Lack of success with women isn't entirely the man's fault

[reaver]

You really need to establish your value. The easiest way to do this is by making her feel like she's lucky to be with you. Women are coddled their entire lives. Start treating her like dirt. She will start to question her self worth and by doing so will attempt to validate herself to you. This is when you start treating her nicely. Read up on Pavlov's Dogs. That's the way you need to treat women. When they do something you don't like, take your attention away and don't give it back until she re-validates herself to you.

 

Id recommend you go see a counselor.

[Imajerk17]

I don't know... The main thing that I got from this is that irc333 actually talked to someone and got a date.

 

Hopefully the two of them don't get together to compare and discuss bad OLD profiles....

 

 

(Seriously irc333, at some point the two of you do need to bond over something positive)

[jcrew11]

irc333,

 

What part of the country do you live?

 

Of course it has much to do with other's expectations. It's combination of that and YOU and your personality, confidence level.

 

You're 5'6, I'm 5'6 and I've had my share of dates. There are many intangibles that also come into play. No one has a fool-proof formula to getting a date w/o considering a mountain factors that one can or cannot control.

 

That's life...

 

Yeah, I agree. Life may not be fair for the short guys. But your dating life will be shaped by having a good personality and confidence. Also, your expectations may need to adjust, since it will take a lot of energy and effort to get a Hot Model girlfriend. It also depends on your city and hobbies to meet women.

[Content]

Online is the only place ive seen this height obsession..Im maybe 5'8" on a good day and never had trouble getting women and ive posted my pic on here an dont think im amazing looking or anything.

 

I also dont buy that short men have to try harder and be some sueprhuman beings and even though its implied here ive yet to see women fall at the feet of a tall mans presence where he has to do no work even my good looking friends who do great with women have to do some work.

 

Lastly dont take everyhtign to heart you see online theyres tons of great people here and other forums but also some complete and utter nutjobs who if you listen to them or take them seriously and as an example of a whole gender youll lose faith in humanity.

[KungFuJoe]

Man I say this in every one of these threads.

 

SHALLOW DOESN'T EXIST! It doesn't!

 

People want what they want.

 

My wife openly says she wouldn't be with a short guy...under 5'10...ain't gonna happen. I'm 6'2" and every bf she's had before me was about 6 feet tall. She knows what she wants and she has every right to get it (and believe me, she can get what she wants).

 

On my part, a girl with ugly feet...deal breaker. Cankles? Deal breaker. I have a foot fetish and I absolutely love long, sexy legs. If you're going to be my partner for a LONG time, you better be damn sexy to me.

 

I'm HAPPY for the fact that I'm my partner's ideal mate.

 

Women...men...be as "shallow" as your heart's desire. It just means you believe in yourself and won't settle for less.

[CryForNoOne]

Man I say this in every one of these threads.

 

SHALLOW DOESN'T EXIST! It doesn't!

 

People want what they want.

 

My wife openly says she wouldn't be with a short guy...under 5'10...ain't gonna happen. I'm 6'2" and every bf she's had before me was about 6 feet tall. She knows what she wants and she has every right to get it (and believe me, she can get what she wants).

 

On my part, a girl with ugly feet...deal breaker. Cankles? Deal breaker. I have a foot fetish and I absolutely love long, sexy legs. If you're going to be my partner for a LONG time, you better be damn sexy to me.

 

I'm HAPPY for the fact that I'm my partner's ideal mate.

 

Women...men...be as "shallow" as your heart's desire. It just means you believe in yourself and won't settle for less.

 

Spoken like a true OC native...

[tbf]

The two found each other. This is a good thing, considering irc's dating issues. I can only hope for the best for the two of them.

[irc333]

One could say it DOES exist to a certain extent. For instance, I know of friends and family members of that ONE unattached person they know is overly picky and shallow.

 

They try to give her advice to try to lighten up on her idealistic criteria or drop that silly laundry list, and start being realistic.

 

What's sad is, they are aware of tons of guys that asked their single friend, niece or daughter out countless times, only to reject them just as equally.

 

 

I even read articles about clientelle of professional MATCHmakers that advise them, "Listen, hon, I have this guy that may be a decent match for you, give him a shot....what have you got to lose?"

 

The client just barged out of her office in frustration that even a professional was right.

 

 

Man I say this in every one of these threads.

 

SHALLOW DOESN'T EXIST! It doesn't!

 

People want what they want.

 

My wife openly says she wouldn't be with a short guy...under 5'10...ain't gonna happen. I'm 6'2" and every bf she's had before me was about 6 feet tall. She knows what she wants and she has every right to get it (and believe me, she can get what she wants).

 

On my part, a girl with ugly feet...deal breaker. Cankles? Deal breaker. I have a foot fetish and I absolutely love long, sexy legs. If you're going to be my partner for a LONG time, you better be damn sexy to me.

 

I'm HAPPY for the fact that I'm my partner's ideal mate.

 

Women...men...be as "shallow" as your heart's desire. It just means you believe in yourself and won't settle for less.

[KungFuJoe]

*sigh*

 

Why can't you people get it?

 

Shallow doesn't exist.

 

If I want a big boobed, dumb, blonde with the ability to deep throat a kielbasa...then that's what I want! You can't tell me otherwise. No one can.

 

It's like trying to tell a gay person he SHOULD like women. Ain't gonna happen.

 

So instead of worrying about whether or not someone is shallow or not...why doesn't everyone just start worrying about finding a person that meets their own needs.

 

Me? I'm RIDICULOUSLY picky. I've turned down women for being too nice. That's right...too NICE. Women that my friends would have called me crazy for turning down. But, I KNEW what I wanted and I knew I didn't feel "it" for the others. There was just no spark...none of that "wow" factor.

 

So instead of giving in to the pressures of needing to be with someone, I happily went about my life, single, happy, and content. But always with the mindset that I would find that special person because *I* was worth it.

 

And then I did meet her. And married her. And had a family. And, over 13 years later, we're still going damn strong. Hell, we are the envy of all our friends. Because we both knew exactly what we wanted and didn't "settle" til we found it.

 

So I will continue to say...be damn picky...be damn "shallow". Because the decision you make...you just might have to stick with for a lifetime.

[KungFuJoe]

Shallow does exist. It's when people are attracted to superficial qualities and are not willing to look past people that don't have them.

 

I think your argument should be: "There's nothing wrong with people being shallow."

 

I don't see it that way. People are a sum of their qualities...physical, emotional, and mental.

 

So someone who admires a smart person, regardless of how they look is more "noble" than someone who just wants a buxom beauty queen?

 

You know...that person with the smart brain didn't do any more or any less to earn it than that person with the great body.

 

They were both born with it. Doesn't make anyone better than the other.

[reaver]

People who think physical qualities are not superficial are so full of **** I dont even know where to begin.

[Mme. Chaucer]

Short men have become sooooo shallow.