BoneyHadger Posted May 21, 2013 Posted May 21, 2013 (edited) But there is also the fact that I'm terrified that I will end up just friends with her. To me that equals a complete and utter failure. Why exactly would that be a failure? If you actually become friends with her, congratulations, you just developed a close relation in your life! Not every relation with every woman in the world has to include sex, you know? BTW plenty to learn from others here. Duly noting... Edited May 21, 2013 by BoneyHadger
Woohoo Posted May 21, 2013 Posted May 21, 2013 I agree with you. But there is also the fact that I'm terrified that I will end up just friends with her. To me that equals a complete and utter failure. I'm trying to be funny and flirt, but I just know I'm not taking things far enough. I'm also afraid of coming across as obviously interested because that always results in them running away. In the very begging I told her that I would really like to take her on a date, so I really hope she still has that on mind as I try to make plans with her. When it comes to appearing "obviously interested," well, that is actually good. Without having the courage to express sincere interest the other person will often take the easy route and friendzone you. You have to make being attracted to you easy. Don't do this by asking her what she wants. Feel her out in your mind and know her better than she does. You can't ask for women for this guidance. Sorry ladies, and let me explain why. When I was in college I had more than a few hook-ups. Well, I ran into one girl who I dug and was cool, but she went super jerk and told everyone I WAS NOT UP TO HER STANDARDS. Ow. Suddenly, my lady friends ALL found me not attractive. It was brutal. It was not that I wasn't attractive, it was like suddenly becoming damaged goods (errr...unacceptably damaged). So I asked one friend what happened. She said I seemed less confident and didn't flirt anymore. We went out and I asked her to help me, found a girl and asked her how I should approach. She replied with, "uh, flirt," "How?" You know, flirt? Oh. Well I got shot down (several times) then I asked what happened she said I was not confident. I asked what to do different, she didn't know. Women do not understand the role of the pursuer or the obstacles. After a depressing few months I went and found her, bedded her, and took her panties (yeah, yeah). Carried them on my belt when I went to a place where many women who I had relationships with were hanging. In retrospect she thought I was out of her league, so she couldn't have me, so instead she took me down a notch (very successfully) I ended up back on top, of several women. Of course the real scary thing is once you figure this out, and understand it, it is easy to become selfish and sleep with a LOT of women. Women get angry about it, which is good, it shows they care, nothing stings more than indifference, I'd rather seething hatred than indifference. I'd rather be a player than unwanted, and their isn't much middle ground. In a sense most women have a privilege in not having to do the approach and pursuit, we men are expected to put on a show for women, one we never attend. The thing is, once you master being that show, you are an exemplary man by definition. You are desirable. While time may fade her beauty, and result in invisibility for her, you can play until the end. It just requires a willingness to be honest with yourself. And before some ladies get up in arms over it, once in a rare (I mean VERY rare) while I've run into women who had game. You can become the pursuer, but then again, you will have to face the arbitrary and fickle nature of being the pursuer. The power is entirely in someone else's hands, you have to be so enticing that they literallly want to intensely give to you. Self-Made man was written by Norah Vincent. She is an open/out lesbian and described the differences of her experience in going in drag as a man one night. It was so alien she developed a male alter ego and transformed herself into a passable man. She had many experiences including some she never imagined. Despite knowing what it was like to be approached by men who were attracted to her in the past, she described in detail the contradictory and heavy expectations involving men and dating, especially the approach (I believe she only lasted 3 days on the public approach circuit before going to online dating exclusively due to ego bruising. That is with her KNOWING what it was like to be on the other side. We men have NO idea! While being judged on looks alone as a woman angered her, as a man she found it nightmarish to have all these other traits evaluated, job, future, status, height, etc. She missed the shallowness. I highly recommend this book to you, or anyone interested in gender and culture. What must you watch for? It is the begging that is a turn off. The "please desire me" vibe that scares women. You want a woman to want you, that requires you coming across as a challenge etc. (which are results, not actions, which is one reason it is so hard to learn) Remember, unsafe and tension are two separate things. Putting her on the spot, being unfair, etc. create tension, which you want, many men develop an aversion to this tension because they relate to failure. Make all the decisions and setups early on. You can then feel out how much the woman needs to be led. Something that helped me coming out of everything, well, probably won't apply to you, but it you should hear. When traveling etc. I have ended up in motels. One thing I always love is running into groups of migrant workers who do not speak English. I'd get a cheap bottle of Vodka go down, share it. Play some guitar with them (seems like classic rock saturated EVERY culture in America) they may not know the words but hum along. Learn a few songs I can't sing with them etc. Simply put, it is communication without words. When we have trouble knowing what is going on etc. we often verbalize and ask questions. The easiest exercise in the world is to communicate with children. Hard to not make them laugh and smile because it is so sincere. In the end, learn to communicate and focus on non-verbal communication. DO NOT try and fill up the space with words. SHUT UP! You can do tons of crazy stuff and women will love it, it has to be more than words. Verbal intelligence alone is boring. Have a huge arsenal of different ways to communicate. Metaphor, games, movement, etc. God, I don't want to be just friends. Bonus points for Lady Gaga quote! The answer to the friendzone is simple. NO! I got plenty of friends, no worries. Of course at that point it is over, it is how you can save face and then try again in a few months. After using this simple NO and refusing the friendzone all you have to do is work on yourself for a few months, communicate that, and when you come back you can get another evaluation! Finally, if you do start another thread then be certain too pm me so I don't miss it! In regards to complete failure. You got this far this time. If you have learned anything you got enough to get this far MOST THE TIME! Oh. Shut up, listen and think, when you choose words make them strong. That is the most important lesson. Anyone else you can practice this on, just listen, and say nothing. Do not comfort, do not reassure, DO NOT GIVE AN OPINION ESPECIALLY AS FACT. Then communicate what you want in as few words as you can. Use other types of language (body etc.) when you can. It really is simple. Good luck. And to any ladies reading this and offended, assume the statements above in a positive light first. My views are much more advanced and detailed than this. So keep that in mind. I can offer better explanations that most likely align with your view when you want to point out details. Wrote this quick, dirty, and much longer than I expected. Let me know.
Revolver Posted May 21, 2013 Posted May 21, 2013 I don't see what the disagreement with somedude is. He's 100 percent right Being friends with girls and having them romantically interested or seeing you in a sexual light is a whole different thing.
Teknoe Posted May 21, 2013 Posted May 21, 2013 Woohoo, got a q for ya. In general, is it a good or bad idea to SLIGHTLY (i.e. not doing it too much, not going overboard with it) "brag" to your crush that other ladies are/might be interested in you? My crush and I were texting back and forth yesterday, and I mentioned I think a coworker might be into me, because lately I've noticed her behavior around me has changed. Lots of questions, lots of eye contact, laughing at every one of my jokes (even the horrible ones) and yesterday she said "WOW MR. TEK!" when I came in with a new shirt (that I admit I did look nice in) Obviously you don't want to brag about it, or beat it to the ground, but does mentioning it in context with whatever convo you're having with your crush enhance you a bit? Maybe create some tension/urgency/jealousy? Or is it a general rule of thumb that you shouldn't talk about other girls around your crush? FTR, I don't have a crush on this coworker, and did NOT mention to my crush that I liked her whatsoever. Just told her I feel she is digging me, but didn't provide a perspective on how I feel about said coworker.
Woohoo Posted May 21, 2013 Posted May 21, 2013 Woohoo, got a q for ya. In general, is it a good or bad idea to SLIGHTLY (i.e. not doing it too much, not going overboard with it) "brag" to your crush that other ladies are/might be interested in you? My crush and I were texting back and forth yesterday, and I mentioned I think a coworker might be into me, because lately I've noticed her behavior around me has changed. Lots of questions, lots of eye contact, laughing at every one of my jokes (even the horrible ones) and yesterday she said "WOW MR. TEK!" when I came in with a new shirt (that I admit I did look nice in) Obviously you don't want to brag about it, or beat it to the ground, but does mentioning it in context with whatever convo you're having with your crush enhance you a bit? Maybe create some tension/urgency/jealousy? Or is it a general rule of thumb that you shouldn't talk about other girls around your crush? FTR, I don't have a crush on this coworker, and did NOT mention to my crush that I liked her whatsoever. Just told her I feel she is digging me, but didn't provide a perspective on how I feel about said coworker. Good question. We all want our partners to be attractive. When you observe other people being attracted to your partner you get a feeling of pride, yeah, their mine, and possibly fear depending on how attractive the person approaching is . When people rag on your partner, you feel shame. In fact this is a major reason for what IS considered attractive varies culture to culture. Translation : I can walk long and tall with sexy on my arm! AND I WILL! The simple answer is you want to COMMUNICATE that other women are interested in you, but not "brag". Here is a sample approach to doing this in conversation. A strong story about said co-worker and her looking for your attention, you can display both that you have someone after you and not brag. You : Awww man, I went to work with my new shirt, "so'n'so" lost her **** over it? Her : Huh, She was mad? You got in trouble over a *whatever shirt*? That's messed up. You : Nah, she went all crazy. Like over the top. If I knew shirts could get that reaction I would buy more. Her : Wait, who? You : Some girl. She's cool. Her : Oh, uh, what is she like? You : Cool. Her : Is she hot? You : (Answer slowly, mull it over, change your evaluation a couple of times, your shifting thoughts will verify that she is in fact, not undesirable) She's......................alright. *conversation continues, only let out a few bits of info* You : Haha, so *change subject* *if she does not follow the subject change THEN ask her why she wants to talk about it so much?* (or if you wanna play the true ahole card demand that she accuse you of cheating and not dance around the subject, if she doesn't accuse, then say their is nothing to discuss) Remember, a confident attractive person will by definition have people attracted to them around them. Thus when we see those people approaching those we desire, it is verifying the feelings of admiration. Confident people are never afraid of being attractive.
sillyanswer Posted May 21, 2013 Posted May 21, 2013 I don't see what the disagreement with somedude is. He's 100 percent right Being friends with girls and having them romantically interested or seeing you in a sexual light is a whole different thing. Presumably the disagreement is that some of us don't agree with you. I think I explained back on page 3, and I'm sure it had already been covered by that point by other posters.
Author somedude81 Posted May 21, 2013 Author Posted May 21, 2013 Presumably the disagreement is that some of us don't agree with you. I think I explained back on page 3, and I'm sure it had already been covered by that point by other posters. And I still believe that attraction and friendship are too very different things. Most girls don't have sex with their friends. --------- Anyways date plans with the girl I've been messaging are almost set. Just waiting on her to check her work schedule (or so she says.) Even if we do go out, I don't know if it will be a date or just as friends. Maybe I should grab her boobs just to make sure?
sillyanswer Posted May 21, 2013 Posted May 21, 2013 And I still believe that attraction and friendship are too very different things. Most girls don't have sex with their friends. Yes, and we covered that before, too. Perhaps we should agree to disagree otherwise we'll just be repeating things already said. (Although, I agree that most girls don't have sex with their friends!) I wasn't trying to re-hash the argument with you, but instead trying to respond to Revolver's point. --------- Anyways date plans with the girl I've been messaging are almost set. Just waiting on her to check her work schedule (or so she says.) Even if we do go out, I don't know if it will be a date or just as friends. Maybe I should grab her boobs just to make sure? This is good news either way. If I was you I'd save boob grabbing for at least 1 date after butt grabbing, but I already know you don't like my advice.
Author somedude81 Posted May 21, 2013 Author Posted May 21, 2013 Yes, and we covered that before, too. Perhaps we should agree to disagree otherwise we'll just be repeating things already said. (Although, I agree that most girls don't have sex with their friends!) I wasn't trying to re-hash the argument with you, but instead trying to respond to Revolver's point. I'm just bored and want to argue about something. So no, we are going to disagree to agree. This is good news either way. I really hope so. It sounds like it is, but I don't want to get excited, and then disappointed. If I was you I'd save boob grabbing for at least 1 date after butt grabbing, but I already know you don't like my advice. After butt grabbing? But I'm not even an ass man
Woohoo Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 I'm just bored and want to argue about something. So no, we are going to disagree to agree. I really hope so. It sounds like it is, but I don't want to get excited, and then disappointed. After butt grabbing? But I'm not even an ass man Don't want to get excited...their is depression right their. Letting feelings that haven't happened prevent you from having feelings today. If you don't get excited, it is going to be tough to get her excited. Good luck, keep us updated.
Author somedude81 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Posted May 22, 2013 Don't want to get excited...their is depression right their. Letting feelings that haven't happened prevent you from having feelings today. If you don't get excited, it is going to be tough to get her excited. Good luck, keep us updated. Dude, I'm almost 32 years old and I've never had a girlfriend. I've kissed one girl in my entire life and that was only because I was so desperate I didn't care that I wasn't attracted to her. I could go on and on. So yes, it is depression and expectation to get hurt. 1
fortyninethousand322 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Dude, I'm almost 32 years old and I've never had a girlfriend. I've kissed one girl in my entire life and that was only because I was so desperate I didn't care that I wasn't attracted to her. I could go on and on. So yes, it is depression and expectation to get hurt. So many people do not understand these things. They lecture or criticize, but most of them kissed a girl at 14 and never really had any issues getting dates or relationships. Walk a mile and all that... 1
Eclypse Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 So many people do not understand these things. They lecture or criticize, but most of them kissed a girl at 14 and never really had any issues getting dates or relationships. Walk a mile and all that... I can imagine this must be soul crushing to dwell on. I was getting agitated being 19 without having sex. How do you deal with this?
Author somedude81 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Posted May 22, 2013 Keep expecting to fail and you will. How do my expectations determine how somebody else will act? We had a real fun chat session over Facebook and it ended with me asking her when she can go out. She said she'd check her work schedule and now I wait. I also called another girl and left her a voice mail and I'm waiting for her to get back to me. My expectations of failure have no affect on if either of the girls will get back to me. What happens next is completely out of my hands. And that's when sh*t always happens. 1
ThaWholigan Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 How do my expectations determine how somebody else will act? We had a real fun chat session over Facebook and it ended with me asking her when she can go out. She said she'd check her work schedule and now I wait. I also called another girl and left her a voice mail and I'm waiting for her to get back to me. My expectations of failure have no affect on if either of the girls will get back to me. What happens next is completely out of my hands. And that's when sh*t always happens. You didn't understand...... Whether it doesn't work out or not, it's all about what happens in the aftermath that is important. Your expectation of failure compounds whenever you actually fail - so it's not how your expectations determine how someone else acts......it's how your expectations impact YOU. If you keep thinking the way you do, you will NEVER get over your problems. And relying on a woman to do it is not going to help you - if you get one, then cool. But if it doesn't happen, you still need to function on your own. I know that being depressed can take it out of you, I get that. But you will never, ever get past it if you don't at least try to pick yourself up mentally. And it's even harder to do on your own - which is one of the reasons why everyone keeps saying you need friends. Depressed people with no friends generally are f*cked. If I'm honest, my retort was more to 49 with his remark about "lecturing and criticizing" - forgetting that I had my own issues that you both like to downplay to suit your own agenda. Either way, you have to keep trying harder even if it's difficult. You just have to do it. If you really want a GF, you have to. How bad do you want it? Seriously. How bad do you really want a GF in your life? Because you say that only a GF will make you happy - are you willing to put yourself through pain to get it? Are you willing to be rejected a bunch of times? To get flaked on until someone likes you? Ask yourself this question. You can reply if you want to, this is hopefully my last post in this thread. Because every bunch of posts that remotely encourage you, from regular posters to new posters, you fall back into the same sh*t and it's all a waste of writing because nobody takes it on board. 3
Teknoe Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Good question. We all want our partners to be attractive. When you observe other people being attracted to your partner you get a feeling of pride, yeah, their mine, and possibly fear depending on how attractive the person approaching is . When people rag on your partner, you feel shame. In fact this is a major reason for what IS considered attractive varies culture to culture. Translation : I can walk long and tall with sexy on my arm! AND I WILL! The simple answer is you want to COMMUNICATE that other women are interested in you, but not "brag". Here is a sample approach to doing this in conversation. A strong story about said co-worker and her looking for your attention, you can display both that you have someone after you and not brag. You : Awww man, I went to work with my new shirt, "so'n'so" lost her **** over it? Her : Huh, She was mad? You got in trouble over a *whatever shirt*? That's messed up. You : Nah, she went all crazy. Like over the top. If I knew shirts could get that reaction I would buy more. Her : Wait, who? You : Some girl. She's cool. Her : Oh, uh, what is she like? You : Cool. Her : Is she hot? You : (Answer slowly, mull it over, change your evaluation a couple of times, your shifting thoughts will verify that she is in fact, not undesirable) She's......................alright. *conversation continues, only let out a few bits of info* You : Haha, so *change subject* *if she does not follow the subject change THEN ask her why she wants to talk about it so much?* (or if you wanna play the true ahole card demand that she accuse you of cheating and not dance around the subject, if she doesn't accuse, then say their is nothing to discuss) Remember, a confident attractive person will by definition have people attracted to them around them. Thus when we see those people approaching those we desire, it is verifying the feelings of admiration. Confident people are never afraid of being attractive. Tried to PM you but since you are new I cannot. I think PMs don't get activated until you're 30 days a member. So I'll reply here. Good stuff! She did ask me "So wait, how old is this girl again?" I replied "She's younger than us yo! She's about your sister's age, 25." My crush didn't respond after that, lol. The 25 year old is exactly as you said... alright. I like her as a coworker and as a friend, but she doesn't exactly tickle my fancy. I liked how you phrased it as "she's...... alright." You clearly got game, hahaha. Back to SD though. Yeah, expectations affect mainly you, rather than the other party. If you think lowly of yourself enough, you will BE lowly. And very few people, especially attractive young girls, want to be around a guy that's low on self-esteem, especially if he's got not much going on (i.e. still in school in his early 30s, no career official yet, no dating experience, etc) Not trying to make you feel bad or anything, but isn't that reality? The least you can do is think positively, and hopefully have that carry over to your overall aura. Who wants to be around a negative nancy?
Author somedude81 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Posted May 22, 2013 You didn't understand...... Whether it doesn't work out or not, it's all about what happens in the aftermath that is important. Your expectation of failure compounds whenever you actually fail - so it's not how your expectations determine how someone else acts......it's how your expectations impact YOU. If you keep thinking the way you do, you will NEVER get over your problems. And relying on a woman to do it is not going to help you - if you get one, then cool. But if it doesn't happen, you still need to function on your own. I know that being depressed can take it out of you, I get that. But you will never, ever get past it if you don't at least try to pick yourself up mentally. And it's even harder to do on your own - which is one of the reasons why everyone keeps saying you need friends. Depressed people with no friends generally are f*cked. If I'm honest, my retort was more to 49 with his remark about "lecturing and criticizing" - forgetting that I had my own issues that you both like to downplay to suit your own agenda. Either way, you have to keep trying harder even if it's difficult. You just have to do it. If you really want a GF, you have to. How bad do you want it? Seriously. How bad do you really want a GF in your life? Because you say that only a GF will make you happy - are you willing to put yourself through pain to get it? Are you willing to be rejected a bunch of times? To get flaked on until someone likes you? Ask yourself this question. You can reply if you want to, this is hopefully my last post in this thread. Because every bunch of posts that remotely encourage you, from regular posters to new posters, you fall back into the same sh*t and it's all a waste of writing because nobody takes it on board. I want to write more in regards to your post but I'll address this point for now. My life is stagnant and I admit that most posts about advice are pretty pointless. Everything that can be said about my life now has pretty much already been said. But the key is that I'm on the verge of a major change. If this girl actually ends up liking me, then it will be a completely different game. If you want to ignore my posts for now, that's fine. But I will greatly appreciate any input you or anyone else could provide if something happens with this girl. And no, I won't post a real update in this thread, unless something negative happened, then it would just be a bunch of whining from me. I do hope I'll have something good to share in the Dating forum. 1
Teknoe Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 But the key is that I'm on the verge of a major change. If this girl actually ends up liking me, then it will be a completely different game. And what if she doesn't like you? You should be of this mentality instead But the key is that I'm on the verge of a major change. Even if this girl doesn't like me, it will be a completely different game. I am now ready and willing to make the real changes I need to take my life to where I want it to be. Really, until you adopt this mantra genuinely, you will be where you are, in 99% cases. Relying on someone to like you to get you out of your funk is exactly what has kept you where you are the last 5+ years now. 2
fortyninethousand322 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 I can imagine this must be soul crushing to dwell on. I was getting agitated being 19 without having sex. How do you deal with this? Depends. Some days after I hit the gym or go for a run I'll just sit and stew. Maybe listen to some very melancholy music or I'll write some thoughts down on paper. Sometimes read for hours (maybe stuff on the internet, books, newspapers, etc.). The days when I can find something to distract myself (like playing basketball or going to a ball game or something like that) are the best, but they don't come all that often. Yes, it is soul crushing...
Woohoo Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Tried to PM you but since you are new I cannot. I think PMs don't get activated until you're 30 days a member. So I'll reply here. Good stuff! She did ask me "So wait, how old is this girl again?" I replied "She's younger than us yo! She's about your sister's age, 25." My crush didn't respond after that, lol. The 25 year old is exactly as you said... alright. I like her as a coworker and as a friend, but she doesn't exactly tickle my fancy. I liked how you phrased it as "she's...... alright." You clearly got game, hahaha. Back to SD though. Yeah, expectations affect mainly you, rather than the other party. If you think lowly of yourself enough, you will BE lowly. And very few people, especially attractive young girls, want to be around a guy that's low on self-esteem, especially if he's got not much going on (i.e. still in school in his early 30s, no career official yet, no dating experience, etc) Not trying to make you feel bad or anything, but isn't that reality? The least you can do is think positively, and hopefully have that carry over to your overall aura. Who wants to be around a negative nancy? Thanks. Yeah, I love game. Always feels good to show the "game." Really helped when I learned that you can respond really slow, and started to think through multiple responses. If nothing comes to mind I just go with the first thing I think of, ignoring the first instinct is a great path to wit. Oh and SD. What you feel IS what you do. How I behave in different situations varies based on how I'm feeling. When I was depressed my responses were far more uniform. I thought what I did I had "thought" about. You don't think about anything, your thoughts align with your feelings. Seek to harness those. It requires honesty. It is hard. It is scary, and you will find out everything you think you know is wrong. Other people FEEL your nervousness and it affects their behavior. They may not verbalize this, what you have to understand is LINK your feelings and behavior. Your choice is ALWAYS based on feelings, whether it is getting more of them, OR minimizing them at all times (depression).
Author somedude81 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Wow, I think she likes me. (Either that or women are much more confusing to read than I had previously believed) We're getting together Friday. This is scary. It was fun chatting with her. Mainly because I don't really think and just go with the flow. The way I'm set up, is that when I'm interacting with a girl and more specifically one that I like, I just feel good, and I'm not depressed at all. Then when I'm by myself again, reality hits me and then I start thinking. I think the simplest way to express it, is that women are my drug. I get high when I'm around them and vibeing. When they go away, I crash. And I've crashed pretty hard, even though I've never actually dated or loved anybody. Edited May 22, 2013 by somedude81
Teknoe Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Wow, I think she likes me. (Either that or women are much more confusing to read than I had previously believed) We're getting together Friday. This is scary. It was fun chatting with her. Mainly because I don't really think and just go with the flow. The way I'm set up, is that when I'm interacting with a girl and more specifically one that I like, I just feel good, and I'm not depressed at all. Then when I'm by myself again, reality hits me and then I start thinking. I think the simplest way to express it, is that women are my drug. I get high when I'm around them and vibeing. When they go away, I crash. And I've crashed pretty hard, even though I've never actually dated or loved anybody. Congrats on advancing the situation. It's getting scary because slowly but surely it's getting more and more real. You have never encountered this side of "dating" before, or it's been a good while if you wanna count any of your D outings as semi-dates. I know what you mean about women being a drug. For me when I crush on a girl I crush and fall damn hard. Right now I'm falling hard for a girl... she and I get along quite well, similar taste in many aspects but trouble in paradise... she's got a BF. However, it doesn't seem like it's very stable and hey, if she's digging me more... she can make up her own mind. I'm not actively pursuing her. We talk as friends. I do acknowledge that I need to pull back though as I am realizing I am starting to get in too deep with regards to making an emotional connection with her. My friends all warn me of being careful coz they don't wanna see me get crushed. You on the other hand have nothing to lose and you need to advance it as it comes. Either way, win or lose, this will be a good experience for you. edit: Woohoo, I don't want to take the focus of SD's thread off him regarding my friend/crush, so I bumped a thread I wrote about her here on General Discussion forum. Let's continue our talk about my lady friend there from now on... at least, until we can PM each other, heh. Thanks. Edited May 22, 2013 by Teknoe
sillyanswer Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 I'm just bored and want to argue about something. So no, we are going to disagree to agree. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
therhythm Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Uhh? Friendship is random and has nothing to do with physical attraction whenever it is with subjects of the same sex or not. Most of my friends are females, some of them are totally platonic and some of them have been fwb's kind of friends, for some I definitely feel physical attraction for some I don't but they are all my friends with different intensity and with different ways of intimacy.
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