Derpderpleton Posted May 1, 2013 Posted May 1, 2013 (edited) It seems that there's been quite a few posts about karma on here lately. This is just a quick rant as to why I believe that it doesn't exist. About a year ago, my friend and his girlfriend of 5ish years broke up. He was pretty good to her most of the time, but there were times when he treated her very badly. She eventually got sick of it and decided to leave him. He did alot of begging immediately after the break up, even had me talk to her for him, because she wouldn't talk to him. He eventually got sick of trying to win her over and hurled basically every kind of disgusting insult that you could think of at her. I mean, I read what he sent her and my jaw literally dropped. I told him I understood that he was upset, but WHY would you say these things to her? I wouldn't even say those kind of things to my worst enemy. So, I bet you're thinking that there's no chance of them ever speaking to each other again, let alone getting back together. Well, about 6 months later they got back together and are now 'happily' living together. Where's the karma for what he said to her and how he treated her? My other friend is back with this girl that he's cheated on a few times. I don't know too many details, but I know that he cheated. After her family had spent tons of money on him, he still did this. Yeah, he was pretty miserable once he realized what he did to her, but where's the karma? They're also now living together. I'm not wishing bad karma on my friends or anything, but I just see how they sometimes treat women and are still able to win them back and it's frustrating as hell. Then I read on here about how people who treated their ex's great 100% of the time, and just get left out of the blue and NEVER see or hear from them again, while their ex's carry on with a new and exciting life. I just don't understand any of it. Do you guys actually believe in karma? Edited May 1, 2013 by Derpderpleton 1
th90 Posted May 1, 2013 Posted May 1, 2013 OP why should you question (or making a fuss/thread pertaining to) karma if you didn't believe its existence in the first place? TaraMaiden has explained it here http://www.loveshack.org/forums/mind-body-soul/spirituality-religious-beliefs/390207-s-not-karma-karma#post4846966
thefooloftheyear Posted May 1, 2013 Posted May 1, 2013 Yeah.... And the people that win the Lottery arent churchgoing people that work for the Peace Corps and help little old ladies cross the street.. Its just life. Sometimes youre the bug, other times the windshield. TFY 1
Author Derpderpleton Posted May 1, 2013 Author Posted May 1, 2013 Yeah.... Sometimes youre the bug, other times the windshield. TFY Never heard that one before, I like it. I guess I'm just frustrated seeing people get what they want when they don't deserve it at all.
TaraMaiden Posted May 1, 2013 Posted May 1, 2013 Read my thread. Link kindly and thoughtfully supplied by th90.... And I also have the link as part of my signature. You, in line with many others, have a wholly incorrect notion of what Karma is.....
GorillaTheater Posted May 1, 2013 Posted May 1, 2013 Read my thread. Link kindly and thoughtfully supplied by th90.... And I also have the link as part of my signature. You, in line with many others, have a wholly incorrect notion of what Karma is..... Karma fascist.
TouchedByViolet Posted May 1, 2013 Posted May 1, 2013 Life is unpredictable, whimsical, and fickle. Goodness has nothing to do with it.
TaraMaiden Posted May 1, 2013 Posted May 1, 2013 Never heard that one before, I like it. I guess I'm just frustrated seeing people get what they want when they don't deserve it at all. Good things happen to bad people, and bad things happen to good people. But guess what - ? Good things happen to good people, and bad things happen to bad people. In other words, Life is what it is. It's what YOU do with what 'is', that counts. And all you can deal with, is what befalls you. Not whatever befalls anyone else..... 1
Am4Real Posted May 1, 2013 Posted May 1, 2013 (edited) Your question should read: Why do good things happen to bad or misbehaving people? Or some version thereof. Correct? Don't get caught up in the Karma debate, it's like arguing over Christianity and God and other beliefs, there are experts on the subject and many, like me, who have no idea and prefer a straight question or example (like those you gave). So back to your question or some derivative of such "Why do good things happen to bad or misbehaving people?" I'd give you an answer by comparison in asking YOU: "Why do bad things happen to good or decent people?" So, what say ye? You see, like the criminal incarceration system where almost everyone claims they are innocent, there are most who have been dumped by their EX and make similar claim stating how "bad, mean or wrong the dumper is". Hmmm...coincidence, you ask? Karma? God? Hmmmm...dunno! And also by coincidence, they (dumpees) tend to gather in groups for support whist dumpers go it alone (again for the most part) and seek or take refuge in supposed "greener pastures" . And now you know how LOVESHACK got started!! We're all a group of victims of bad, evil, misbehaving, uncaring, disrespectful, deviant and deceptive people! Enjoy your laugh of the day, it was amusing writing this out because in a nutshell, I have no idea how to answer you question. Ain't life a bitch sometimes, however, we're all "above" the grass today and for that we should be great-full! Enjoy the afternoon! Edited May 1, 2013 by Am4Real
Treasa Posted May 1, 2013 Posted May 1, 2013 Good things happen to bad people, and bad things happen to good people. But guess what - ? Good things happen to good people, and bad things happen to bad people. In other words, Life is what it is. It's what YOU do with what 'is', that counts. And all you can deal with, is what befalls you. Not whatever befalls anyone else..... Bless you for this. You saved me from a headdesk. 1
bob the brave Posted May 1, 2013 Posted May 1, 2013 Amen Bro! Here is another example of why Karma is BS: Not to blow my horn but I am a good guy. I always treat people with respect regardless of their status in life. I really, honestly care about people and believe the world a better place the more we do. A girl once delcined sincere interest on my part by making short jokes and I couldn't help how I am born! I am (5'9" she is 5'7") and in great physical shape. The other guy is a married boozing, cheating, bullying sack of ****. This guy cheats on his wife and two young daughters with gang-bang orgies he finds on craigslist, stays out all night gambling and drinking and then lies to his wife about it while braiging to coworkders. He makes fun of crippled people to their face! He has no education or skills. He is 34 years old with a paper route! She has a 3 year old daughter out of wedlock and a DWI. Well, after they hooked up, he came to me in private, got right up in my face real insulting like and said, "I ****** her and there is nothing you can do about it." Then a few months later she comes to me saying the guy is a zero and wants to know if I still care for her? She is serioius! I told to her to keep walking. Now he has a new girl friend he brought to the Christmas party, while his wife waits at home taking care of his kids. She is aware of the other girl and is ok with it! The girl I liked is now married to some other guy and they are expecting their first child. The player and the girl are now best of friends again. Meanwhile I got spinal and intestional damage from a botched operation, which has greatly reduced my lifespan and makes any future relationhsips impossible. Karma is a lie, a myth, a joke and I wish people would quit using this as a hollow hope of justification. Just things happen sometimes, but it is pure accident.
bob the brave Posted May 1, 2013 Posted May 1, 2013 Hey, Bob - read this! thanks, that helped me to better understand. I, like many, had a somewhat distorted view of karma. Seems it is just cause and effect, one reaps what one sows without sensient invertention, just natural consequence. Does this sound correct? Just curious, given my and the OPs examples, how do you explain the discord between what we would expect as the likely outcome and what happened. For instance, those that mistreat others are still treated affectionately, while those who honestly respect others are discarded?
TaraMaiden Posted May 2, 2013 Posted May 2, 2013 thanks, that helped me to better understand. I, like many, had a somewhat distorted view of karma. Seems it is just cause and effect, one reaps what one sows without sensient invertention, just natural consequence. Does this sound correct? It's a natural consequence, but by watching our thoughts, words and actions, we can influence outcomes. For example, let's take a pretty common instance, like road-rage. Three lanes into two.... some guy comes up on your side, blatantly intending to carve you up.... your first, "knee-jerk" 'instinct' is to prevent it happening, and keep the gap closed - but he succeeds anyway. Your immediate (usual) instinct is to cuss, swear, make a few gestures and if the guy brakes, and gets out of his car, then things could escalate. This ruins everyone's day, makes them edgy, defensive and potentially confrontational - abusive, even..... Really, think back. Why? His actions are his actions. You can't change or influence them, sadly, however much you may want to.... Your responsibility is to yourself... So, let's do this again.... Three lanes into two.... some guy comes up on your side, blatantly intending to carve you up.... you breathe, pause your thinking, and instead of succumbing to your first, "knee-jerk" 'instinct' (to prevent it happening, and keep the gap closed) you slow your car, open the gap, and wave the guy in. It may sound like you're letting yourself be a push-over - but what harm has that done? None. in fact, quite the opposite. The guy gestures his 'thanks', and you wave back. Who knows what kind of a day he's having.... Is he late because of some personal serious issue? Does he have divorce/bereavement/illness on his mind? Is he at loggerheads with his boss and can't afford to be late? Who knows? Who cares? That's not your issue. The fact is, he's a regular guy making it through life. Just like you are. One could judge his actions to be (what we would call) 'unskilful' - but then, aren't we all like that, sometimes? Don't we all 'carve someone else up' in so many ways, now and then? The trick is to catch that first thought - and see where it could take us. Just curious, given my and the OPs examples, how do you explain the discord between what we would expect as the likely outcome and what happened. For instance, those that mistreat others are still treated affectionately, while those who honestly respect others are discarded? I could give you a fairly lengthy and clear answer - but that would take me into the realms of the Religious Discipline I follow - and (1), it could be considered off-topic, and (2) it may not be what you would be interested to hear. I don't shove what I follow down people's throats and say this is the real deal.... So I will merely say that in the thread I pointed you to, there is a reference/link to an 'unconjecturable'. Karma works for everyone. What we do, carries consequences. And if what we do, includes and concerns other people, these consequences involve, and impact on, other people too. This is why we all have to step up to the plate: It doesn't matter what life's swing-ball flings our way. What matters is how WE deal with the game. We can all only be responsible for our own Actions - which are the fruits of other events, experiences and other people's decisions. Wisdom consists of using those experiences in a skilful way. 1
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