she stopped me during first kiss

[rocoloco]

I've met this girl online. We found out we have a lot of common, including the same surname and similar phone number. We were texting first for like 6 months (also lots of kinky stuff, she has even sent me some sexy pictures of her). Then we met in person, everything was great, we hugged in the end. Two days later I went abroad to study for 6 months. We stayed in touch. When I got back we met again, everything was great, we hugged in the end.

 

So yesterday we met again, she brought me a muffin and a chocolate for my birthday, we went for a drink, we had great time.

 

(Now I should mention that I am 25 and she is 17 and I think that she is quite inexperienced and very careful girl. She also refused to drive her home.)

 

Towards the end of the date we had a little race in quiet alley, we ran to see who is faster. We lingered afterwards for a moment there.

 

So at the end of the date we hugged, but than I kept holding her, looking her in the eye, telling her we should do this again, she agreed, and then I gave her a kiss. Longer kissed followed immediately and she seemed really into it - applying lots of pressure on my mouth, and started using tongue immediately.

Then after 15 seconds she goes "oh, no" and pulls away. I said: "what? it's nothing, I kissed you", and then I walked to her and gave her one kiss on the mouth (she didn't pulled away) and said bye bye. When we were walking away from each other I called her by the funny nickname I have for her, she replied me with my nickname and that was it.

 

What the hell was that during the kiss? I think I have an idea but I'm not sure.

Edited April 10, 2013 by rocoloco

[Noproblem]

I think you are too old for her...She is 17 ...still under 18 ...Not good!

She is still not mature enough

she is only pretending she is naughty to impress you, to get passed that she is so young, in reality...She is even a virgin!

[Uncle Indy]

You accepted sexy pics from a 16/17 year old girl when you were 24/25. You are perverted. Thats way too young pal. You got a problem. Go out with another girl who is YOUR AGE

[rocoloco]

lol it is not like that, I have no bad intentions with her. Pictures were her idea, I didn't send her mine, and she wasn't naked. It is completely legal to date 15, 16 or 17 years old girls in our country, she is in legal age of consent, and very mature, not a crazy-teenage girl.

[CryForNoOne]

Sorry but if you think you have a lot in common because you have the same surname and similar phone numbers then you both sound like 12 year olds...

[Keenly]

You accepted sexy pics from a 16/17 year old girl when you were 24/25. You are perverted. Thats way too young pal. You got a problem. Go out with another girl who is YOUR AGE

 

 

How is he perverted exactly? there is not really anything you can do about accepting / rejecting a picture message.

 

 

So how is it different when a 40 year old man and a 30 year old woman date? Is he perverted?

 

 

People are way too judgmental.

[Brunettie]

You said you have an idea why she did that, what is your idea?

[clia]

Then after 15 seconds she goes "oh, no" and pulls away. I said: "what? it's nothing, I kissed you", and then I walked to her and gave her one kiss on the mouth (she didn't pulled away) and said bye bye. When we were walking away from each other I called her by the funny nickname I have for her, she replied me with my nickname and that was it.

 

What the hell was that during the kiss? I think I have an idea but I'm not sure.

 

She's 17 and immature. That's what "that" is. "Oh, squee, I kissed him!" Giggle! Giggle! (Yeah, yeah, now tell me how mature she is. She's 17. She isn't mature.)

 

I'll take your word for it that the dirty pictures are legal where you live, and refrain from asking why a 25 year old is interested in a 17 year old in the first place.

[Keenly]

16/17 y/o are minors. Age of consent is 18 in many states.

 

 

So a 17 year old is completely mentally incapable of making any decisions whatsoever, especially considering those of a more romantic nature? When you turn 18 you magically some how THEN have the capability to actually think?

 

 

He didn't say he had sex with her, so he isn't breaking any laws. You just want him to behave a certain way because you don't agree with what he is doing. Behavior controlling.

 

 

Stop judging people.

[CryForNoOne]

Since you're ignorant of the law, allow me to enlighten you.

18 USC § 2256

 

For the purposes of this chapter, the term—

(1) “minor” means any person under the age of eighteen years;

(2)

(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), “sexually explicit conduct” means actual or simulated—

(i) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;

(ii) bestiality;

(iii) masturbation;

(iv) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or

(v) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;

(B) For purposes of subsection 8(B) [1] of this section, “sexually explicit conduct” means—

(i) graphic sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex, or lascivious simulated sexual intercourse where the genitals, breast, or pubic area of any person is exhibited;

(ii) graphic or lascivious simulated;

(I) bestiality;

(II) masturbation; or

(III) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or

(iii) graphic or simulated lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;

(3) “producing” means producing, directing, manufacturing, issuing, publishing, or advertising;

(4) “organization” means a person other than an individual;

(5) “visual depiction” includes undeveloped film and videotape, data stored on computer disk or by electronic means which is capable of conversion into a visual image, and data which is capable of conversion into a visual image that has been transmitted by any means, whether or not stored in a permanent format;

(6) “computer” has the meaning given that term in section 1030 of this title;

(7) “custody or control” includes temporary supervision over or responsibility for a minor whether legally or illegally obtained;

(8) “child pornography” means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where—

(A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;

(B) such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or

C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.

(9) “identifiable minor”—

(A) means a person—

(i)

(I) who was a minor at the time the visual depiction was created, adapted, or modified; or

(II) whose image as a minor was used in creating, adapting, or modifying the visual depiction; and

(ii) who is recognizable as an actual person by the person’s face, likeness, or other distinguishing characteristic, such as a unique birthmark or other recognizable feature; and

(B) shall not be construed to require proof of the actual identity of the identifiable minor.

(10) “graphic”, when used with respect to a depiction of sexually explicit conduct, means that a viewer can observe any part of the genitals or pubic area of any depicted person or animal during any part of the time that the sexually explicit conduct is being depicted; and

(11) the term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an actual minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct. This definition does not apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting minors or adults.

 

I guess you completely missed where he stated it is legal in his country for a 25 yo to date a 17 yo. Funny how if the law changes suddenly there is nothing sick or perverse about it...

[Keenly]

Since you're ignorant of the law, allow me to enlighten you.

18 USC § 2256

 

For the purposes of this chapter, the term—

(1) “minor” means any person under the age of eighteen years;

(2)

(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), “sexually explicit conduct” means actual or simulated—

(i) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;

(ii) bestiality;

(iii) masturbation;

(iv) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or

(v) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;

(B) For purposes of subsection 8(B) [1] of this section, “sexually explicit conduct” means—

(i) graphic sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex, or lascivious simulated sexual intercourse where the genitals, breast, or pubic area of any person is exhibited;

(ii) graphic or lascivious simulated;

(I) bestiality;

(II) masturbation; or

(III) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or

(iii) graphic or simulated lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;

(3) “producing” means producing, directing, manufacturing, issuing, publishing, or advertising;

(4) “organization” means a person other than an individual;

(5) “visual depiction” includes undeveloped film and videotape, data stored on computer disk or by electronic means which is capable of conversion into a visual image, and data which is capable of conversion into a visual image that has been transmitted by any means, whether or not stored in a permanent format;

(6) “computer” has the meaning given that term in section 1030 of this title;

(7) “custody or control” includes temporary supervision over or responsibility for a minor whether legally or illegally obtained;

(8) “child pornography” means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where—

(A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;

(B) such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or

C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.

(9) “identifiable minor”—

(A) means a person—

(i)

(I) who was a minor at the time the visual depiction was created, adapted, or modified; or

(II) whose image as a minor was used in creating, adapting, or modifying the visual depiction; and

(ii) who is recognizable as an actual person by the person’s face, likeness, or other distinguishing characteristic, such as a unique birthmark or other recognizable feature; and

(B) shall not be construed to require proof of the actual identity of the identifiable minor.

(10) “graphic”, when used with respect to a depiction of sexually explicit conduct, means that a viewer can observe any part of the genitals or pubic area of any depicted person or animal during any part of the time that the sexually explicit conduct is being depicted; and

(11) the term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an actual minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct. This definition does not apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting minors or adults.

 

 

 

 

So what law did he break, other than a potential "possession" charge. Assuming he still has the images.

 

She is guilty of distributing , but you want to blame him? How old are your parents? What is their age gap? 9 times out of ten, its more than 8 years.

 

Sorry, he is not perverted, you are just judgmental. Some how 6-12 more months is going to radically change everything about her, and THEN it will be okay. He can date her all he wants. As long as he doesn't have sex with her, he wouldn't be breaking any laws. You would still look down your nose at him though, because you have this high horse, holier than thou attitude that people should only do things YOU approve of, and no one should be allowed to live their lives in a slightly different, completely innocent way.

 

People date around broad age ranges. 8 years is NOTHING.

[Keenly]

I only read the OP. But yeah, it's still sick.

 

 

So you admit its behavior control?

 

 

How DARE people make their own decisions you disagree with! Those heathens!

[CryForNoOne]

So what law did he break, other than a potential "possession" charge. Assuming he still has the images.

 

She is guilty of distributing , but you want to blame him? How old are your parents? What is their age gap? 9 times out of ten, its more than 8 years.

 

Sorry, he is not perverted, you are just judgmental. Some how 6-12 more months is going to radically change everything about her, and THEN it will be okay. He can date her all he wants. As long as he doesn't have sex with her, he wouldn't be breaking any laws. You would still look down your nose at him though, because you have this high horse, holier than thou attitude that people should only do things YOU approve of, and no one should be allowed to live their lives in a slightly different, completely innocent way.

 

People date around broad age ranges. 8 years is NOTHING.

 

Heh,

 

It never changes. I've been told multiple times on this forum I'm sleaze etc because I'm 41 and in ONE POST I mentioned a 21 yo was attracted to me. I did nothing except NOT react to her ovations. But now the misandrists have labelled me "the guy in his 40's who only dates girls in their early 20's." Nevemind I created a thread called http://www.loveshack.org/forums/romantic/dating/379493-how-deal-37-yo-flirt

[rocoloco]

I don't care about the judgements. I am not from US and we have different laws.

 

I like her.

 

Today we talked and everything is ok. I am definitely going to see her again.

[Noproblem]

I guess you completely missed where he stated it is legal in his country for a 25 yo to date a 17 yo. Funny how if the law changes suddenly there is nothing sick or perverse about it...

 

And so? still not make it right!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SmileFace]

Ewww. dafuq

[Noproblem]

I don't care about the judgements. I am not from US and we have different laws.

 

I like her.

 

Today we talked and everything is ok. I am definitely going to see her again.

 

 

 

By the way .....Chances are, when you are 30, you still want to date a 17 years old girls because you like them young and under 18 ......And we all knows why you them young

[CryForNoOne]

And so? still not make it right!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

It's probably not but I'm not so quick to dismiss not knowing all the facts. My ex-wife lost her virginity at 15 as she was dating 20-somethings in the club scene in Vienna. I never judged her because of that and emotionally she didn't seem worse for the wear. In general, I'd say Europeans have a much healthier attitude about sex than Americans. Here in America I'd say 25 to 17 is wrong 99 times out of 100 though...

[PogoStick]

That's right. Here in America we tell the rest of the world what is right or wrong. We may just drone strike you in Vienna you crazy pedo. And then we'll go buy our Iphone made with child slave labor from Vietnam.

[zanzi]

this girl is too young for you, she should be out dating another seventeen or eighteen year old and being a teenager. You are too old for her, and your intentions whether you say they are good or not look pretty shady.

[reaver]

So a 17 year old is completely mentally incapable of making any decisions whatsoever, especially considering those of a more romantic nature? When you turn 18 you magically some how THEN have the capability to actually think?

 

 

He didn't say he had sex with her, so he isn't breaking any laws. You just want him to behave a certain way because you don't agree with what he is doing. Behavior controlling.

 

 

Stop judging people.

 

 

Hes a guy. You think he will be happy just kissing her?

Get off your high horse. I agree with you about the fact people dont magically grow up at 18, but the law is the law and when someone is breaking laws, that person should step away.

 

I know a guy who is currently awaiting trial for this and mostly like will soon be registered as a sex offender because he had your thought process. They ended up having sex (despite the fact he said he wouldnt, psssh thats such a load of crap if Ive ever heard one...what, hes gonna make out with her and not try to go all the way?) her parents found out and pressed charges and he will be unemployed living in a ****ty area of town for a very long time.

[Uncle Indy]

How is he perverted exactly? there is not really anything you can do about accepting / rejecting a picture message.

 

 

So how is it different when a 40 year old man and a 30 year old woman date? Is he perverted?

 

 

People are way too judgmental.

 

Uhhhmmm *******, shes a F.UCKING MINOR. YOU ARE A SICK BASTARD TOO IF YOU DONT THINK ITS WRONG.

[Keenly]

Hes a guy. You think he will be happy just kissing her?

Get off your high horse. I agree with you about the fact people dont magically grow up at 18, but the law is the law and when someone is breaking laws, that person should step away.

 

I know a guy who is currently awaiting trial for this and mostly like will soon be registered as a sex offender because he had your thought process. They ended up having sex (despite the fact he said he wouldnt, psssh thats such a load of crap if Ive ever heard one...what, hes gonna make out with her and not try to go all the way?) her parents found out and pressed charges and he will be unemployed living in a ****ty area of town for a very long time.

 

 

its clear you don't know what the term "high horse" means. Typically, its used to describe the person who is the one telling some one else how to live.

 

 

And you can think im perverted all you want. I'm 23, and I'd date a 17 year old.

 

I would not have sex with her until she was 18, judge me alllllllllllll day, and remember that I would not judge you, even if you were a crack addict.

 

It's clear you two are completely incapable of accepting differing opinions.

[Keenly]

Uhhhmmm *******, shes a F.UCKING MINOR. YOU ARE A SICK BASTARD TOO IF YOU DONT THINK ITS WRONG.

 

So how old were your parents? I like how you people casually toss aside the 40 year old man dating the 25 year old woman, but this is some how wrong.

 

 

 

So if he dated the chick for 9 months, and then she turned 18, and they NEVER had sex and did anything sexual, you would STILL judge them, because you people think YOUR way is the ONLY way.

[reaver]

So how old were your parents? I like how you people casually toss aside the 40 year old man dating the 25 year old woman, but this is some how wrong.

 

 

 

So if he dated the chick for 9 months, and then she turned 18, and they NEVER had sex and did anything sexual, you would STILL judge them, because you people think YOUR way is the ONLY way.

 

Uhhhh no I dont like that either.

This guy isnt waiting until she turns 18 most likely. ****ing a minor when its against the law is def something to judge someone over

 

Whatever. Hope being a sex offender is worth it.

 

Yeah I think a 23 year old who goes for a 17 year old isnt perverted but rather values immaturity, and likes girls that are more naiive and easier to control. Prob couldnt handle a girl his own age.

 

A 40yearold guy going after a 25year old is just shallow plus the reasons I just stated.

 

A few years age difference in your teens and early 20's yields a great difference in maturity levels. Hell when I was 24 I couldnt stand most 22yearold men except for the few rare ones who didnt act like hormone crazed animals

Edited April 11, 2013 by reaver