Woggle Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 I'm not looking at it from the man's perspective, for obvious reasons. I'm a woman. I'm interested in who's experience makes them better suited to be a good relationship partner for me. Someone who's been unable and unwilling to commit their entire life, and they're now in their 40's, is unlikely to be a good partner to me. A divorced guy who got a little messed up by a woman has a much better chance of being a good partner to me. Yeah but why did his ex wife divorce him? Some divorced guys I know are the biggest misogynists you can find as well.
Star Gazer Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Yeah but why did his ex wife divorce him? Some divorced guys I know are the biggest misogynists you can find as well. Most of the divorced guys I meet divorced their wives, not the other way around, and they were married for an average of about 12-15 years.
melodymatters Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Yeah but why did his ex wife divorce him? Some divorced guys I know are the biggest misogynists you can find as well. Where is Woggle and what did you do to him ?!? He, did NOTHING wrong, it was his walk away wife who coldly changed her mind out of nowhere, cheated with multiple partners and took 99.9% of everything when she left. Sheesh, I thought everyone knew that....
Author Eternal Sunshine Posted June 20, 2013 Author Posted June 20, 2013 I am really WARY of never married guys that are in their late 30s and above. They have hard core commitment phobia and other major issues. I would much rather date a divorced guy. Yeah, some are messed up, others have learned from their mistakes. 3
Author Eternal Sunshine Posted June 20, 2013 Author Posted June 20, 2013 I was talking to the never married and never had a LTR guy that is 39. He is actually quite good looking and has a good job etc. I asked him why he never had a LTR/got married. He responded: "I am looking for that perfect woman" then he lists a bunch of (mostly physical attributes) including the exact eye color and chest/waist/hip measurements. I was like OK :confused: *runs away*
Star Gazer Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 I was talking to the never married and never had a LTR guy that is 39. He is actually quite good looking and has a good job etc. I asked him why he never had a LTR/got married. He responded: "I am looking for that perfect woman" then he lists a bunch of (mostly physical attributes) including the exact eye color and chest/waist/hip measurements. I was like OK :confused: *runs away* That's pretty much been my experience as well. They're looking for the perfect woman. One... no joke... I asked one 40 year old the same thing, and he said about his last girlfriend, "She's crazy." I asked what that meant. He said, "She needed to go to bed by 10:30 4 times a week so she could run in the morning. Kooookoooo!!!" I asked why that made her crazy. He said because she obviously wasn't making herself available to date as often as he'd like because of it... which was too bad, because she was his physical ideal. Seriously, some of these guys are just nut jobs. 1
Star Gazer Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 well of course, because just women are allowed to be choosy. :rolleyes: You're not making any sense. Being choosy should not be synonymous with calling a woman "crazy."
iris219 Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 I'm not looking at it from the man's perspective, for obvious reasons. I'm a woman. I'm interested in who's experience makes them better suited to be a good relationship partner for me. Someone who's been unable and unwilling to commit their entire life, and they're now in their 40's, is unlikely to be a good partner to me. A divorced guy who's shown he has the ability to commit yet who got a little messed up by a woman has a much better chance of being a good partner to me. Agreed. I've noticed that many of the never married men over 35 have never married because they don't want to be married (commitment issues). Many of these men are good looking and successful, and have chosen to be single when they could have easily settled down a long time ago. No woman perfect enough for them exists. My ex is this guy and he will probably never be married. For the most part, men who want to settle down and have a family do so by a certain age. If they haven't, ES is right to be wary of them.
Star Gazer Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 lumping every single never married man 40 and over isn't a single box is crazy. I didn't do that. I said I'd prefer a divorced guy over a never-married guy based on my personal experience with both. You need to learn better deductive reasoning and reading comprehension. But thank you for proving my point about never-married 40+ men having "issues."
iris219 Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 most never married men upper 30's and above are that way because they can't even get through a few dates with a woman before she rejects him because he did a tiny thing 'wrong'. We are talking about a different demographic of men. I was referring to men over 30 who are considered desirable by women and do not face much rejection. They do most of the rejecting. 1
Star Gazer Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 that's right, because i don't even exist to you or other women. i don't even count as a man as far as you and star gazer and the rest of the women are concerned. With the attitude you're demonstrating in this thread, you are correct and I'm not surprised in the slightest.
Woggle Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Where is Woggle and what did you do to him ?!? He, did NOTHING wrong, it was his walk away wife who coldly changed her mind out of nowhere, cheated with multiple partners and took 99.9% of everything when she left. Sheesh, I thought everyone knew that.... The walkway wife might truly be what it is but guys who go through that experience usually never come out looking at women the same again. That kind of thing changes a man because all of a sudden the woman you thought loved you has made you the enemy. If she has a good reason to divorce him why would a woman want him anyway? Also somebody said that the majority of divorces around her are initiated by men. That is certainly not the case across the whole spectrum. It is a statistical fact that most divorces are initiated by women.
Woggle Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Agreed. I've noticed that many of the never married men over 35 have never married because they don't want to be married (commitment issues). Many of these men are good looking and successful, and have chosen to be single when they could have easily settled down a long time ago. No woman perfect enough for them exists. My ex is this guy and he will probably never be married. For the most part, men who want to settle down and have a family do so by a certain age. If they haven't, ES is right to be wary of them. Would you be offended if a man applied that same standard to a woman over a certain age who has never been married? The same thing applies to many of them.
iris219 Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 that's right, because i don't even exist to you or other women. i don't even count as a man as far as you and star gazer and the rest of the women are concerned. I have nothing against inexperienced men. They are, however, outside by range of knowledge as I do not have experience with men who struggle to get dates, no matter what they look like or what their personality is like. I'm sorry to hear that you've struggled. 1
iris219 Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Would you be offended if a man applied that same standard to a woman over a certain age who has never been married? The same thing applies to many of them. It applies to some of women, sure, but many women have wasted a lot of years with men who they realized were never going to commit, even though it seemed from what these men said and how they behaved that marriage was desired (when in reality it wasn't). 2
Star Gazer Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Would you be offended if a man applied that same standard to a woman over a certain age who has never been married? The same thing applies to many of them. Actually, it's not. Unmarried women over a certain age have their own problems, but they're different from the unmarried men of the same age. Typically, the men are commitmentphobes/looking for perfection, and the women are bad men-pickers (usually picking the aforementioned commitmentphobes/perfect-woman guys). 2
Star Gazer Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 my attitude was way better at 35, but didn't help me. even at 38 it wasn't nearly this bad. now its bad. how about they make a 50 year old virgin movie for everyone to laugh at, starring me. i'm sure i'll be one at 50. :rolleyes: Dealing with your anger would help you more than overtaking someone's thread.
Star Gazer Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 I have nothing against inexperienced men. They are, however, outside by range of knowledge as I do not have experience with men who struggle to get dates, no matter what they look like or what their personality is like. I'm sorry to hear that you've struggled. Same here. I've never personally met a man who's over 25 who's a virgin or never had a relationship. I've just met and wasted tons of time on several George Clooneys.
Woggle Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Actually, it's not. Unmarried women over a certain age have their own problems, but they're different from the unmarried men of the same age. Typically, the men are commitmentphobes/looking for perfection, and the women are bad men-pickers (usually picking the aforementioned commitmentphobes/perfect-woman guys). There are plenty of female commitmentphobes. Look at all the women who get what they claim to want and then want to run the other way. Many also have the don't settle mentality as well.
Star Gazer Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 There are plenty of female commitmentphobes. Look at all the women who get what they claim to want and then want to run the other way. Many also have the don't settle mentality as well. Sure. But, trust me. There are far more commitmentphobic, GIGs, looking for the BBD, George Clooneys of the world than there are a female counterpart. Both unmarried men and women have their issues, but again, they're different. And as someone who's been out of the dating pool for a long time, Woggle, and with little experience with either, I suggest you remove yourself from this debate.
Woggle Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Sure. But, trust me. There are far more commitmentphobic, GIGs, looking for the BBD, George Clooneys of the world than there are a female counterpart. Both unmarried men and women have their issues, but again, they're different. And as someone who's been out of the dating pool for a long time, Woggle, and with little experience with either, I suggest you remove yourself from this debate. I have dated quite a bit in my single time though and I know what my never married friends tell me. They just don't have much faith in marriage at all. A friend of mine told me that if marriage was a game in casino not even the most hardcore gambler would play it since the odds are so bad and you can lose so much.
Star Gazer Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 for most of you being single without sex a few months or maybe a year or two is all you've ever experienced. This is true. Does that make you feel better? Go ahead with your wallowing bad-self, it's working for you!
Author Eternal Sunshine Posted June 20, 2013 Author Posted June 20, 2013 The only man over 25 that I have ever met that is a virgin/constantly rejected etc, has a severe mental disability. So I have no idea that men like the ones on LS even exist in real life. If they do, they are certainly extremely rare. 3
Star Gazer Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 The only man over 25 that I have ever met that is a virgin/constantly rejected etc, has a severe mental disability. So I have no idea that men like the ones on LS even exist in real life. If they do, they are certainly extremely rare. I think there are very few of them IRL, and they all have about 100 user names on LS. 2
DannyMason Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Slightly over 13% of unmarried men at 25 are virgins. Overall 1-5% of men 25 and older are virgins depending on which study you're reading.
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