Maybe you "ugly" guys can try this

May 9, 2013

Some of the women here crack me up. I like you Treasa but puting ugly in your title was a poor word choice. It was just like another thread a woman started about "whiners" where a quadruple amputee had a girlfriend and then there was the "Real Women" thread, implying struggling men are holding our for cover models. Also, on this forum a man can be called a deuche and jerk (I've done it myself) but when I was upset by a rude woman I encountered at a bar and called her a bitch and word that rhymes with punt I took a beating for it. It doesn't mean I think all women are that in the least. I have no problem calling a jerk a jerk and a deuche and likewise for the opposite sex.

May 9, 2013

Jeremy Renner has the sexiest actor personality that I can think of.

Also, unlike Krasinski, you get the feeling there's a lot going on beneath the surface (still waters run deep), which is partly why he's such a good actor. He's not that physically attractive but I find him insanely hot because of his personality.

And his acting style, he has this animalistic quality. He doesn't think, just does. Very masculine. And he seems surprisingly ego free as actors go.

Edited May 9, 2013 by tuxedo cat

May 9, 2013

So, how can one just wake up one day and feel "happy"? Should I take medication?

I also do think it does show occasionally, but I don't think I often feel "woe is me", I just feel frustrated with myself, if anything. I think other people would say that I'm laid back, quick with a joke, and often can make a joke at my own expense, without making it seem as if I actually believe what I'm saying..

I just don't have "confidence" in the sense that while *I* believe that I'm an awesome person internally, *I* don't believe that I'm physically attractive in general, and so at best I might be good for platonic relationships with the opposite sex. I'm OK with that, I like people, male or female. I'm not trying to force anything on anyone.

I blame no one. I don't blame the average girl for not really noticing me or seeing me in that way over other more attractive guys. And yet I don't bow my head, bend over for total strangers who I perceive as "better looking".. I believe that I'm worthy, but I don't believe that others feel the same way due to the way I've been treated in the past.

If anything, I just blame myself, the genetic make-up that may render me unattractive to a large number of people. I didn't ask for anyone's pity, and it doesn't matter how I feel about myself, negative or positive.. It doesn't change my appearance and what the majority of people may even subconsciously perceive of it.

And even if you do not believe me, I do NOT wallow in my pity from day to day, once I go outside and step away from the keyboard, it actually really helps with my mindset and my mood, and most of the time, even at their worst, my feelings are neutral. I can even crack a smile, can have idle chit chat in the heat of the moment, whatever.. Those other thoughts vanish, and I'm no longer sitting alone at home as I most often do obsessing over all of my flaws and spending time trying in vain to fix or change them.

This. This so much. He won. He won the game. This is how I feel. I don't go around every day feeling sorry for myself per say, but its hard not to feel like a defect. Despite whatever people say, despite what they may tell you, not having female attention at a certain age is NOT normal. It's not anticipated, it's not something you plan for it to happen, it just does. And then waiting takes soooooooooo long. Tomorrow may be a better day, but tomorrow never comes. As you said, I just blame my ****ty genetics for not making me aesthetic enough or giving me a good enough base to start from. I can guarantee if I was more aesthetic facially and bodily, I would certainly not be having the problems I do today.

May 9, 2013

Hot is subjective. This is what I was trying to communicate in the post below.

What was perfect was that Divasu gave her subjective opinion of the men I linked which differed from my preferences.

When the guys on this site finally figure out that there's no universality behind attraction, even though they personally might have their own subjective preferences and instead of hyper focusing on what they don't have, focus on what they do and tweak a few traits that don't appeal to the women they prefer, maybe they'll finally find women that will date them.

Reynolds -- No. Nice guy, hot, but bland personality.

Hugh Jackman -- No. Hot but phoney.

Cumberbatch -- No. Never seen this guy before or anything he's been in. Intelligent but cold based on that interview. He actually chills me a little, he seems so emotionless.

It really is subjective!

May 9, 2013

There's a VERY fine line with self-deprecation. Most guys use it in excess, or focused on a particular flaw(s), and it's a major turnoff.

I never do self-deprecation. It only lowers status. And if you're a guy like me, you need all the status you can get.

May 9, 2013

Some of the women here crack me up. I like you Treasa but puting ugly in your title was a poor word choice. It was just like another thread a woman started about "whiners" where a quadruple amputee had a girlfriend and then there was the "Real Women" thread, implying struggling men are holding our for cover models. Also, on this forum a man can be called a deuche and jerk (I've done it myself) but when I was upset by a rude woman I encountered at a bar and called her a bitch and word that rhymes with punt I took a beating for it. It doesn't mean I think all women are that in the least. I have no problem calling a jerk a jerk and a deuche and likewise for the opposite sex.

You did notice the quotes I used, right? As in "ugly" meaning that a lot of guys here think they are ugly, but that does not make them ugly, nor do I think they're ugly, from the few I've seen.

Anyone who tries to take this thread for what I intended will see that I was trying to be complimentary.

Also, I have no problems calling women out for being cunts. I'm an equal opportunity defender of both men and women.

May 9, 2013

Jeremy Renner has the sexiest actor personality that I can think of.
Also, unlike Krasinski, you get the feeling there's a lot going on beneath the surface (still waters run deep), which is partly why he's such a good actor. He's not that physically attractive but I find him insanely hot because of his personality.

And his acting style, he has this animalistic quality. He doesn't think, just does. Very masculine. And he seems surprisingly ego free as actors go.

Lol I wonder why his nervousness is cute? My nervousness is women repellant!

May 9, 2013

People can get defensive if they want about my word choices, my phrasing, my thoughts, whatever. I meant them in the best possible light, and if people STILL choose to receive them negatively, there isn't a damn thing I can do about it except continue to be happy in my own life. At least there are people out there trying to help. I assure you that I don't put myself out there to get slammed by super insecure individuals. Thank God I'm so confident, or else people here would have scared me off a long time ago.

Also, I dare a single guy to message me with a picture. I will point out every good feature I see in you. Happy people see good things. I wish more people got that.

May 9, 2013

Another option is simply don't date, or don't go after women who are more likely to be superficial. I think most ugly men go after 9s and 10s merely because society emphasises going after the hottest women, but realise their chances of doing so are lesser. Go after 6s or 7s instead.

So, go after:

http://www.fashionica.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/43c24e29-f7d9-4f92-ac2f-540aa087ab89.jpg

Instead of:

http://www.thebestgossip.com/uploaded_images/CINDY-CRAWFORD-NEWS-HOLLYWOOD-767946.jpg

Are you kidding me with this ****, dude? I'm not going after 9s and 10s. I like average girls. The girl on the top doesn't even look that bad. The one on the bottom looks terrible. I hope that's not your vision of a "10".

May 9, 2013

You did notice the quotes I used, right? As in "ugly" meaning that a lot of guys here think they are ugly, but that does not make them ugly, nor do I think they're ugly, from the few I've seen.

Anyone who tries to take this thread for what I intended will see that I was trying to be complimentary.

Also, I have no problems calling women out for being cunts. I'm an equal opportunity defender of both men and women.

Yeah I know you used quotes and I've seen many of your posts so I know you meant well but I don't think it was the greatest word choice, nor were the titles/intentions of the other two threads.

Lol @ the bold, I know you don't take sides. I wasn't speaking of you, you should know me better than that by now:)

May 9, 2013

Are you kidding me with this ****, dude? I'm not going after 9s and 10s. I like average girls. The girl on the top doesn't even look that bad. The one on the bottom looks terrible. I hope that's not your vision of a "10".

Yes I also find the first girl to be more pretty. She just looks cuter to me.

May 9, 2013

Jeremy Renner has the sexiest actor personality that I can think of.
Also, unlike Krasinski, you get the feeling there's a lot going on beneath the surface (still waters run deep), which is partly why he's such a good actor. He's not that physically attractive but I find him insanely hot because of his personality.

And his acting style, he has this animalistic quality. He doesn't think, just does. Very masculine. And he seems surprisingly ego free as actors go.

Yea more actors....

He soooo sexy blah blah blah

May 9, 2013

Yeah I know you used quotes and I've seen many of your posts so I know you meant well but I don't think it was the greatest word choice, nor were the titles/intentions of the other two threads.

Lol @ the bold, I know you don't take sides. I wasn't speaking of you, you should know me better than that by now:)

Meh, you can think what you want of my word choices. I've never claimed to be perfect, but I do put thought into how I phrase things, and I don't rescind any of it. If people want to take it badly, that's on them.

May 9, 2013

Jeremy Renner has the sexiest actor personality that I can think of.
Also, unlike Krasinski, you get the feeling there's a lot going on beneath the surface (still waters run deep), which is partly why he's such a good actor. He's not that physically attractive but I find him insanely hot because of his personality.

And his acting style, he has this animalistic quality. He doesn't think, just does. Very masculine. And he seems surprisingly ego free as actors go.

Where he's too nervous for my taste.

I much preferred him as Hawkeye in the Avengers. Cool and calm under any circumstance. Very concise body language, hitting every movement with no wasted energy. Now that's hot!

He also did an amazing job in Hurt Locker but his character wasn't hot by any stretch of the imagination.

May 9, 2013

Jeremy Renner has the sexiest actor personality that I can think of.
Also, unlike Krasinski, you get the feeling there's a lot going on beneath the surface (still waters run deep), which is partly why he's such a good actor. He's not that physically attractive but I find him insanely hot because of his personality.

And his acting style, he has this animalistic quality. He doesn't think, just does. Very masculine. And he seems surprisingly ego free as actors go.

I have a friend who has the hots for Renner.

May 9, 2013

Treasa, the moral of this thread is don't bother trying to help Team Hopeless. Necris, Pompeii (and a few newer guys by the looks of it) are more interested in self-loathing than putting in the work for positive change.

Well, I still hold a sliver of hope for Sanitarium because he seems to try sometimes but he does throw out lots of negative declarations.

This is so much like my personal training business. Often, what people say they want does not match the actions they take.

May 9, 2013

I understand your point.

And my point is that struggling dudes (ugly or not) rarely go for 9s and 10s. If you would consider the first a woman a solid 6, I have mostly gone for women below that.

Average women want and can get hot guys (another story for another thread). So, setting the bar lower physically does not really get the job done.

This idea that people have said that average guys are approaching these 9's and 10's at the rate people say they do is absurd.

There's no way to sugar coat the fact that if a man is talking to an average looking chick who has at least one redeeming physical quality that the man finds attractive, he's thinking to himself "i actually have a chance here, she's not Victoria Secret model"

Most men are in the 4,5,6 range (5 being the median and 4 and 6 being the closest competition) and these people can't convince me that men who are looks rated 4 thru 6 are approaching 9s and 10s on a fairly regular basis...it just doesnt happen as often as you think.

May 9, 2013

Meh, you can think what you want of my word choices. I've never claimed to be perfect, but I do put thought into how I phrase things, and I don't rescind any of it. If people want to take it badly, that's on them.

Its not that they are taking it badly. The discord for the posters who perceive themselves to be ugly is your point of behaving like an actor. They see actors as the direct opposite of themselves. For the ladies posting about being able to discern an actor's personality by what you see on the screen (large and/or small). Sorry, but what you see on screen is only an act. For example how many women over the years fawned over how great, confident, etc., Mel Gibson was only to find out his real persona was that of a bigot and a drunk.

May 9, 2013

Meh, you can think what you want of my word choices. I've never claimed to be perfect, but I do put thought into how I phrase things, and I don't rescind any of it. If people want to take it badly, that's on them.

Its not that they are taking it badly. The discord for the posters who perceive themselves to be ugly is your point of behaving like an actor. They see actors as the direct opposite of themselves. For the ladies posting about being able to discern an actor's personality by what you see on the screen (large and/or small). Sorry, but what you see on screen is only an act. For example how many women over the years fawned over how great, confident, etc., Mel Gibson was only to find out his real persona was that of a bigot and a drunk.

May 9, 2013

Treasa, the moral of this thread is don't bother trying to help Team Hopeless. Necris, Pompeii (and a few newer guys by the looks of it) are more interested in self-loathing than putting in the work for positive change.

Well, I still hold a sliver of hope for Sanitarium because he seems to try sometimes but he does throw out lots of negative declarations.

This is so much like my personal training business. Often, what people say they want does not match the actions they take.

Really. You're trying to lump me in with a bunch of people I don't know? Wow. I don't know if you know, but I am making steps to be aesthetic, as I know that will bring success. So go take a hike if you think otherwise.

May 9, 2013

Really. You're trying to lump me in with a bunch of people I don't know? Wow. I don't know if you know, but I am making steps to be aesthetic, as I know that will bring success. So go take a hike if you think otherwise.

You're already a gym-goer - go download "The Handsome Factor" via torrent. Hope that helps.

May 9, 2013

Its not that they are taking it badly. The discord for the posters who perceive themselves to be ugly is your point of behaving like an actor. They see actors as the direct opposite of themselves. For the ladies posting about being able to discern an actor's personality by what you see on the screen (large and/or small). Sorry, but what you see on screen is only an act. For example how many women over the years fawned over how great, confident, etc., Mel Gibson was only to find out his real persona was that of a bigot and a drunk.

Again, they are completely missing the point of my post, which was NOT to become an actor, but to....oh, **** it. I made it clear in my original post what the point was. If people don't have good reading comprehension, I can't change that.

May 9, 2013

Again, they are completely missing the point of my post, which was NOT to become an actor, but to....oh, **** it. I made it clear in my original post what the point was. If people don't have good reading comprehension, I can't change that.

Treasa, I've tried for a year since I got here.

Trust me, save it for those who want it .

May 9, 2013

Again, they are completely missing the point of my post, which was NOT to become an actor, but to....oh, **** it. I made it clear in my original post what the point was. If people don't have good reading comprehension, I can't change that.

I thought i was clear when i said "behaving like an actor" never did i state anything about becoming one. Btw your last sentence should read "If people do not possess good reading comprehension skills"

May 9, 2013

I can see how some girls might find this funny but really, this is the kind of stuff people did in high school to get laughs.

Humour is subjective too anyway.

I've never considered myself as someone that has a great sense of humour... but when I attempt to make people laugh, it's usually something with a bit more substance than lip syncing to cheesey pop tunes... Then again I'm not ugly so getting women's attention was never a big challenge for me

ps. The guys in the video are several thousand km away from ugly.

Edited May 9, 2013 by lino
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