i've noticed alot of threads about dumpers coming back after rebounds

April 3, 2013

There seems to be a pattern where the dumpee is absolutely desperate beyond belief to get the dumper back.. going through all the terribly painful stages..

whilst the dumper is going out having the time of their life with new people generally not caring.. the dumper then gets into a quick new exciting relationship and acts like it's the best thing that ever happened to them..

only for a month or two down the line for that to generally not work out for the better for many reasons. Then the dumper has to deal with the recent break up and your break up at the same time.. they start crawling back at this point..

but by this point the dumpee has usually gone through all the heartbreak this person can throw at them.. they feel a lot stronger and don't want to be with somebody who has left them for somebody else.

Is this generally how everybody see's this working ? I mean they don't always come back after a rebound right ? it just seems that way? but most people are in my frame of mind that you would never want them back anyway?

just curious as I've been reading through lots of threads lately!

this has no link to my feelings of my ex what so ever. i'll never take her back. I've made it clear everytime I see her I tell her to f*ck off. she's in a relationship with my friend and she feels guilty about it and she keeps trying to talk to me if she bumps into me drunk but i'm just awful to her. I hate her. maybe one day i'll forgive her but I doubt it.

April 3, 2013

I used to think the same as you and sadly my ex is still with her....its been 5 months.

Of course she left her last relationshipbto get with him so I dont know about double rebounds and I dont even know if they planned it...to leave each others exes to be with one another.

Its possible, but you shouldnt hope because the realtionship could very well last.

My ex's new gf SHOULD have left him at the 2 month mark when he showed signs of missing me...she bacame upset with him saying he should be over me, etc

But she's too codependant to let him go. I dont know about them anymore because im now trying to focus about getting on with my life.

Continuing on with your life is the most important thing..

April 3, 2013

My dumper was never a complete dumper he just vanished. In some regards he did me the biggest favor he couldve because it made me realize how little he actually felt for me and despite the pain enabled me to move on. The only problem is he popped back into my life no explanation like nothing happened. I ignored his efforts and eventually he did explain and apologize but things for me had changed so much towards him all I could ever feel was a sense of friendship we had over the years. I guess you could say I lost that loving feeling and you know what ..I'm glad! He was not right for me and neither is your ex for you. Be content in knowing that's all you need to be certain of.

April 3, 2013

yeah exactly, he popped back into your life and tried! From what I've read a lot do! I was so drunk this weekend. my ex bumped into me she tried to say something but I just told her to go away and didn't listen. her new boyfriend/my old friend was around somewhere. I just didn't care what she had to say. but she still felt the need to talk to me. it literally lasted like 5 seconds. I was out with a new girl anyway.

April 3, 2013

I hate her. maybe one day i'll forgive her but I doubt it.

Calgary youtube the end of Saw 3 and read the wiki for the movie. The saw movies while totally gruesome and at times utterly ridiculous, have very clever messages in all of them.

At the end of Saw 3 the message is forgiveness. Jigsaw (the main character in the saw movies) destroys a man's (Jeff's) life. He is responsible for the death of Jeff's son. He explains to Jeff that if he forgives him that both him, his wife and his daughter will be safe in the future. If he doesn't forgive Jigsaw and leave go of his anger/vengeance then Jeff's wife and his young daughter will be in danger.

Jeff can't see the potential danger around him. He is too full of anger, bitterness and vengeance. In the end he can't forgive (kills jigsaw) and he watches his wife die, while knowing his daughter is about to die too. Had he forgiven jigsaw his family would have been safe.

The point I am making Calgary. If you can't forgive your ex (and your ex mate) then your life will inevitably head towards the wrong direction. You will probably end up either single and alone, or married to the wrong person.

Harbouring resentment is like taking poison and expecting someone to die. You are like Jeff in the movie Calgary. You simply can't see the danger you are in. All this crap about hoping she comes back, so that you can sock it to her. It's all such a waste. Everyone has challenges in life. The harsh truth is you are failing this particular challenge spectacularly. You just don't get it.... This will have a huge effect on your life down the line and my words will haunt you, unless you do something about it before it's too late.

Just Watch...

Edited April 3, 2013 by Mack05

April 3, 2013

I think the problem i'm having at the moment, is that there's a fine line people step over where you're kind.. and then they flat out take advantage of your kindness and consider you a pushover.. if I continue to be the person that lets the world walk all over me and I keep forgiving it, history will just repeat itself right ? I've let a lot of things go I've forgiven a lot of people for a lot of awful things. But I can't say it's ever stopped it from happening to me again. I just don't know how to find it in myself to look my ex in the eye right now and say ' I forgive you'. i'm starting to wonder where kindness gets you in life. it helps you sleep at night knowing you did a good deed. but really somebody somewhere is just laughing at you for acting like a mug.. letting your friends take your ex girlfriend.. taking advantage of the free drinks you buy them, taking advantage or all the favours you do for them.. only for them to walk all over you and show you how much you mean to them in the end anyway. I really feel like I've tried hard to be kind to people in my life and they've usually never cared about me half as much as the people I don't seem to care about.. it's that twist. we look up to the people that look down on us and look down on the people that look up to us. probably all to do with self worth and respect and boundaries of what you'll tolerate and what you won't forgive if somebody crosses the line and them respecting you enough to not cross it. I don't know how to get that kind of respect from people. they usually take as much as they can from me and then stab me in the back.

and then of course there's people like you out there.. you don't owe me anything. I can't give you anything. you're just a genuinely decent person looking out for a stranger. I don't know many people with that kind of kindness in real life. most people want my money or something from me for the time they invest in me and when it dries up and I stop being a mug they go leech off of some other poor soul.

I really do consider you a friend mack05 you've helped me out a lot. I am still not 100% by a long shot , i'll probably still be here feeling sorry for myself in 6 months but I feel so much better than I did in the start. I owe a lot of it to this site. There are some really good people here that have always given me the time of day for nothing, when I've needed it the most. i'll always appreciate that when I look back one day.

April 3, 2013

I really do consider you a friend mack05

That's nice of you to say mate, but I'd rather you hate my guts and start to make the right choices. To start to see what is best for you.

April 3, 2013

I think the problem i'm having at the moment, is that there's a fine line people step over where you're kind.. and then they flat out take advantage of your kindness and consider you a pushover.. if I continue to be the person that lets the world walk all over me and I keep forgiving it, history will just repeat itself right ? I've let a lot of things go I've forgiven a lot of people for a lot of awful things. But I can't say it's ever stopped it from happening to me again. I just don't know how to find it in myself to look my ex in the eye right now and say ' I forgive you'. i'm starting to wonder where kindness gets you in life. it helps you sleep at night knowing you did a good deed. but really somebody somewhere is just laughing at you for acting like a mug.. letting your friends take your ex girlfriend.. taking advantage of the free drinks you buy them, taking advantage or all the favours you do for them.. only for them to walk all over you and show you how much you mean to them in the end anyway. I really feel like I've tried hard to be kind to people in my life and they've usually never cared about me half as much as the people I don't seem to care about.. it's that twist. we look up to the people that look down on us and look down on the people that look up to us. probably all to do with self worth and respect and boundaries of what you'll tolerate and what you won't forgive if somebody crosses the line and them respecting you enough to not cross it. I don't know how to get that kind of respect from people. they usually take as much as they can from me and then stab me in the back.

and then of course there's people like you out there.. you don't owe me anything. I can't give you anything. you're just a genuinely decent person looking out for a stranger. I don't know many people with that kind of kindness in real life. most people want my money or something from me for the time they invest in me and when it dries up and I stop being a mug they go leech off of some other poor soul.

I really do consider you a friend mack05 you've helped me out a lot. I am still not 100% by a long shot , i'll probably still be here feeling sorry for myself in 6 months but I feel so much better than I did in the start. I owe a lot of it to this site. There are some really good people here that have always given me the time of day for nothing, when I've needed it the most. i'll always appreciate that when I look back one day.

Sure, dont be a doormat, but just be yourself...Aside from what you might observe, not all douchebags are winners. They are only heros of their small world.

I think what you arent realizing is that its not you, Its the people you are associating with...Frankly, they suck...Maybe you need a new circle of friends/colleagues that are more aligned with your ideals...Mature people accept kindness and are willing to return the favor, not stick it up your ass.

Hang in there

TFOY

April 3, 2013

I don't believe you are a doormat if you forgive bad behaviour. If you are worried about this then forgive her in your mind like Cav suggested in your other thread.

Calgary look at the alternative. You spend 6 months on LS posting the same stuff over and over. How much a b1tch she is. How much of an @@shole he is. Eventually you will move on but you will not have moved on in a progressive way. Your feelings will have just have been suppressed. You will have just avoided everything until you get to indifference.

These suppressed feelings/emotions will come back to haunt you down the line. Feelings are like weeds. If you don't control them they run wild. You eventually meet a girl only to discover old problems come back as insecurities and you don't know how idea how to resolve them. You will eventually discover your relationship communication is poor and you drive this new girl further and further away.

I speak from experience. Now you are not me and your life is different to mine, I understand this but this all looks way to eerily similar to my life 10 years ago.

April 3, 2013

I think the problem i'm having at the moment, is that there's a fine line people step over where you're kind.. and then they flat out take advantage of your kindness and consider you a pushover.. if I continue to be the person that lets the world walk all over me and I keep forgiving it, history will just repeat itself right ? I've let a lot of things go I've forgiven a lot of people for a lot of awful things. But I can't say it's ever stopped it from happening to me again. I just don't know how to find it in myself to look my ex in the eye right now and say ' I forgive you'. i'm starting to wonder where kindness gets you in life. it helps you sleep at night knowing you did a good deed. but really somebody somewhere is just laughing at you for acting like a mug.. letting your friends take your ex girlfriend.. taking advantage of the free drinks you buy them, taking advantage or all the favours you do for them.. only for them to walk all over you and show you how much you mean to them in the end anyway. I really feel like I've tried hard to be kind to people in my life and they've usually never cared about me half as much as the people I don't seem to care about.. it's that twist. we look up to the people that look down on us and look down on the people that look up to us. probably all to do with self worth and respect and boundaries of what you'll tolerate and what you won't forgive if somebody crosses the line and them respecting you enough to not cross it. I don't know how to get that kind of respect from people. they usually take as much as they can from me and then stab me in the back.

and then of course there's people like you out there.. you don't owe me anything. I can't give you anything. you're just a genuinely decent person looking out for a stranger. I don't know many people with that kind of kindness in real life. most people want my money or something from me for the time they invest in me and when it dries up and I stop being a mug they go leech off of some other poor soul.

I really do consider you a friend mack05 you've helped me out a lot. I am still not 100% by a long shot , i'll probably still be here feeling sorry for myself in 6 months but I feel so much better than I did in the start. I owe a lot of it to this site. There are some really good people here that have always given me the time of day for nothing, when I've needed it the most. i'll always appreciate that when I look back one day.

I don't think Mack05 means by forgiveness that you have to let her in your life. Or let anyone who betrayed you in your life. You have the right to set boundaries and to continue your life without them. All forgiveness means is that you no longer brute over it, you no longer hold onto that burden of hate. Etymologically speaking, forgiveness means to "give up the desire or power to punish".

April 3, 2013

I understand what people are getting at and hopefully i'll find it in myself to forgive them both one day. but in the mean time I feel like it taught me a valuable lesson . I should careful who I care about. This is going off of topic though.

I'll be fine I feel like the hate and the anger have helped me. I think it's better she played it out this way. it helped me move on rather than still hoping and wanting her back. it's done. I guess now all I have to do is forgive them and i'll be free like you say.

It's not like she's even given me an apology in the first place.

April 3, 2013

I understand what people are getting at and hopefully i'll find it in myself to forgive them both one day. but in the mean time I feel like it taught me a valuable lesson . I should careful who I care about. This is going off of topic though.

I'll be fine I feel like the hate and the anger have helped me. I think it's better she played it out this way. it helped me move on rather than still hoping and wanting her back. it's done. I guess now all I have to do is forgive them and i'll be free like you say.

It's not like she's even given me an apology in the first place.

Can I ask you a question Calgary? Before the flirting started were there any signs/red flags with regarding this girl? Stuff where you might have said..hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

April 3, 2013

I'll be fine I feel like the hate and the anger have helped me. I think it's better she played it out this way. it helped me move on rather than still hoping and wanting her back. it's done. I guess now all I have to do is forgive them and i'll be free like you say.

It's not like she's even given me an apology in the first place.

I agree....Ill bet the ones that have a bad experience get over it better than the ones that have no explanantion...

Use that as your impetus...

TFOY

April 3, 2013

Can I ask you a question Calgary? Before the flirting started were there any signs/red flags with regarding this girl? Stuff where you might have said..hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

yeah in fairness now I look back lots of them! I shouldn't have really gotten involved with her.

April 3, 2013

yeah in fairness now I look back lots of them! I shouldn't have really gotten involved with her.

Eureka..Until you figure out why you got involved with her and why you stayed as long as you did, then you will just end up in another messy immature relationship.

My last ex was a rebound. I never dealt with the relationship before her OR my own flaws. It was a disaster. Two emotionally messed up people leading each other on a merry toxic dance.

If you don't start dealing with all this in the right way, that will be the description of your next relationship. Your ex and your ex mate will break up. Kanye West and Kim Kardishan have more chance of reaching their 50th wedding anniversary then those two have of being a long term success.

The sad thing here is, you are making the same kind of mistakes as they are. As I said this is just a bad soap opera. Breakups everywhere, anger, bitterness, no lessons learnt. The cycle repeats itself until one day you wake up and say how the fc*& did I get myself into this mess!

April 3, 2013

Had my most recent vanish, so I can relate.

It takes a while to deal with this type of abandonment doesn't it? It's not representative of the typical break up or parting and in the end, as you summarized, they just didn't care enough to even proclaim a break up let alone they did not really love you in the traditional way.

In some ways, i surmise they are not recognizing they even broke up, thus leaving the door open in their own minds. I'm surprised he had the b@lls to show up on your doorstep. Gutsy move!

My dumper was never a complete dumper he just vanished. In some regards he did me the biggest favor he couldve because it made me realize how little he actually felt for me and despite the pain enabled me to move on. The only problem is he popped back into my life no explanation like nothing happened. I ignored his efforts and eventually he did explain and apologize but things for me had changed so much towards him all I could ever feel was a sense of friendship we had over the years. I guess you could say I lost that loving feeling and you know what ..I'm glad! He was not right for me and neither is your ex for you. Be content in knowing that's all you need to be certain of.

April 4, 2013

calgary,

I have huge issues with the word forgiveness because it has been used against me pretty horrifically in the past.

I agree though with Mack. My therapist always uses the word "release" instead of forgiveness. For me it meant giving up that certain people might really have had good at heart and I didn't speak or care about them anymore. I took my power back. My life didn't revolve around their hate for me and abuse of me. (I still have issues and I am still working through the problems but I don't feel all-consuming rage and self-hate anymore.)

Healing is very non-linear and so is "releasing."

April 4, 2013

Eureka..Until you figure out why you got involved with her and why you stayed as long as you did, then you will just end up in another messy immature relationship.

My last ex was a rebound. I never dealt with the relationship before her OR my own flaws. It was a disaster. Two emotionally messed up people leading each other on a merry toxic dance.

If you don't start dealing with all this in the right way, that will be the description of your next relationship. Your ex and your ex mate will break up. Kanye West and Kim Kardishan have more chance of reaching their 50th wedding anniversary then those two have of being a long term success.

The sad thing here is, you are making the same kind of mistakes as they are. As I said this is just a bad soap opera. Breakups everywhere, anger, bitterness, no lessons learnt. The cycle repeats itself until one day you wake up and say how the fc*& did I get myself into this mess!

I stayed as long as I did because I was able to ignore/forgive the bad in reward for the few good parts.

probably stayed because I felt good giving. Not looking at what I was getting in return ? it's the kind of person I am.

I can't explain it. I think i'll be alright, I just have weak days.

I really hope I don't make their mistakes. I feel like I got myself out of this mess when I dumped her for flirting with other guys and by her actions afterwards I made the right decision I should have ended it a very long time ago.

I can't help but want their relationship to end and for her to realize she was cruel to me.. she knows she was that's why she's telling people she feels guilty. I can't help but want that apology in life. I did a lot for her and she was very disrespectful towards me. a very self centred person who caused me a lot of unnecessary heart ache. I'd like to find it in myself to be able to forgive her. I will in time.

I suppose their relationship started on rocky grounds. neither are good people so you're right. it probably won't last.

April 4, 2013

I stayed as long as I did because I was able to ignore/forgive the bad in reward for the few good parts.
probably stayed because I felt good giving. Not looking at what I was getting in return ? it's the kind of person I am.

I can't explain it. I think i'll be alright, I just have weak days.
I really hope I don't make their mistakes. I feel like I got myself out of this mess when I dumped her for flirting with other guys and by her actions afterwards I made the right decision I should have ended it a very long time ago.

I can't help but want their relationship to end and for her to realize she was cruel to me.. she knows she was that's why she's telling people she feels guilty. I can't help but want that apology in life. I did a lot for her and she was very disrespectful towards me. a very self centred person who caused me a lot of unnecessary heart ache. I'd like to find it in myself to be able to forgive her. I will in time.

I suppose their relationship started on rocky grounds. neither are good people so you're right. it probably won't last.

I wouldn't say you are codependent (google it) but I do see the potential there..

This apology you want, how is it going to affect your life going forward? Now I am like you, we are very similar actually. I used to hope for an apology, but now I understand that its simply not important.

For any mistakes I have ever made in a relationship I have said sorry. I admit sorry can be a bull***** overused word, but I still feel its important to say sorry when you know you are in the wrong.

After some relationships I have reached out 6 months later and apologised. I have made peace with some ex's and others I have not. My last ex is a b!tch. Simple as. She has emotionally and verbally abused me. Manipulated and lied to me over and over again. Will she ever say sorry? Hell would freeze over. In her twisted mind she feels I am the bad guy and I am 100% responsible for everything. Therefore she doesn't believe she is wrong and feels she has nothing to apologise for. Also apologising would probably lead to opening Pandora's box for her, so there is another reason she would never say sorry.

I used to want an apology, but know I realize why would I want an apology from someone like her? How will it effect my life (it won't). You need to accept some people are wired differently. I genuinely forgave my ex (without an apology). I have dealt with my anger towards her. I have been slowly working through the fallout from my last two relationships. Working on becoming self aware and emotionally healthy. I reached indifference towards her in a healthy way. She used anger, hatred, lies and a rebound. Now who do you think has he better odds of making a relationship work in the future?

Your ex doesn't have a good heart. She is not you, she doesn't think like you, or feel like you. Forget about the apology. Forget about the betrayal. Forget if they will break up or not. Forget about what her and her friends/family are thinking. Forget if she might grovel. IT IS NOT IMPORTANT. You have to start letting this go Calgary. As for you thinking you will be alright. You won't be, unless you start dealing with all this in the right way. Staying with someone selfish, who offers little back is a bad sign. You are on the road to codependency Calgary. You just don't get what I am trying to tell you..

Edited April 4, 2013 by Mack05

April 4, 2013

It takes a while to deal with this type of abandonment doesn't it? It's not representative of the typical break up or parting and in the end, as you summarized, they just didn't care enough to even proclaim a break up let alone they did not really love you in the traditional way.

In some ways, i surmise they are not recognizing they even broke up, thus leaving the door open in their own minds. I'm surprised he had the b@lls to show up on your doorstep. Gutsy move!

Am4Real, I think that's very possible. My ex disappeared on me without breaking up, and I suspect he is avoiding any contact because he doesn't want to proclaim a breakup... rather keep me hanging in case he wants to come back.

He has disappeared in the past (always without warning - saying talk to you tomorrow and then just disappear - for weeks). He has always come back saying he knows it's a flaw but "this is just the way I cope". It's cruel as hell - how many times have I waited in misery and anger wondering what in the world could possibly be going on or if he's even alive or dead. It took me a few weeks to start treating this as a breakup and I obviously have no idea if he sees it that way or not.

Adelia, you said your ex showed up again with an explanation - what was the explanation? (Only if you care to share).

April 4, 2013

I wouldn't say you are codependent (google it) but I do see the potential there..

This apology you want, how is it going to affect your life going forward? Now I am like you, we are very similar actually. I used to hope for an apology, but now I understand that its simply not important.

For any mistakes I have ever made in a relationship I have said sorry. I admit sorry can be a bull***** overused word, but I still feel its important to say sorry when you know you are in the wrong.

After some relationships I have reached out 6 months later and apologised. I have made peace with some ex's and others I have not. My last ex is a b!tch. Simple as. She has emotionally and verbally abused me. Manipulated and lied to me over and over again. Will she ever say sorry? Hell would freeze over. In her twisted mind she feels I am the bad guy and I am 100% responsible for everything. Therefore she doesn't believe she is wrong and feels she has nothing to apologise for. Also apologising would probably lead to opening Pandora's box for her, so there is another reason she would never say sorry.

I used to want an apology, but know I realize why would I want an apology from someone like her? How will it effect my life (it won't). You need to accept some people are wired differently. I genuinely forgave my ex (without an apology). I have dealt with my anger towards her. I have been slowly working through the fallout from my last two relationships. Working on becoming self aware and emotionally healthy. I reached indifference towards her in a healthy way. She used anger, hatred, lies and a rebound. Now who do you think has he better odds of making a relationship work in the future?

Your ex doesn't have a good heart. She is not you, she doesn't think like you, or feel like you. Forget about the apology. Forget about the betrayal. Forget if they will break up or not. Forget about what her and her friends/family are thinking. Forget if she might grovel. IT IS NOT IMPORTANT. You have to start letting this go Calgary. As for you thinking you will be alright. You won't be, unless you start dealing with all this in the right way. Staying with someone selfish, who offers little back is a bad sign. You are on the road to codependency Calgary. You just don't get what I am trying to tell you..

completely agree that it's not important. It doesn't matter if I get an apology or not. it doesn't matter if she comes running back crying. it doesn't matter if they break up. It doesn't matter if she still thinks about me daily. I'll never have anything to do with her again anyway.

Maybe it's just an ego boost thing. You'll agree though that if you was me and somebody told you they'd broken up. you couldn't help but smile.

I understand none of it is important.

I understand that i'll probably never get an apology. I don't understand why I want one.

April 4, 2013

forgiveness cannot just be given in an instant. you can TRY to forgive someone, but ultimately if you still feel a certain way, i don't see how that will do anyone any good.

i think all this talk about forgiving and not carrying resentment is a bit silly b/c it assumes ppl can just flick a switch and boom, no more resentment, forgiveness given. it's not like that though.

i've had many moments since my breakup where i saw how everything she's done, she could have had very valid reasons for (from her POV) in order to not experience more pain from our damaged relationship, but at the end of most days, i goto sleep very resentful of her and even hating her; the most common thing i think about related to my ex is fantasizing about her coming back and me either ignoring her or telling her to 'go f*** yourself'. i hate that i went through so much pain, and she treated me like our relationship never existed and i was a stranger. you go through all the memories and in our relationship she was always the one pushing things and BSing me about how special I was, marraige, kids names, etc etc, and then one day you don't want me in your life anymore and basically hasn't contacted me once in 9 months from our breakup, it's just f***ed. hard not to carry resentment. i've really tried not to and show empathy, but it's always temporary.

the pain will no doubt lessen, and it already has (i don't cry anymore at least) and esp when i find someone new, BUT, i don't think i'll ever be able to talk to her like friends or let go of the fact that she just abandoned me and treated me like i didn't exist, when i thought she loved me with all her heart.

April 4, 2013

this is exactly why i think he does the disappearing act. he wants to keep me in the background. he apparently met someone else was engaged but then it fell apart. the abandonment hurt me the most even more than the lies. when someone you love with all your heart and soul just vanishes it creates so many emotions. i went through terrible worry followed by a deep depressive sadness. it was pure hell. i will never forget it. its made me have huge trust issues with people or the ability to get too close.

before we were a couple we were friends which in some regards made it worse to deal with. i will never be with him that way again. i couldnt turn my back on him either as we shared years together. ive lost a pile if respect for him as a result. he is single and still on the market and as much as i want him to find a nice girl and be happy i really feel for tge girl he meets. i hope he treats her better.

Am4Real, I think that's very possible. My ex disappeared on me without breaking up, and I suspect he is avoiding any contact because he doesn't want to proclaim a breakup... rather keep me hanging in case he wants to come back.

He has disappeared in the past (always without warning - saying talk to you tomorrow and then just disappear - for weeks). He has always come back saying he knows it's a flaw but "this is just the way I cope". It's cruel as hell - how many times have I waited in misery and anger wondering what in the world could possibly be going on or if he's even alive or dead. It took me a few weeks to start treating this as a breakup and I obviously have no idea if he sees it that way or not.

Adelia, you said your ex showed up again with an explanation - what was the explanation? (Only if you care to share).

April 4, 2013

April 4, 2013

Nonsense.............

I'm not overly religious and I still believe in the concept of forgiveness. Does that make me wrong cause some random psychologist says so? I could post a million positive articles (Why is Forgiveness So Important?) about forgiveness.

I guess only Calgary can do what he feels what is best for him. I will continue to advise him as best I can. I hope other posters do the same. He can then use what works for him..

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