Guys what you think of girls that carry weapons on a date?

June 3, 2013

OP, if I found out you carried a gun to dates I would also walk away never to contact you again.

You sound too dangerous to me. I have no intent of doing any harm to anyone else. Sorry that I am so much bigger than you. Maybe you should just try dating guys that are smaller than you. I'd recommend on dates till you get comfortable with a guy, keep it all public. Drive there in your own car, meet up in public, leave in public.

I think you carrying a gun is a direct threat to my life. Should I also be carrying a gun just in case you freak out and I have to cap you in the head from range so I don't end up dead? I mean, my size advantage is not going to matter when you are aiming a gun at me.

Edited June 3, 2013 by Imported

June 3, 2013

Having been on a lot of dates with women and out with women in public thousands of times, I can state I never gave a second thought to what was in their handbag or on their person. Hence, if the lady kept her pepper spray and her gun concealed, as they should be, and didn't make a big deal out of them, I'd be none the wiser.

Exactly. Plus these days carrying pepper spray or what have you is pretty standard.

I also love all the "Oh I'm scared she has a GUN" replies. Until you've been in a situation where you desperately wanted one but didn't have one you have no idea what you are talking about.

June 3, 2013

Exactly. Plus these days carrying pepper spray or what have you is pretty standard.

I also love all the "Oh I'm scared she has a GUN" replies. Until you've been in a situation where you desperately wanted one but didn't have one you have no idea what you are talking about.

pepper spray is within reason. Bringing a gun to the date shows an abnormal level of defensiveness, which can always be turned into offensiveness on a dime. Yknow jihad's supposed to be a "defensive war", right? and yet people are justifying that sending two airplanes into a bunch of innocent people is "defensive war". Defensiveness in people often make them assume the worst in their fellow man (or woman, w/e pc guys). They see the possibilities of their worst traits popping up in others, or imagined worst traits for the other gender. Just because you "feel" like bringing a gun is necessity doesn't mean it isn't a red flag for the other person. So yea, if you think you need to bring a gun to our date, feel free to. Just don't expect me to stick around after I've found out.

and no, I don't believe guns are a problem. I believe people who rely on guns are a problem. It's one thing to have a tool. It's another thing to feel like you always need it around. It's essentially a crutch, and it says a lot about your character.

June 4, 2013

Exactly. Plus these days carrying pepper spray or what have you is pretty standard.

I also love all the "Oh I'm scared she has a GUN" replies. Until you've been in a situation where you desperately wanted one but didn't have one you have no idea what you are talking about.

Exactly what situations have you been in where your life was threatened and you having a gun prevented bad things from happening to you? Don't make stuff up or imagine it to prove a point.

I have been around for a while. Been through wars, been shot at (ok, our airplane got shot at). I don't have a problem with guns. I do have a problem with a girl going out on a date with me, thinking she needs to have a gun in order to handle me, just in case. Where does the distrust end? How many dates before she isn't packing....just in case. Hey, maybe that will be the date where I actually try something villainy like. Or, if I was actually a bad guy, I can probably plan **** out where her having a gun isn't going to do her a lick of good.

I would think there would be more of a chance that a guy gets drunk, gets rowdy, she gets scared and...bang..he's dead.

I have never had the need for a gun outside of war. I have had many situations where it was a damn good thing I didn't have a gun.

June 4, 2013

I guess I'm the only one who would think it was hot that a chick was packing... a gun... i need to clarify that. lol.

Then again, if she had the intention of blowing my head off (not the good type of blowing of the head), and splattering my brains all over some dingy dinner... I'd be pretty creeped out too. Then again, I'd be dead, so I wouldn't have time to be creeped out.

June 4, 2013

I haven't read the whole thread but if you carry a weapon with you to a date you are a danger and what you do is also considered a felony.

If you can't handle dating strangers then don't do it... but if you do it act as a normal civilized person.

I think someone has watched 1 too many Clint Eastwood films...

June 4, 2013

I haven't read the whole thread but if you carry a weapon with you to a date you are a danger and what you do is also considered a felony.

If you can't handle dating strangers then don't do it... but if you do it act as a normal civilized person.

I think someone has watched 1 too many Clint Eastwood films...

It depends. Maybe in the Netherlands it is a fellony, but if OP is here in the US and has a concealed weapons permit it honestly depends on the state she lives in. If she is in Texas or some other pro gun state, she is most likely not breaking any laws. Now, whipping it out mid meal and popping off a frew rounds in to the ceiling will get you thrown in the slammer whereever you are in the world (except maybe Somalia).

June 4, 2013

It depends. Maybe in the Netherlands it is a fellony, but if OP is here in the US and has a concealed weapons permit it honestly depends on the state she lives in. If she is in Texas or some other pro gun state, she is most likely not breaking any laws. Now, whipping it out mid meal and popping off a frew rounds in to the ceiling will get you thrown in the slammer whereever you are in the world (except maybe Somalia).

Well she said she got it out and show it to him... so I guess that is a felony everywhere besides Somalia

June 4, 2013

Well she said she got it out and show it to him... so I guess that is a felony everywhere besides Somalia

Oh... well, then yes! Bad OP! No whipping things out mid meal. At least thats what Poppa used to always tell me!

June 4, 2013

Oh... well, then yes! Bad OP! No whipping things out mid meal. At least thats what Poppa used to always tell me!

Yeah... I would have love to see the face of the guy though... I can imaginge when I am dating a woman and she pack a gun in the middle of the first date...

One thing is clear, I don't think anyone will cheat on her :lmao:

June 4, 2013

Yeah... I would have love to see the face of the guy though... I can imaginge when I am dating a woman and she pack a gun in the middle of the first date...
One thing is clear, I don't think anyone will cheat on her :lmao:

Nope... I wouldn't. My fiance may be shy and overly nice southern bell... but she watches a lot of those true crime shows on ID Discovery (and I'm not talking CSI Miami etc... I'm talking like actual shows about actual murders) and wants to be a forensics tech. She never even says stuff like that in a threatening mannor... but I know those are like the only shows she watches. So if I die a mysterius death, you all know why. lol. :lmao:

I don't find it too odd either... she watches stuff about serial killers and I watch stuff about World War Two / The Holocaust...

June 4, 2013

Basically, I asked myself whether or not I'd ever be able to forgive myself if I were to find myself in a situation where I was utterly reliant on someone else (the police) to protect my loved ones, and I wasn't able to do anything but stand by and be helpless. I basically choose not to be helpless, though I pray that I never am in a situation where I'm forced to use it.

Forgive me I don't know how good shot you are but what would be the odds in your example on your wounding the attacker thus angering him so much the he shoots the hostage and several other people anyways?

My issue with this sort of thing is that most people would not have the presence of mind nor the skill to use their weapon effectively.

June 4, 2013

This thread is hilarious

June 4, 2013

As an aside:

When I was about 10 years old, a tragic incident unfolded at a grocery store that our family frequented. One of the grocery store worker's estranged husband came into the store in a rage (with a gun), in broad daylight, and started to drag the worker out of the store by her hair, repeatedly yelling that he was going to kill her.

Obviously, people took notice of this, especially since she was begging for someone to help her.

Good Samaritan No. 1 attempted, while still in the store, to verbally engage (reason with) with the attacker. He was shot dead.

The woman was then dragged out into the parking lot of the store. Good Samaritan No. 2, while in the parking lot, attempted to sneak up on the attacker and physically overpower him. He was also shot and killed.

The attacker then proceeded to shoot the woman in the head (dead), and then shoot himself in the head (dead). The incident was over by that point, with 4 people dead, three of them completely innocent.

The time that elapsed from when the attacker entered the store to when the last shot was fired, with his suicide, was less than 4 minutes. Yes the police were immediately called. They were not able to get there in time to stop any of this.

This all happened in a medium sized town, with a well funded, well trained police force, and average crime levels. It is no ghetto.

How would you respond to that? You're in that store, with your gun. The estranged husband yells he is going to kill his wife and is trying to drag her out of the store. You don't see that he has a gun yet (maybe he doesn't), just him yelling and being all angry like. How do you respond to that?

Also, do you carry a parachute when you board an airliner? Planes crash and there were probably one or two plane crashes where a parachute could have saved the persons life that had the foresight to bring one.

Edited June 4, 2013 by Imported

June 4, 2013

Sorry I'd dump you... I don't want guns anywhere near me. You'd go to jail for having a gun here anyway. Seriously what is it with you Americans? Maybe if you were dating in Democratic Republic of the Congo but in a civilised country???

In 2011 (couldn't find 2012), there were 11,101 gun homicides. 73,883 non fatal shootings.

To compare, there were 310 US casualities in 2012 at war in Afghanistan.

In my city, Baltimore, which isn't even that big of a city, there were 217 homicides in 2012. 181 were shootings. In the past month, there have been 17 fatal shootings. Last week, a 1 year old baby was killed by a bullet meant for his father. A student at Johns Hopkins University was robbed & killed recently.

It is not just drug dealers killing other drug dealers. There are many innocents.

I don't carry a gun around with me but I do have one, kept locked up in a safe in my bedroom.

# of US guns owned by civilians is estimated to be between 270,000,000 & 310,000,000. So we have just as many guns as we do people. (not counting policy & military guns).

I wish we didn't have guns here, but we do. Because criminals have guns, law abiding citizens feel they must have them to protect themselves.

I do carry pepper spray on my keychain.

June 4, 2013

Forgive me I don't know how good shot you are but what would be the odds in your example on your wounding the attacker thus angering him so much the he shoots the hostage and several other people anyways?

My issue with this sort of thing is that most people would not have the presence of mind nor the skill to use their weapon effectively.

These are very real and valid concerns. A gun (especially a small handgun typically used for concealed carry) is NOT a death ray-this isn't to say that one round cannot be immediately lethal, which it can be. BUT, statistically speaking, one is more likely to survive being shot with a handgun than not.

That said, this is where training comes into play. The better trained one is, the more level headed they'll be under pressure, the better their shot placement will be, and the threat will be dealt with in such a way that is not only legal, but ends the danger decisively and in such a way that doesn't cause collateral damage. This is why it is so important to keep training. Obtaining a permit to carry a gun is only the very first step, and the tip of the iceberg.

Proper training takes in an entire gamut of potential considerations: personal firearms safety, shot placement, legal considerations, whether or not it's wise (or legal) pull your gun in the first place, consideration of public safety (know your target and what is beyond it), etc.

Unfortunately, it is my opinion that it is FAR too easy to obtain a CCW. You wouldn't believe how many people in my class had never even seen a gun before, yet were legally "qualified" to apply for a permit a mere 16 hours and 300 rounds later. Even worse, the course I took was considerably longer and more comprehensive than many that are available (which can last as little as 4 hours and contain no live-fire exercises).

This is part of the reason that I think that the tenets of gun safety should be taught starting at an early age. The second one turns 18 in the U.S., you can go out a purchase a firearm (21 for handguns), with no questions asked in terms of whether or not you've ever received any training or whether you have the common sense and discretion necessary to own a deadly weapon.

In closing, I both agree and disagree with you. Your concerns are valid, to be sure. That said, I believe that they can be mitigated through proper and continuous training.

June 4, 2013

How would you respond to that? You're in that store, with your gun. The estranged husband yells he is going to kill his wife and is trying to drag her out of the store. You don't see that he has a gun yet (maybe he doesn't), just him yelling and being all angry like. How do you respond to that?

Below are the Colorado statutes regarding use of lethal force in defense of another person:

18-1-704 Use Of Physical Force In Defense Of A Person

1. Except as provided in subsections (2) and (3) of this section, a person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order

to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by that

other person, and he may use a degree of force which he reasonably believes to be necessary for that purpose.

2. Deadly physical force may be used only if a person reasonably believes a lesser degree of force is inadequate and:

a) The actor has reasonable grounds to believe, and does believe, that he or another person is in imminent danger of being killed or of

receiving great bodily injury; or

b) The other person is using or reasonably appears about to use physical force against an occupant of a dwelling or business

establishment while committing or attempting to commit burglary as defined in sections 18-4-202 to 184-204; or

c) The other person is committing or reasonably appears about to commit kidnapping as defined in section

18-3-301 or 18-3-302, robbery as defined in section 184-301 or 184-302, sexual assault as set forth in section

18-3-402 or 18-3-403, or assault as defined in sections 18-3-202 or 18-3-203.

3. Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (1) of this section, a person is not justified in using physical force if:

a) With intent to cause bodily injury or death to another person, he provokes the use of unlawful physical force by that other person; or

b) He is the initial aggressor, except that his use of physical force upon another person under the circumstances is justifiable if he

withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates to the other person his intent to do so, but the latter nevertheless continues

or threatens the use of unlawful physical force; or

c) The physical force involved is the product of a combat by agreement not specifically authorized by law.

----

Him yelling that he was going to kill her (while dragging her out of the store by her hair) makes a strong case, in my opinion, that a reasonable person would assume that his intent was, in fact, to kill her, and that her life was in immediate and immanent danger. I think it's highly plausible that a jury would find that an armed bystander would be legally justified in using deadly physical force, ESPECIALLY since the attacker was visibly brandishing a firearm.

If no firearm (or other weapon) was visible to anyone, then I think that's a much tougher call. I'm no lawyer, but I would suspect that such a situation would be much more difficult to justify lethal use of force.

Also, do you carry a parachute when you board an airliner? Planes crash and there were probably one or two plane crashes where a parachute could have saved the persons life that had the foresight to bring one.

I'd love to hear how exactly this hypothesis of yours ties in to what is being discussed in this thread.

June 5, 2013

In closing, I both agree and disagree with you. Your concerns are valid, to be sure. That said, I believe that they can be mitigated through proper and continuous training.

Sure. This is what we pay the likes of Hokie for on a professional level. A lot can be achieved by training and practice.

I do realise there is a complex issue in the US when it comes to firearms, it's not a matter of banning them with all the illegal stuff coming through the Mexican border even etc - let alone what is already in the country. You all want to protect your families, I get that.

In London we 'only' have about 1100 firearm incidents a year. That's not a particularly high number for 8 million people if you consider that this figure includes reports of fake firearms, bebe guns, etc. Fewer than a hundred are shot a year.

What we have issues with are knives. You can't carry them over a certain size so that has helped a lot to reduce knife crime, in the police you are given a 'stabby' which is a vest that withstands a lot of force - though officers will still get cut to ribbons by machetes but I digress.

There is a video footage of young offenders practicing stabbing dummies dressed up with a stabby to stab in places where the vest doesn't protect: in the neck, under the armpits, in the lower belly. These boys are in this institution locked up for a while with no hope for fitting into society, no future. What they do all day every day is practice stabbing officers. All day every day.

Now I don't know your criminals but I'd expect them to have the same mindset so when you say training and practice, you will be still facing men who have easily obtainable firearms and they practice how to kill people.

All day, every day.

Which is why you need to find a solution for the crazy amount of firearms you have loose in the US.

June 5, 2013

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I'd love to hear how exactly this hypothesis of yours ties in to what is being discussed in this thread.

Well I think that was clear... OP brings a weapon because she is afraid someone may do something to her... is comparable with someone bringing always a parachute to a plain because is afraid that the plain would crash...

You can't live life with fear...and less when your fear may put in danger other people life by carrying a weapon with you.

June 5, 2013

Well I think that was clear... OP brings a weapon because she is afraid someone may do something to her... is comparable with someone bringing always a parachute to a plain because is afraid that the plain would crash...

You can't live life with fear...and less when your fear may put in danger other people life by carrying a weapon with you.

I understand the concept is similar, but in practice, there are some big differences between carrying a concealed weapon and the parachute analogy in terms of practicality and scaling. Arguing that they are the same thing is ignorant and serves no purpose beyond being cheeky.

A person could come up with many examples of things that people "do out of fear". Wearing a seat belt when driving? Wearing a helmet when skiing? Martial arts training? Locking my doors at night? One could argue that all of those preparations are based in "fear" of the potential consequences of their absence. Does that mean that such things have no place?

As far as your argument that I'm in the wrong by carrying a weapon "because I might hurt someone else", I don't think that holds much water in this situation. Obviously, a reasonable person can deduce that certain weapons/chemicals/etc. should be restricted. I'm not advocating for an absence of regulation or control on a reasonable level. If anything, I'd advocate for more control, but that's besides the point.

I'll concede that our individual ideas of what is reasonable are probably a lot different. I'm not going to try to convince you that your "unicorns and rainbows" worldview is wrong, as you're entitled to feel however you want to feel. However, your insinuation that my choice is somehow irresponsible is laughable. Should I refrain from driving my car because I could hit someone and kill them? Or should I remain a competent and diligent driver?

June 5, 2013

Sure. This is what we pay the likes of Hokie for on a professional level. A lot can be achieved by training and practice.

This is why I have Hokie on speed dial, just in case I'm watching "Batman" and some tweaker decides to shoot up the theater. I'm sure he'd be there in no time to bail us out.

(No offense to Hokie here, btw. But come on, E...)

I do realise there is a complex issue in the US when it comes to firearms, it's not a matter of banning them with all the illegal stuff coming through the Mexican border even etc - let alone what is already in the country. You all want to protect your families, I get that.

In London we 'only' have about 1100 firearm incidents a year. That's not a particularly high number for 8 million people if you consider that this figure includes reports of fake firearms, bebe guns, etc. Fewer than a hundred are shot a year.

What we have issues with are knives. You can't carry them over a certain size so that has helped a lot to reduce knife crime, in the police you are given a 'stabby' which is a vest that withstands a lot of force - though officers will still get cut to ribbons by machetes but I digress.

There is a video footage of young offenders practicing stabbing dummies dressed up with a stabby to stab in places where the vest doesn't protect: in the neck, under the armpits, in the lower belly. These boys are in this institution locked up for a while with no hope for fitting into society, no future. What they do all day every day is practice stabbing officers. All day every day.

Now I don't know your criminals but I'd expect them to have the same mindset so when you say training and practice, you will be still facing men who have easily obtainable firearms and they practice how to kill people.
All day, every day.

Absolutely. And guess what? They're going to have this mindset whether I carry my pistol or not. I'd rather have a snowball's chance in hell of being able to defend myself and my loved ones than just accept that I'll be helpless and hope that nothing ever happens.

Which is why you need to find a solution for the crazy amount of firearms you have loose in the US.

This is opening up an entirely different debate. I don't know what the right answer is. I'm not even sure how anyone could do this (eliminate all of the civilian-owned guns in the U.S.). Even so, I don't think American values would ever (of course, never say never... ) allow the policies that countries such as the U.K. have in place.

June 7, 2013

I understand the concept is similar, but in practice, there are some big differences between carrying a concealed weapon and the parachute analogy in terms of practicality and scaling. Arguing that they are the same thing is ignorant and serves no purpose beyond being cheeky.

A person could come up with many examples of things that people "do out of fear". Wearing a seat belt when driving? Wearing a helmet when skiing? Martial arts training? Locking my doors at night? One could argue that all of those preparations are based in "fear" of the potential consequences of their absence. Does that mean that such things have no place?

As far as your argument that I'm in the wrong by carrying a weapon "because I might hurt someone else", I don't think that holds much water in this situation. Obviously, a reasonable person can deduce that certain weapons/chemicals/etc. should be restricted. I'm not advocating for an absence of regulation or control on a reasonable level. If anything, I'd advocate for more control, but that's besides the point.

I'll concede that our individual ideas of what is reasonable are probably a lot different. I'm not going to try to convince you that your "unicorns and rainbows" worldview is wrong, as you're entitled to feel however you want to feel. However, your insinuation that my choice is somehow irresponsible is laughable. Should I refrain from driving my car because I could hit someone and kill them? Or should I remain a competent and diligent driver?

Driving a car has the purpose of bringing you from one to another place, when it is possible that you may harm someone by accident it is not the purpose of the use of your car.

Bringing a weapon with you have the only purpose of harming someone if you feel threatened. A weapon is a tool created with the solely idea of harming others (even when you may claim self defense the fact is that you are using it to harming someone).

Living life scared about what other people may do to you is definitely not a healthy receipt for a happy life.

I don't know where did you get the impression that I live in a world filled with unicorns and rainbows, if you would know something of my life you would know that my life have been threatened much more often than any normal person (I even had to flee for a whole year to another country to avoid getting killed) but I have never (EVER) brought a weapon with me. If you bring a weapon with you, you are a danger for people around you, as threat can be perceived where it doesn't exist and you may harm innocent people.

June 7, 2013

Guys, what would you think if either the girl brought this up in a conversation or you found out about it by accident?

As long as she carried them routinely and NOT just because she was going on a date with me, I'd be perfectly fine with it. Hell, I might be packing my own little subcompact and we could compare weapons of choice.

June 7, 2013

Just make sure everyone knows the safety word when things start getting hot and heavy. I don't want to get tased and her think I like it

June 7, 2013

Driving a car has the purpose of bringing you from one to another place, when it is possible that you may harm someone by accident it is not the purpose of the use of your car.

Bringing a weapon with you have the only purpose of harming someone if you feel threatened. A weapon is a tool created with the solely idea of harming others (even when you may claim self defense the fact is that you are using it to harming someone).

I would not be legally or morally justified in harming someone just because I "felt threatened". There are very specific instances where use of lethal force is justified by the law, and "feeling threatened" is not among them. If I kill or injure someone, even out of legally justifiable self defense or legally justifiable defense of another, it will be looked at very closely by a jury. Prosecution lawyers will do their best to paint a grim picture of me. My entire life, actions and psyche would be dissected and re-dissected publicly. I have no incentive, legally or morally, to act like a tough guy, or Clint Eastwood, or any other billy-badass. If I do kill someone, it will be because it was a situation where it was either him or me (or a loved one) in that immediate situation (not after the fact or preemptively), not because I simply got my hackles up.

Living life scared about what other people may do to you is definitely not a healthy receipt for a happy life.

I agree. I'm not sure where you get the idea that carrying a weapon is indicative that one is more or less "scared" than anyone else. There's a difference between paranoia (unhealthy) and situational awareness/common sense (healthy, "fear" based decision making).

I don't know where did you get the impression that I live in a world filled with unicorns and rainbows, if you would know something of my life you would know that my life have been threatened much more often than any normal person (I even had to flee for a whole year to another country to avoid getting killed) but I have never (EVER) brought a weapon with me. If you bring a weapon with you, you are a danger for people around you, as threat can be perceived where it doesn't exist and you may harm innocent people.

I'm sorry that you've had to deal with persecution for whatever the reason was. And you're right: I don't know you. My earlier comment about "unicorns and rainbows" was unwarranted, and I apologize.

Here's my question to you though: you're saying that you were in serious enough danger where you had to flee your country for a year, yet you never carried a weapon of any sort (knife, gun, baton, mace, etc.). I'm not overly familiar with the types of rights citizens in your area of the world have or don't have, but if you had the ability and right to purchase a firearm, and you were in legitimate danger for your life, you seriously wouldn't even consider carrying a gun?

It seems that a lot of people seem to have this picture in their heads that someone who owns and carries a firearm has more potential for violence or being paranoid of the world around them than their unarmed brethren. While there are certainly examples of this being true (OP, for example), in my experience, CCW holders/hunters/competition shooter types tend to be the MOST leveled headed and gun safety minded, and the LEAST likely to commit crimes. This is statistically supported.

The most dangerous people with guns are the people who have 1) obtained them illegally (not the case with CCW holders) 2) have not taken any interest or time to learn gun safety, obtain training, or understand the laws as they pertain to them (again, not the case with most CCW holders, though as I mentioned before, I think that training requirements should be more stringent). 3) mentally deficient/violent individuals (this is where we need some sort of legislative reform, along with more public awareness of this issue).

Life is indeed a precious and fragile thing. I think it's important that people who own firearms understand the destructive power of guns and understand the potential finality of the consequences of using them. Having respect for life and respect for the weapon is essential in owning it and carrying it responsibly, in my opinion.

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