I think it's so funny when women on the internet say .....

[MomsSpaghetti]

... things like, "Well, if that's your view of women, then it's no wonder you aren't having any success with them. Women don't like guys who are misogynistic."

 

It's complete propaganda. There isn't any positive correlation between how much of a progressive-thinking, white knight a guy is, and how much he gets laid. I'm not a PUA guy at all, but I will say that the guys I've known who got laid the most, in addition to being tall and handsome, also held what would be considered misogynistic views and didn't think women were good for anything other than sex. It's actually a negative correlation.

 

I'm not saying it was their misogyny that got them laid all the time, but I'm saying they got laid in spite of the fact. I bet some of the women they banged were ones who hangout on Loveshack or Reddit saying, "I would never date a guy if I knew he thought women were boring, emotional creatures with no hobbies" (I remember one of my friends who's a ladies' man making fun of women for having no hobbies lol). I think that attractive guys are actually allowed to say misogynistic things. Because when they do, women just think, "Oh, he has so much experience with women, so he must have a point." Whereas, if an unattractive guy ever acts misogynistically, women will always tear him apart because they have the ammunition that is "You're just bitter because you can't get laid."

[ThaWholigan]

Everything that you said in this thread is just as funny because that's all I ever read on the internet too.

 

Just a bunch of men and women bitching about sh*t. Go figure.

[SJC2008]

I somewhat see where you're comming from and you're right, what people say online doesn't always correlate with what they say/do IRL. Look at my compliment thread. The vast majority of posters say they give compliments. Now, if this was a good population sample of IRL then people in IRL would seemingly give compliments at the same rate. Am I saying they're full of crap? Of course not! What I am saying is the sample of posters saying they're very complimentary doesn't match the sample of what I see IRL in that the majority of people who chimed in on the thread compliment others and the majority of people I've come accross IRL don't, whether it's to me or if I overhear someone complimenting someone else. I will add though I've never been accuses of having a negative attitude here and have only been called bitter by a female poster once and she heard back from me!

[sweetkiwi]

It's true. The biggest ladies man I have ever known was a huge mysoginist. He hated women. Unless he was trying to get laid, and even then he was a complete dick. He literally ****ed every woman he came across. They ate whatever shyte he was selling with a smile and begged for more.

 

I know. I was one of them. He had to change his approach with me but he got me nonetheless. And he was.....irresistible. Now that I have grown the **** up a bit, I tell myself I would never fall for it again.........but..................who knows. I still love the dickbag.

[dasein]

People say all kinds of things that don't bear out. Women seem to have more of their BS reinforced due to "yes men" wanting to get with them ("Yeah, Coldplay is so original!" "I read Twilight too!" "Wicca has always appealed to me.") and illusionary false affirmation from other sources. So men, who get told pretty early from several angles when making claims about what they do, don't do, would or wouldn't do, like or don't like, want or don't want, "that's the most stupid thing I've ever heard you say, jackoff, you did the very opposite last weekend, how full of sh-t are you?" or "that sucks, your have sh-tty taste in..." tend to get what comes out of their mouths aligned with what they actually do and feel a bit earlier, but women do catch up and get real IME, some do anyway.

 

People are hot for whatever they are hot for, usually something they don't presently have combined with some undefined appeal. Many women have lots of faux adoring attention from supplicating men in their environment, so they already have that. What they don't have is approval from that guy, and this is the important part, that guy whom they feel is above them in some way, yet accessible and has gained value in their eyes, who told them the shoes they were wearing looked silly. Do the math.

 

None of the above has anything to do with misogyny.

[TheBigQuestion]

("Yeah, Coldplay is so original!" "I read Twilight too!" "Wicca has always appealed to me.")

 

to all of the above.

 

You can also add in "Nickelback isn't that bad."

 

[ThaWholigan]

HEY! I like Coldplay .

 

(I like a few of their songs.....)

 

And I've been into Astrology for years, which is typically seen as a woman thing for whatever reason. I can't say I got into it for supplicating reasons

[drr6]

Excellent point.

 

The "you are saying something critical because you are bitter" line is laughable in many instances.

Yeah, there are some guys who are bitter because they never got anywhere with women. But their opinions reek of inexperience.

On the other hand, guys who have been the most successful with women can also give the most honest or critical answers. Because they know women the best from experience, are not intimidated, and are not pandering for approval.

 

White knights are somewhere in the middle, afraid to give offense.

[Xinreeki]

I don't doubt that there are many women out there who fall for misogynistic men for one reason or another, especially when that association is mostly sex focused.

 

But not all women are the same! Just as not all men are the same!

 

That is usually the type of thinking I object to, because everyone is different, everyone is attracted to different things, to different types of people etc.

 

And if you want just sex then yes, bitterness and misogyny probably doesn't make that much difference.

 

But if you want to form a deep, emotional connection with someone, to create a solid long term relationship with another person, based on friendship and romantic attraction, then bitterness will in most cases be a turn off I should think.

 

Again, if sex is what you're looking for though, I'm sure there are plenty of women out there who will be attracted to / more than willing to hook up with confident guys, no matter what bitterness they are hiding etc.

[drr6]

My point simply is:

 

To say something critical of a woman or women in general ≠ You are bitter because you do not get laid.

 

If anything, the exact opposite is often true.

 

I don't doubt that there are many women out there who fall for misogynistic men for one reason or another, especially when that association is mostly sex focused.

 

But not all women are the same! Just as not all men are the same!

 

That is usually the type of thinking I object to, because everyone is different, everyone is attracted to different things, to different types of people etc.

 

And if you want just sex then yes, bitterness and misogyny probably doesn't make that much difference.

 

But if you want to form a deep, emotional connection with someone, to create a solid long term relationship with another person, based on friendship and romantic attraction, then bitterness will in most cases be a turn off I should think.

 

Again, if sex is what you're looking for though, I'm sure there are plenty of women out there who will be attracted to / more than willing to hook up with confident guys, no matter what bitterness they are hiding etc.

[Imported]

I always LOL...literally...I say L O L.....when a girl post that that **** doesn't work on her. Pretty sure I can use that **** of have her trampolining off my cock inside of three dates.

 

Guys explain stuff on how to get it done and every chick and homo white ka-night shoots it down. It is never the move you see coming that gets you and women can be pretty ****ing blind if you're pushing a lot of their buttons in the physical attraction area.

[pteromom]

It's also about what is healthiest for YOU.

 

You can't grow if you focusing on the external.

 

Even if women fall for misogynists, and even if men are bitter because they don't get laid, what good does it do anyone to focus on it? It doesn't change anything. It doesn't change society's "rules" to be bitter and angry and negative about them.

 

Growth comes from learning who YOU are, becoming comfortable with who YOU are, letting go of the need to please others or be controlled by their opinions, and staying true to your own values.

 

It really doesn't matter what other people do. Even in dating. You gotta find the person or people who are on your wavelength and focus on them rather than focusing on the ones who don't want you (and honestly, who you don't want either, whether you know it or not - nothing worse than being with someone you don't connect with at all.)

[Anela]

So stop complaining about being "nice guys," be a douche and see where that gets you.

 

I doubt that all women will fall for it. Or is this where, "you have to be over six-foot-tall, in excellent physical shape, make a lot of money and have a fancy car," comes into it?

 

I've empathized before, over several things, including the fact that I didn't get very far with men by being the type of woman they claimed to want (and being that way naturally, not putting anything on for their benefit). I was supposedly all sorts of wonderfulness, but they chased the women they continually complained about: the shallow, hot ones, who would look good on their arm, and boost their ego for a while.

[Estate]

... things like, "Well, if that's your view of women, then it's no wonder you aren't having any success with them. Women don't like guys who are misogynistic."

 

It's complete propaganda. There isn't any positive correlation between how much of a progressive-thinking, white knight a guy is, and how much he gets laid. I'm not a PUA guy at all, but I will say that the guys I've known who got laid the most, in addition to being tall and handsome, also held what would be considered misogynistic views and didn't think women were good for anything other than sex. It's actually a negative correlation.

 

I'm not saying it was their misogyny that got them laid all the time, but I'm saying they got laid in spite of the fact. I bet some of the women they banged were ones who hangout on Loveshack or Reddit saying, "I would never date a guy if I knew he thought women were boring, emotional creatures with no hobbies" (I remember one of my friends who's a ladies' man making fun of women for having no hobbies lol). I think that attractive guys are actually allowed to say misogynistic things. Because when they do, women just think, "Oh, he has so much experience with women, so he must have a point." Whereas, if an unattractive guy ever acts misogynistically, women will always tear him apart because they have the ammunition that is "You're just bitter because you can't get laid."

 

Ok.... to be honest this would take pages to actually explain to you but it ALL comes down to one thing.... guys like yourself want ONE quick fix answer to it all. ONE things, ONE belief, ONE viewpoint or ONE explanation for EVERYTHING you're doing wrong with women.... and its just not that way...

It's a combination of so many things.

 

You see it ALL so black and white when the world is just millions of shades of grey.

 

Mysogony isn't what gets guys laid. But guys who are like this often are like this BECAUSE they get laid often, they have the option to turn women down and still get sex elsewhere. These guys have status, power, confidence and other MANLY traits and girls want them.

 

But what are you talking about? What is success to you? Is it to get laid consistently? Or is it got get a girlfriend? Because we are talking about 2 totally different things here.

 

Here is the truth and what people just don't want to talk about.

 

Go to a nightclub this weekend... do you know how easy it is to get laid there? It's a piece of piss. It's simple. But you can't sleep with ANY girl there. Guys like these go for girls who are attracted to their status, power, money, etc... and yes, some girls ARE like this... but they also don't even look at a girl who isn't this type even if she's smoking hot, she won't go home with him.

Guys who have status, confidence and all those things have the potential to be mysogonistic if that is the lifestyle they choose, even if just for a short time. They know how to spot girls who are attracted to their type and use these qualities.

 

But they also know... they will get laid, get a cab home and never see or hear from this girl again. But they don't care!

 

These guys are not BF material unless they give up this lifestyle.

 

Yet another guy who DOES NOT crawl clubs, maybe he's not this type. He scans for the other types of girls, the ones who look pretty but also fun and intelligent... he goes and talks to her. He gets her number, he doesn't try to bed her that night, he tells her he wants to meet her that week and will call her.... and HE DOES! But HE also chose his target... he didn't want to "party girl", she will never be GF material, she will sleep with him then the other guy next week, or she'll leave him when something new and shiny comes along.

 

But he chooses the right girl, he didn't bed her that night but he meets her the next week, they have a great time. They go out again, 4 years later they are married and have a kid on the way, he couldn't be happier.

 

The first guy is still bedding new women every week, he doesn't care, he's young free and single and is having the time of his life.

 

 

So which one is successful to you? I don't get it. You seem to think all people are one type or another, but it's NOT LIKE THAT!!!!

 

This topic is so long and complex I can't even begin to go into all the nuances of it but the above is a summary.

Your problem is you just do not get it. You do not get people. You do not get how women work and that they are NOT ALL THE SAME!!!

 

Until you even just begin to understand this, you're gonna have a bad time.

[Anela]

Success with women is what made some of my friends misogynistic.

 

That's certainly how it worked for me.

 

Why? because they gave it up so easily?

I've heard of that before, which means that we can't win either way.

[fishtaco]

A quite common opening post, but the great responses made this into an interesting thread, IMHO.

 

I think everyone need to pick their own game. If your frat buddy is a complete jackhole to women, bangs them and tells them to GTFO, yet those same women keep coming back for more... good for him, if that's what he wants. But that doesn't mean it'll work for you. Like daesin said, it's usually a combination of defined and undefined qualities. When you play the damage game (i.e. make women want you with damaging/negative behavior), you are walking on thin ice. One wrong move and you're nothing but an *******. I'm not saying don't do that, because I firmly believe in all is fair in love and war, but I'm saying you better have those undefined qualities as well, whatever they are. For me, I don't know what those undefined qualities are, so I only do the bare minimum (like for example, not giving them as much attention as they want, which is really just kindergarten level stuff). But hey, if you know how to tell a chick she's unattractive and you rather bang her sister, but somehow that made her want you more, well, you know something I don't, more power to you.

 

And like some of the posters said. Many women will not fall for douches. It's true. But many women also will not fall for nice guys. No matter what you are, you'll have someone that want you for it, and someone that don't want you for it. The world is a big place, with all kinds of different people. As long as you meet the basics, i.e. reasonable hygiene, reasonable social abilities, you're good to go. You just need to pick a game (or a few) and run with it.

 

The Great One once said, "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take". Start taking shots and see what you get.

 

As for why women go for douches, who cares? They do what they want. As a man, I don't have the right to tell them what they should or should not do. The only thing I care about is making things work for me. Wonder about being a douche? Be one and see what happens. If it gets you what you want, keep doing it. If not, change your game.

[MomsSpaghetti]

Even if women fall for misogynists

 

I think I made it clear in my original post that I'm not saying that acting misogynistic will make women fall for you. I'm saying

 

(a) If you're an attractive guy, it's mostly inconsequential whether you act misogynistic or not. It might help a little? I dunno.

(b) If you're an unattractive guy and act misogynistic, then you'll get torn apart by women saying that you just act that way because you're bitter or because you're some desperate guy trying to pull PUA nonsense on her.

© Merely having misogynistic views is inconsequential, of course. Women on the internet always say, "If those are your views, then women won't like you." As if your views control whether or not she gets wet. lol it's just a ploy to spawn more white knights.

[Anela]

Because being successful with women ( doesn't have to be George Clooney level of womanizing ) exposes you to the harsh reality that what your mother, female peers, teachers and the media have been telling you about how to get women were lies.

 

The most extreme example? I have a really, really sweet friend who never got a single iota of positive female attention but still never a negative word about women. Ever.

 

Until he got a patent on something that ended up making him a very large amount of money.

 

How do you explain the men who "got women" without being a douche, or being millionaires? And were they going for regular women, or the hottest ones around? Although the hot ones aren't all shallow and only looking for money-laden men.

 

Did the money, or the fact that he achieved what he did, patenting something that made him that money, give him more confidence in himself?

[Anela]

I think I made it clear in my original post that I'm not saying that acting misogynistic will make women fall for you. I'm saying

 

(a) If you're an attractive guy, it's mostly inconsequential whether you act misogynistic or not. It might help a little? I dunno.

(b) If you're an unattractive guy and act misogynistic, then you'll get torn apart by women saying that you just act that way because you're bitter or because you're some desperate guy trying to pull PUA nonsense on her.

© Merely having misogynistic views is inconsequential, of course. Women on the internet always say, "If those are your views, then women won't like you." As if your views control whether or not she gets wet. lol it's just a ploy to spawn more white knights.

 

The men you tend to refer to as White Knights, are more likely to get the girl long-term. Regular sex, and companionship. Because they actually connect with women.

 

I saw on OKcupid yesterday: a girl who met this guy on there, two years ago - not that great-looking a guy, but she's head over heels in love with him and now married to him. They're very happy.

[Anela]

I'd say it was the €200k German luxury car.

 

That's because you're thinking negatively, and are biased against most women. At least you seem to be.

[SJC2008]

While I do agree that having a negative view of the opposite sex won't neccessariliy hurt your chances with them, I know for a fact your view of the opposite sex will affect the TYPE of person you attract. I refuse to belevie that all women are control freaks, even thought that's all I seem to attract lol. So what's the solution? The solution was to look at why I am drawn to and attract controlling women. One reason is that my mother is controlling and my father was passive and another reason is that controlling women need passive men. So if I want to attract a woman who isn't controlling, I need to be more assertive and less passive. It doesn't mean I have to be a jerk or a deuche, I can still be the good natured guy that I am. It just means I need to be more assertive and take the lead early on with women I meet and I'll know if they want to follow the mans lead or if they want to run the show.

[Anela]

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How old are her ovaries? Nice try. She's 26.

 

Mine are dessicated. My heart was broken by a "nice guy" who complained about women only wanting men for their cars, jobs, etc. That wasn't true, but what he wanted was those particular women. He made me feel like something was wrong with me - worked hard to achieve that - so don't give me that about your friend or this girl.

 

The girl's husband isn't rich, either.

[Anela]

No, it's not because im thinking negatively. It's because I've witnessed first hand the difference in female attention that comes with rolling up in a second hand Civic vs a brand new Audi.

 

Unless women can detect confidence through tinted windshields.

 

I've never been attracted to a man because of his car. "nice guy" didn't even have one. He lives in a place where he can use public transport.

[SJC2008]

Originally Posted by Anela

The men you tend to refer to as White Knights, are more likely to get the girl long-term once she can't get the men she truly desires to pay attention to her anymore. Regular sex, and companionship. Because most they actually connect with women have to settle at some point.

 

I saw on OKcupid yesterday: a girl who met this guy on there, two years ago - not that great-looking a guy, but she's head over heels in love with him and now married to him. They're very happy. How close to death are her ovaries?

 

Originally Posted by Anela

The men you tend to refer to as White Knights, are more likely to get the girl long-term once she can't get the men she truly desires to pay attention to her anymore. Regular sex, and companionship. Because most they actually connect with women have to settle at some point.

 

I saw on OKcupid yesterday: a girl who met this guy on there, two years ago - not that great-looking a guy, but she's head over heels in love with him and now married to him. They're very happy. How close to death are her ovaries?

 

Originally Posted by Anela

The men you tend to refer to as White Knights, are more likely to get the girl long-term once she can't get the men she truly desires to pay attention to her anymore. Regular sex, and companionship. Because most they actually connect with women have to settle at some point.

 

I saw on OKcupid yesterday: a girl who met this guy on there, two years ago - not that great-looking a guy, but she's head over heels in love with him and now married to him. They're very happy. How close to death are her ovaries?

 

The men you tend to refer to as White Knights, are more likely to get the girl long-term once she can't get the men she truly desires to pay attention to her anymore. Regular sex, and companionship. Because most they actually connect with women have to settle at some point.

 

I saw on OKcupid yesterday: a girl who met this guy on there, two years ago - not that great-looking a guy, but she's head over heels in love with him and now married to him. They're very happy. How close to death are her ovaries?

Originally Posted by Anela

The men you tend to refer to as White Knights, are more likely to get the girl long-term once she can't get the men she truly desires to pay attention to her anymore. Regular sex, and companionship. Because most they actually connect with women have to settle at some point.

 

I saw on OKcupid yesterday: a girl who met this guy on there, two years ago - not that great-looking a guy, but she's head over heels in love with him and now married to him. They're very happy. How close to death are her ovaries?

 

 

This is way OTT. Plenty of women get married and or have kids way before their clocks are ticking. Also, there are good women who slip through the cracks and AND there are the women who always dated jerks and then settled for a "nice guy" at the last minute. You seem to focus on the percentage that does the latter and make it seem like all women are like that.

[RogerWallace111]

I don't know about the part concerning physical appearance, but I can't deny what the OPs saying... Not all of my friends who I'd consider "ladies' men" are misogynists but the ones with the very highest numbers of conquests are. There's always some fake schmoozing on the front end though, they aren't being outright dicks from the get-go.

 

But I don't think appearance plays into it too much. In fact my friend who's had the absolute most women of all is not particularly attractive, has a very modestly-sized dick, and dresses kind of grungily. He just has this cocky/detached/self-absorbed air and dry, sarcastic sense of humor that women seem to find irresistible. And he's told me that after hes f*cked a girl once or twice he loses all interest (to his credit he said he did feel like a dick for it but it's just how it was). Honestly it disappoints/disgusts me to see him hook-up with a girl I particularly respect... But it also makes me wonder why I sometimes imagine certain girls as being so hard to crack. Cause he's gotten some otherwise incredibly cool/beautiful chicks...