Radu Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 (edited) I'm sorry, but I have a problem with your use of the word "conditioned". You were conditioned just as much as they were to believe what you believe. Well, conditioned is just a word. Considering we both come from different backgrounds, countries and probably have different ages i'll explain what i meant by it. I was refering to social programming, which some ppl break through and some ppl don't break through. Most ppl don't break through it, and some of those who do, tend to break through it when they get much older. PS: I may have been conditioned to believe like others have been, but i don't like being the guy who buys into it, and never did ... Edited April 5, 2013 by Radu
Author Celtica Posted April 5, 2013 Author Posted April 5, 2013 Well, conditioned is just a word. Considering we both come from different backgrounds, countries and probably have different ages i'll explain what i meant by it. I was refering to social programming, which some ppl break through and some ppl don't break through. Most ppl don't break through it, and some of those who do, tend to break through it when they get much older. Well, do tell me what background and country you come from and I'll tell you if it is different from mine. I understand the concept of social programming, but it seems you intended to imply their way of thinking was due to being uneducated, or perhaps that such beliefs are based on ignorance. Maybe your statement was looking more at statistics in an unbiased way though, I'm not too sure.
PhoenixRysing Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 Well, do tell me what background and country you come from and I'll tell you if it is different from mine. I understand the concept of social programming, but it seems you intended to imply their way of thinking was due to being uneducated, or perhaps that such beliefs are based on ignorance. Maybe your statement was looking more at statistics in an unbiased way though, I'm not too sure. I got the impression he meant that in general in our society, these men were brought up to be providers, fathers, and leaders of the financial space in a relationship. Given the details of my own experiences I would have to agree with Radu. Most of the men I have dated that were "blue collar" or even "white collar" that got an idea that I make more money, live more extravagantly, or experience more exotic options as part of my life then they can realistically support, have not been able for any length of time to feel "fully masculine" in a relationship with me. I have never needed that, but they wanted the option to provide it. Eventually when it became painfully clear that they could not, they all bowed out. One even called himself a "free loader" even though there was nothing in our relationship (other than his knowledge of my life outside of it) that would indicate such. 1
DirtyDancing Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 I come from an upper-middle class white-collar background and have usually dated within the 'white-collar' category I guess; I think because with the social circles, education, and just the opportunity to meet because you are in the same environment. I'd never be against dating a blue-collar guy; but as I get older my preference is the educated, professional type by far. I'm college-educated and in what is considered a white-collared career, and I hate to be snooty but I prefer a man who is on the same level at this point. Then again, Billy Joel sang about this: "Uptown girl, she's been living in her white bread world as long as anyone with hot blood can.. and now she's looking for a downtown man" --- so you never know 1
Radu Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 Well, do tell me what background and country you come from and I'll tell you if it is different from mine. I understand the concept of social programming, but it seems you intended to imply their way of thinking was due to being uneducated, or perhaps that such beliefs are based on ignorance. Maybe your statement was looking more at statistics in an unbiased way though, I'm not too sure. PhoenixRising said it better than i could have. That's exactly what i meant. I've already explained in the post that you quoted my position on the use of the word, and that's it. I have personally also seen what PR mentioned beyond romantic relationships, and into business relationships. But that's more something to do with my general area of the world unfortunately.
Joaquin Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 Blue collar girls are happy to do way more funky stuff in bed.
melodymatters Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 Wow, is this is some crazy classist, elitist BS or what ?!? Some people thrive in academic settings, some people's styles are more hands on. Some people hate sitting still and hate corporate, bureaucracy. Some people start their own companies and make more money than many attorney's or physicians, and have a better quality of life. How are these people stupid, or beneath the OP,or she's using them , and/or they will never fulfill her, etc ? I tended bar while owning my own theatre company for which I write, produce, direct and market for, while also practicing Real estate because it was FUN and extra money. I'm sorry all you gentleman would find me so beneath you if you ran into me at THAT job, instead of one of my others. Write a money making play and get back to me. Picking up a little Sociology 101 ten to 20 years ago at college, does not elect you to a higher level of being than say, someone like Carhill who owns properties and business's and seems like he has an open mind and native intelligence enough to read and form his own opinions in the here and now. Imagine that. Personally, I'll date a "blue collar", craftsman type ANY DAY over : salesman, television personalities,attorney's, or stock brokers. Their loud, elitist braggadocio sounds SO much like little boys saying " well...well... your a poopy head and my dad can beat up your dad". Their insecurity at always wanting to be higher on "The Ladder" tends to make them rather pathetic.... AND their competitive nature makes them so much more likely to suffer from GIGS or worry what their peers think about their relationships. So yeah, give me a real, kind, strong, get things done, and not always look for the better deal kinda guy who is happy to love me and receive my love. Pick up truck, workmans hands and all ! 6
Author Celtica Posted April 5, 2013 Author Posted April 5, 2013 I got the impression he meant that in general in our society, these men were brought up to be providers, fathers, and leaders of the financial space in a relationship. Given the details of my own experiences I would have to agree with Radu. Most of the men I have dated that were "blue collar" or even "white collar" that got an idea that I make more money, live more extravagantly, or experience more exotic options as part of my life then they can realistically support, have not been able for any length of time to feel "fully masculine" in a relationship with me. I have never needed that, but they wanted the option to provide it. Eventually when it became painfully clear that they could not, they all bowed out. One even called himself a "free loader" even though there was nothing in our relationship (other than his knowledge of my life outside of it) that would indicate such. I understand what Radu meant. But I don't think their way of thinking is necessarily flawed or ignorant, and who knows if you can blame society for their beliefs - it could be something instinctual. But let's not dwell on this. This thread wasn't intended to rant about different classes, it was just a question of compatibility. And in your case, it seems that it hadn't worked for you.
Author Celtica Posted April 5, 2013 Author Posted April 5, 2013 Blue collar girls are happy to do way more funky stuff in bed. I agree (though with guys in my case) - once you go blue collar you can't go back...lol
melodymatters Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 AND, it was too late to edit :This term " Educated" that keeps getting thrown around? Education is a LIFE LONG process. I remember little to nothing I learned in college 20 yrs ago, but I take it upon myself to "educate" myself daily, as do most of my "blue collar" friends. Sheesh ! 1
DirtyDancing Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 Blue collar girls are happy to do way more funky stuff in bed. Totally unfair generalization!
dasein Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 (edited) I find making class distinctions such as "blue collar v white collar" very hard to do in the United States. IMO they are useful for certain statistical measures. People choose their class, or choose to cruise through with whatever they started with. Massive relative historical wealth and technological innovation allows this choice. Class is dirt cheap today. I know some rich families in my area who are effectively barbarians spending granddaddy's millions, and other families of rather modest means who have much more going in the "social class" department. We choose our class, or rather we choose a mishmash of elements from various social class categories. I find it much more useful to screen potential dates on behaviors and behavior sets than broadly by raw wealth or profession. After all, the prime criterion of both the highest and lowest socioeconomic strata in the U.S. today is that they don't work for a living. Edited April 5, 2013 by dasein 5
DirtyDancing Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 Personally, I'll date a "blue collar", craftsman type ANY DAY over : salesman, television personalities,attorney's, or stock brokers. Their loud, elitist braggadocio sounds SO much like little boys saying " well...well... your a poopy head and my dad can beat up your dad". Their insecurity at always wanting to be higher on "The Ladder" tends to make them rather pathetic.... AND their competitive nature makes them so much more likely to suffer from GIGS or worry what their peers think about their relationships. So yeah, give me a real, kind, strong, get things done, and not always look for the better deal kinda guy who is happy to love me and receive my love. Pick up truck, workmans hands and all ! To each their own! I've dated these types of men you described, and it's attractive to some! Competiveness, ambition and power are attractive qualities. What is 'GIGS'? My grandfather was a blue-collar guy and one of the best people I have ever known. It doesn't mean one is any better than the other, it's just a matter of preference and lifestyle
Author Celtica Posted April 5, 2013 Author Posted April 5, 2013 Wow, is this is some crazy classist, elitist BS or what ?!? Some people thrive in academic settings, some people's styles are more hands on. Some people hate sitting still and hate corporate, bureaucracy. Some people start their own companies and make more money than many attorney's or physicians, and have a better quality of life. How are these people stupid, or beneath the OP,or she's using them , and/or they will never fulfill her, etc ? I tended bar while owning my own theatre company for which I write, produce, direct and market for, while also practicing Real estate because it was FUN and extra money. I'm sorry all you gentleman would find me so beneath you if you ran into me at THAT job, instead of one of my others. Write a money making play and get back to me. Picking up a little Sociology 101 ten to 20 years ago at college, does not elect you to a higher level of being than say, someone like Carhill who owns properties and business's and seems like he has an open mind and native intelligence enough to read and form his own opinions in the here and now. Imagine that. Personally, I'll date a "blue collar", craftsman type ANY DAY over : salesman, television personalities,attorney's, or stock brokers. Their loud, elitist braggadocio sounds SO much like little boys saying " well...well... your a poopy head and my dad can beat up your dad". Their insecurity at always wanting to be higher on "The Ladder" tends to make them rather pathetic.... AND their competitive nature makes them so much more likely to suffer from GIGS or worry what their peers think about their relationships. So yeah, give me a real, kind, strong, get things done, and not always look for the better deal kinda guy who is happy to love me and receive my love. Pick up truck, workmans hands and all ! Wait, I'm confused, do you think I'm implying their underneath me as well? Because I'm not, just want to clear that up.
edgygirl Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 I find blue collar guys more sexy than bland white collar ones, but can't relate to them intellectually... 1
Woggle Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 I find blue collar guys more sexy than bland white collar ones, but can't relate to them intellectually... If you get to talk to them many are very smart. The other day I had a good conversation with a construction worker on his break. Much better than the crap my ive league former boss spews. 3
Author Celtica Posted April 5, 2013 Author Posted April 5, 2013 One thing I found interesting while dating my last bf was that he was surprised that I was a virgin, and I could tell he'd prefer a girl who had more experience, whereas the white-collar dudes I've dated had been generally relieved to know I've had little experience. Dunno, just another observation... 1
DirtyDancing Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 One thing I found interesting while dating my last bf was that he was surprised that I was a virgin, and I could tell he'd prefer a girl who had more experience, whereas the white-collar dudes I've dated had been generally relieved to know I've had little experience. Dunno, just another observation... It's a matter of liberal vs. conservative values I'd guess
edgygirl Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 If you get to talk to them many are very smart. The other day I had a good conversation with a construction worker on his break. Much better than the crap my ive league former boss spews. You might be right. Street and experience smarts sometimes is much more useful than academic one. Some guys are not into studying formally for years but are no less intelligent. I think the problem is most of us educated white collar women are afraid of the stereotype coming true and avoid this type of guy. Something to think about! 1
Author Celtica Posted April 5, 2013 Author Posted April 5, 2013 It's a matter of liberal vs. conservative values I'd guess I don't know, he was a full-blown Republican. But maybe you're talking about liberal/conservative views on sex. Another generalization: he had tons of tattoos. Gosh, if only it had worked out... *sigh* lol
Drseussgrrl Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 My dude has a degree in biology but runs a construction biz and is what I would consider blue collar. Best of both worlds I guess. 4
Author Celtica Posted April 5, 2013 Author Posted April 5, 2013 My dude has a degree in biology but runs a construction biz and is what I would consider blue collar. Best of both worlds I guess. Lucky Can you introduce me to any of his friends? lol
thefooloftheyear Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 Dont just ASSume that all blue collar guys cant conduct themselves in intellectual circles. Not all are "knuckle dragger" types. It takes a whole lot more intellect to be a competent tradesman in these days of complexity and computerization. Most competent auto technicians and electricians can match wits with just about anyone. Conversely, I have met too many "highly educated" morons than I can count. TFOY 6
Author Celtica Posted April 5, 2013 Author Posted April 5, 2013 I changed a tire today. Ladies, take a number. Did you change it on your pick-up truck? Te he he
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