should be dealt with behind closed doors-not for all the world to see. Good grief, it's not like making people aware of a pedophile, or a known sex offender...it's nowhere near on the same level. :/

 

I, personally, am dealing with it behind closed doors. Sort of. I'm not outing my WS and would never even if recon fails. I am going full bore after the AP b/c the AP is a serail cheater. As in 8 times that I know of. And I do not care if my pursuit of consequences for the AP ends up in exposure for my WS. So far it has not and I will do whatever I can to avoid that for WS but if the only way to take down the AP is also to expose WS then I will.

 

Serail cheaters are just as dangerous and damaging as pedophiles. Even one time cheaters are truly dangerous individuals. Just wait until when you tell your H about your A. If you ever had any true loving feelings for him then wait until when you see how your news affects him. You will be devastated. He will suffer and you will watch. You will see that cheaters are as bad as pedophiles and if a website helps to stop them from doing it again, then gods bless those websites.

 

The serail cheaters destroy family after family. In my opinion after you have destroyed more than two families you should have life in prison. So if the worst thing that happens to such a person is their name is posted on a cheater website, then they got off easy. IMHO.

[JustAReformedGirl]

realist is a MM in an affair with a MOW.

 

Ah. I'm not sure why I assumed female.

 

think what you want about the state of your marriage, the justifications of your

affair, your lack of romance, blah, blah, blah.....

 

I'm not bringing my situation into this, and I kindly request you do the same.

 

if exposed, you WILL be judged and most likely unkindly, in the court of

communal public opinion, ESPECIALLY if you have children.

 

It's one thing when the people that you know in real life learn of these things-posting it on the internet for all to see is quite another matter. Sorry, but I stand by my point. I don't agree with public shaming.

 

This is when you will learn that all are tempted to feed the romance lacking in a marriage, but those who have sacrificed it for the sake of providing a stable home life for their children will find you lacking.

 

exposure? Not a bad thing. Not at all.

 

That is your opinion, and I'm sticking to mine.

[JustAReformedGirl]

I too did not know they existed. I would NEVER post about my WS on such a site. But not b/c I think they are classless. It is b/c I would prefere no one know about what happened. Even if recon failed, I would prefere that no one know. Or know as little as possible.

 

That is just my choice and I have a right to make that choice. Other BS may want this disclosure and that is their right. Free speech. As long as they only tell the truth, who has a right to silence them? The cheaters should have thought about the truth of what they did before they did it. There is no excuse for a WS to try to silence the BS. That is as immoral as the other choice the WS made.

 

No, I WS should never try to forbid them from doing so, if it is their wish. I'm just pointing out that I don't think it makes the situation any better.

 

 

 

 

Scorned people? That is how you view the BS?

 

Poor wording on my part.

 

 

 

I agree. I do think that there are some people that will never reform. That

are hopeless users/abusers. There are predatory serail cheaters out there. But

many cheaters cheat once and learn what a horrible mistake that is.

Unfortunately a lot of them do cheat more than once unless and until some

negative feedback is given to them. Easy forgiveness and no consequences will

often turn the one time cheater into a serial cheater. So these exposure

websites may provide the incentive needed by the reformable cheaters to actually

think about what they have done. Maybe the pain they feel from exposure will

motivate some of them to search their soul.

 

While I agree that some negative incentive is necessary in the case of serial cheaters (or people well on their way to becoming one), it still comes down to this: what happens when said cheater reforms, and they are still paying for their mistakes? I'm just seeing a major backfire in the BS's quest for justice. Yes, they are hurt and angry, and have every right to be; but do they really want to make that person suffer longer than what's necessary?

 

 

 

I, personally, am dealing with it behind closed doors. Sort of. I'm not outing

my WS and would never even if recon fails. I am going full bore after the AP

b/c the AP is a serail cheater. As in 8 times that I know of. And I do not care

if my pursuit of consequences for the AP ends up in exposure for my WS. So far

it has not and I will do whatever I can to avoid that for WS but if the only way

to take down the AP is also to expose WS then I will.

 

I understand this; it's still an unfortunate circumstance all around, but I can't blame you for it.

 

Serial cheaters are just as dangerous and damaging as pedophiles.

 

I'm sorry, Confused, but I don't think the two are comparable. A pedo preys on children; children cannot fight back, or at least not efficiently enough to do so, and may not even know to fight back. I was molested as a child. I honestly don't carry much emotionally, on that front-aside from the fact that the molester was a close family member. Even then, I didn't want this person to be hurt...of course, I was young, thought the world of them, and felt guilty that they got in trouble for me "blabbing". Anyway, I digress.

 

 

 

 

Even one time cheaters are truly dangerous individuals. Just wait until

when you tell your H about your A. If you ever had any true loving

feelings for him then wait until when you see how your news affects him. You

will be devastated. He will suffer and you will watch. You will see that

cheaters are as bad as pedophiles and if a website helps to stop them from doing

it again, then gods bless those websites.

 

Again, sorry, but I really don't like the comparison. Yes, both cheaters and pedophiles cause emotional and physical devastation-but the type of devastation is quite different.

 

The serial cheaters destroy family after family. In my opinion after you have destroyed more than two families you should have life in prison. So if the worst thing that happens to such a person is their name is posted on a cheater website, then they got off easy. IMHO.

 

Given what you're going through, your standpoint is understandable. I can't say I fully agree to the jail statement, but in the case of cheaters who continue to devastate one family after another-whether they be AP or WS-then I suppose public shaming may have its uses. Still though, I don't see that it will really change anything.

[Artie Lang]

looks like those who have indulged in this abhorrent behavior are strongly against these sites. doesn't surprise me one bit.

 

"you play, you pay"

[Confused48]

I don't think all APs and WS think in those terms. Some of them are well-aware that they, and they alone, are responsible for the choices they make, and do face the music of those actions.

 

Point taken. To publicly shame and humiliate a repentant WS would be morally wrong.

 

My point still remains: why lower yourself to their level? What exactly, are you accomplishing by publicly shaming them?

 

 

Agreed.

 

Does it make things better? Does it change what occurred? No.

 

Agreed again. In spades. It would make it worse and make the BS more damaged.

 

And given the fact that not every AP and WS story is the same, I think it immoral to punish them for the rest of their lives in that manner. They could very well reform, and though I understand we all reap what we sow-at what point do we stop suffering for our past mistakes?

 

You sound like a truly remorseful WS. One that may never do this again. Whether or not you stay with your H, I mean. Some WS realize what a really bad choice, for there own personal outcome, an affair was. And would never do it again. Even without feeling the negative consequences.

 

Others need consequences. It can be as simple as seeing the lifetime of pain they have inflicted upon someone they once loved. Or it may require more. Some may never reform and hence the need for websites to inform potential victims.

 

What a great resource! I imagine there have already been some people pursued by serail cheaters that had a bad feeling and googled the predator's name and found something posted that made them realize they were not a "soul mate" but rather prey.

 

But as I said, you appear to be remorseful. You said repeatedly that you would do the right thing. You never did. You may be one of those than need more consequences to motivate you to look inside your soul.

[JustAReformedGirl]

 

But as I said, you appear to be remorseful. You said repeatedly that you would do the right thing. You never did. You may be one of those than need more consequences to motivate you to look inside your soul.

 

I haven't done so, yet. I know this comes off weak, but I do still need time to work up to this. Once I do, it will all come out at once. Besides, this isn't about me; I assure you, my standpoint on such a resource would be the same, more than a year ago.

 

Revenge only begets more revenge; as my karma will come to bite me in the ass, I believe the karma of shaming someone (and you cannot deny that some BS's would do so in a very sadistic, cruel way) will likewise bear consequences on the people who do so (in the fashion I described).

 

More over, I don't think shaming the WS will truly make the BS feel any better-about the situation, or themselves. In fact, some BS's on here-aside from you-said they personally wouldn't do such a thing; it would be shameful for them, having fallen for someone of that nature.

[Confused48]

 

I'm sorry, Confused, but I don't think the two are comparable. A pedo preys on children; children cannot fight back, or at least not efficiently enough to do so, and may not even know to fight back. I was molested as a child. I honestly don't carry much emotionally, on that front-aside from the fact that the molester was a close family member. Even then, I didn't want this person to be hurt...of course, I was young, thought the world of them, and felt guilty that they got in trouble for me "blabbing". Anyway, I digress.

 

 

You said it yourself, you don't cary much long term from what happened as a child. I would never have said that b/c I'm not a victim of that. But I have heard that and read that a lot. I also personally know that BS often feel the A was the worst thing that ever happened to them. That is BS that have been raped, even raped as a child by a pedophile. And BS that have had a child die.

 

You just don't yet realize the pain you have inflicted upon your BH and that you will suffer when you do see it. You seem like such a nice person and I'm truly feeling pain for you knowing that since you are a decent person you will eventually suffer greatly for what you did. I'd do almost anything to spare you from that but I can't and if I did you would not become the person you are about to become.

 

 

 

Again, sorry, but I really don't like the comparison. Yes, both cheaters and pedophiles cause emotional and physical devastation-but the type of devastation is quite different.

 

I have not been a victim of both. But I have read here on LS from those that have been both raped as a child and then been betrayed as a spouse. I never saw one post from such a person that did not say that being betrayed by their soul mate was not worse than being raped as a child. It may be some do feel that way. I've just not seen it.

[JustAReformedGirl]

You said it yourself, you don't cary much long term from what happened as a child. I would never have said that b/c I'm not a victim of that. But I have heard that and read that a lot. I also personally know that BS often feel the A was the worst thing that ever happened to them. That is BS that have been raped, even raped as a child by a pedophile. And BS that have had a child die.

 

I suppose that is fair to say. When I found out my H may have cheated, it didn't process immediately. I cried, but no anger. I blew up on him several months later, and after that, bit his head off about it on two more occasions. After that, I haven't really thought or felt much in regard to it. I guess mostly because it cannot be confirmed, nor denied. In the case of an undeniable affair, I imagine the emotions are much more explosive and turbulent. In short, I'm not in your shoes, so I can't really say, one way or another.

 

You just don't yet realize the pain you have inflicted upon your BH and that you

will suffer when you do see it. You seem like such a nice person and I'm truly

feeling pain for you knowing that since you are a decent person you will

eventually suffer greatly for what you did. I'd do almost anything to spare you

from that but I can't and if I did you would not become the person you are about

to become.

 

I really appreciate the vote of confidence; like I said before, it means a lot, coming from someone in your position. I know I'll suffer for it, and more over, I know I deserve it. I will take what comes, without complaint. It will hurt, I know. The self-loathing has been growing for quite some time. But, I deserve the fall.

[Confused48]

I haven't done so, yet. I know this comes off weak,

 

 

Agreed!!!

Revenge only begets more revenge; as my karma will come to bite me in the ass, I believe the karma of shaming someone (and you cannot deny that some BS's would do so in a very sadistic, cruel way) will likewise bear consequences on the people who do so (in the fashion I described).

 

Agreed.

 

More over, I don't think shaming the WS will truly make the BS feel any better-about the situation, or themselves. In fact, some BS's on here-aside from you-said they personally wouldn't do such a thing; it would be shameful for them, having fallen for someone of that nature.

 

Some BS might feel better. Let them have it. Agreed that revenge begets karma for that but let them have it and learn that. The WS should not deny the BS the opportunity to grow from the WS mistakes.

 

What about those that post to these sites, not out of revenge, but to warn the general public?

[Spark1111]

I haven't done so, yet. I know this comes off weak, but I do still need time to work up to this. Once I do, it will all come out at once. Besides, this isn't about me; I assure you, my standpoint on such a resource would be the same, more than a year ago.

 

Revenge only begets more revenge; as my karma will come to bite me in the ass, I believe the karma of shaming someone (and you cannot deny that some BS's would do so in a very sadistic, cruel way) will likewise bear consequences on the people who do so (in the fashion I described).

 

More over, I don't think shaming the WS will truly make the BS feel any better-about the situation, or themselves. In fact, some BS's on here-aside from you-said they personally wouldn't do such a thing; it would be shameful for them, having fallen for someone of that nature.

 

I just need to reiterate this:

 

I simply did not care. you are making the assumption that many a BS loves the WS enough to want to reconcile and forgive their transgressions.

 

Fifty percent move immediately to divorce. WHY would we care about shaming that WS who lied and deceived us for months, years?

 

We do not. Victimized by the worst betrayal of our lives and heading for divorce, a public shaming, outing site is the lesser evil to actual violence....aVERY REAL consequence to the crazies that descend.

 

I did neither, yet I surely understand those who do, especially since the mere thought of POSSIBLY reconciling is months and months down the road, IF EVER.

 

YOU hurt me? I HURT back. That's human nature, 101. Why is surprises cheaters continues to surprise me in that they just don't get it....Smug and safe in their secrecy and preconceived notions of how their BS will react.

 

Surprises always abound at DDAY and NEVER underestimate the reactions to betrayal, no matter how well you think you know your BS.

[JustAReformedGirl]

I just need to reiterate this:

 

I simply did not care. you are making the assumption that many a BS loves the WS enough to want to reconcile and forgive their transgressions.

 

Actually, I made no such claim. You're assuming that I made that assumption. I have not.

 

Fifty percent move immediately to divorce. WHY would we care about shaming that

WS who lied and deceived us for months, years?

 

The remarkable thing is, my last post to you said you have your opinions, I have mine. I had no desire to debate the matter with you further. Why do you insist on doing so?

 

 

 

 

 

YOU hurt me? I HURT back. That's human nature, 101. Why is surprises cheaters

continues to surprise me in that they just don't get it....Smug and safe in

their secrecy and preconceived notions of how their BS will react

 

Clearly, you have some preconceived notions of your own. I have no desire to point them out, because I'm tired of going in circles with this.

[Confused48]

I know I deserve it. I will take what comes, without complaint. It will hurt, I know. The self-loathing has been growing for quite some time. But, I deserve the fall.

 

OMG. You are breaking my heart. I'm in tears and I do NOT cry easily! I wish you could be sparred this. Believe me when I tell you, you will suffer less the sooner you come clean.

 

Stop the self loathing. Think of your self. Be really, truly, selfish. By that I mean tell your H asap. That is in your own self interest. Coincidentally it is also the best thing for him. Even though it may seem not at the time you do it.

 

I kind of forgot that your H had that incident. That would drive anyone crazy. Not that it excuses what you did. To your credit, I forgot about it b/c you NEVER used it as an excuse. But know that you have been damaged by that incident and are probably at least partially unaware of how deeply that affected you and your marriage.

[JustAReformedGirl]

OMG. You are breaking my heart. I'm in tears and I do NOT cry easily! I wish you could be sparred this. Believe me when I tell you, you will suffer less the sooner you come clean.

 

I sure as heck wasn't expecting that. Please, don't feel bad for me. I'm okay with whatever comes my way from all of this; I really am. It is my burden to bear, and one I brought upon myself.

 

Stop the self loathing. Think of your self. Be really, truly, selfish. By that

I mean tell your H asap. That is in your own self interest. Coincidentally it is

also the best thing for him. Even though it may seem not at the time you do it.

 

My goal is to tell him this Friday. I don't want to dump this on him during the work week; at least with the weekend, he'll have time to digest the information without additional stress. That is honestly what's holding me back, but I will do it.

 

I kind of forgot that your H had that incident. That would drive anyone crazy. Not that it excuses what you did. To your credit, I forgot about it b/c you NEVER used it as an excuse. But know that you have been damaged by that incident and are probably at least partially unaware of how deeply that affected you and your marriage.

 

Aside for mentioning it in my first post in my own thread to give as clear a picture as possible, I had no desire to use it as an excuse. I don't feel it is one. Even if I knew for sure that it had occurred, I would never use it as justification for what I've done. You're probably right, but I can't be sure. I tend to repress certain things, when I don't know how to handle them, or when closure is not an option.

[Confused48]

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My goal is to tell him this Friday. I don't want to dump this on him during the work week; at least with the weekend, he'll have time to digest the information without additional stress. That is honestly what's holding me back, but I will do it.

 

This does make sense to me. Thanks for explaining the delay. I think you are kind to do it like this.

 

Best wishes to you. I wish my WS had done the same. I had to discover it on my own, in the middle of the night, on a week day.

[JustAReformedGirl]

This does make sense to me. Thanks for explaining the delay. I think you are kind to do it like this.

 

Best wishes to you. I wish my WS had done the same. I had to discover it on my own, in the middle of the night, on a week day.

 

Thank you. I figure it's better that I tell him in this manner, than for it to occur the way it did for you. Because I have no doubt, if I kept this going, he would eventually find out. There is far too much evidence; I doubt he could continue to ignore it, indefinitely.

 

We've kind of strayed off-topic, so hopefully you see this before any posts are deleted.

[So happy together]

Of course all the WS's and OWs feel this way. They can dish it out (humiliation and pain) but can't take it. Typical cowardly attitude from cheaters.

 

 

 

Sites like this may make the BS feel better momentarily, but in the long run would it? Would it serve to make BS feel morally superior but then have everyone slowly back away while not looking her directly in the eye because they are afraid they're next? Not to mention if the two have children together, isn't that going to reflect badly on both? That the married person would cheat, and that the betrayed spouse would retaliate in such a childish manner? What if someone saw that and told your child they'd seen it? What if the children's peers saw it and the children's lives are made even worse than they were before?

 

This feels so Jr. high to me.

 

But... as I said in my first post, I wouldn't rely on it and if my name ever turned up I would laugh it off unless I could prove it was not true, then I would sue the pants off of whomever posted the lies. I didn't know these sites even existed, but I certainly wouldn't ever go looking to see who was on there.

 

Another thing I've wondered is what happens if WS is the breadwinner and their pic is put there? Suddenly clients have disappeared, jobs are lost, there is no money coming in. The ramifications could be huge to the one who posts it as well if they are getting income from the WS or have decided to reconcile.

 

And, if you are married to the WS and decide to turn in the OM/OW, you're setting yourself up for trouble as well, as that person could retaliate by putting WS's info there, and even yours (whether true or not).

[hoping2heal]

I had no idea anything like this existed. So, I googled and found one and on it was a photo of a nice girl next door looking gal. So, there was a little paragraph on her cheating. Guess what? The byotch or d-bag who reported her says she doesn't really know her personally, but she heard all about it from a girlfriend of hers. In other words, people are just going on there and writing crap like that without knowing the real story or even the person. Problem number 1 with websites like that.

[Robert]

A reminder to keep the thread on topic, thanks

[jlola]

Though I would never do it myself, I do understand why someone would be angry,humiliated enough to post on these websites . They were cheated on, lied to,potential financial destruction,etc.

 

Some keep talking about higher ground. I think when you are in that headspace and pain, higher ground is not what you aspire to do. This is what cheaters take on when they cheat. The possibility they will be exposed in a ay they did not expect..

 

These sites should require proof though.

 

Now if a mechanic screws me over and messes up my car, there are consumer websites for complaints, if a restaurant serves me food that makes me sick, there are websites for complaints. Do you have to bring proof to these websites before you can post a complaint? I doubt it. But we are in an age of digital technology and if you can use the internet to cheat, do not be surprised it can also be used to expose the cheaters.

 

As for karma, I don't know. I see a lot of people who do bad things walking around happy as can be . Meanwhile the good folks I know are the ones paying for it.

 

I will be calling animal control this morning about a neighbor who does not leash his pitbull. He and the family think it is very sweet. I have asked numerous time for him to leash it and he refuses. Most of the other neighbors(especially the ones with small dogs cross the street). I feel disrespected and I have 2 dogs under 10 lbs.

 

Noone else has called. I am willing to be the bad guy and do not care if he knows it. He is disrespectful. Des not take into account anyone's feelings but his own. He will continue doing as he pleases. Like some cheaters.

[JustAReformedGirl]

 

I will be calling animal control this morning about a neighbor who does not leash his pitbull. He and the family think it is very sweet. I have asked numerous time for him to leash it and he refuses. Most of the other neighbors(especially the ones with small dogs cross the street). I feel disrespected and I have 2 dogs under 10 lbs.

 

Noone else has called. I am willing to be the bad guy and do not care if he knows it. He is disrespectful. Des not take into account anyone's feelings but his own. He will continue doing as he pleases. Like some cheaters.

 

While the man is being disrespectful in that regard, what happens when Animal control comes? What happens if that animal is unjustly terminated, just for being its breed? What was that dog's crime?

 

Also, I'm doing this to point out that the issue with your neighbour isn't really comparable to the issue with your neighbour. It's off-topic, and even if your neighbour finally gets the hint, it's the animal that suffers. Hence why I say they aren't comparable.

 

Not doing this to pick a fight, but to put some perspective. It is true though, that some cheaters will continue until the consequences hit. Others however, stop after they've come to realize on their own (without D-day or exposure).

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While the man is being disrespectful in that regard, what happens when Animal control comes? What happens if that animal is unjustly terminated, just for being its breed? What was that dog's crime?

 

Also, I'm doing this to point out that the issue with your neighbour isn't really comparable to the issue with your neighbour. It's off-topic, and even if your neighbour finally gets the hint, it's the animal that suffers. Hence why I say they aren't comparable.

 

Not doing this to pick a fight, but to put some perspective. It is true though, that some cheaters will continue until the consequences hit. Others however, stop after they've come to realize on their own (without D-day or exposure).

 

 

It is the law. Also I have to protect my animals too, I do not have fear for me.

 

My point is hen some people feel backed up, disrespected,ignored they may resort to action they may otherwise have not done.