miss_jaclynrae Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 In general, yes. Very rarely do I see someone in very good physical shape look down on another of the opposite sex who is also in very good physical shape. Trust me when I say I have no issues with the way I look. My confidence is well up there. I just don't like ripped men.
fortyninethousand322 Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 There is a difference to me between a fit and active man versus a ripped one who spends every extra moment at the gym lol. Honestly, if you have a decent set of weights, you don't have to go to the gym except for certain days (like chest for me since I don't have a bench press set). You can even multitask and cook dinner between sets or listen to a podcast or a book on tape. Working out seriously doesn't have to be inconvenient... 1
USMCHokie Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 There is a difference to me between a fit and active man versus a ripped one who spends every extra moment at the gym lol. This sounds more like you have issue with a guy spending time in a place you don't, the gym, rather than how his body looks...you simply associate a more athletic body with excessive gym time and would rather a guy spend time with you doing things you'd rather do, i.e., anything but the gym...
tman666 Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 Hahahahaha @ Bearmode and builtfat. Good stuff; I'm stealing these. 2
USMCHokie Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 Honestly, if you have a decent set of weights, you don't have to go to the gym except for certain days (like chest for me since I don't have a bench press set). You can even multitask and cook dinner between sets or listen to a podcast or a book on tape. Working out seriously doesn't have to be inconvenient... I'd have to disagree with you here regarding casual training. You will likely achieve otter mode at best but more likely somewhere between between skinny fat and built fat. And I don't agree that you need to spend hours and hours at the gym every day to achieve results. Less than an hour a day for 3-5 days a week is more than enough as long as you stay focused and train hard. There are certain pele who spend an inordinate amount of time at the gym, but it's certainly not the norm. Sounds more like someone convincing themselves that they don't want to be "one of those guys"...sounds like laziness to me...
fortyninethousand322 Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 I'd have to disagree with you here regarding casual training. You will likely achieve otter mode at best but more likely somewhere between between skinny fat and built fat. To build shoulders and biceps all you need is some dumbbells. Reasonably heavy, yes, but you don't need fancy machines. Concentration curls, bicep curls, hammer curls, etc. you don't need much for those...
pteromom Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 Skinnyfat, builtfat, and chubbyfat for me. I am not a fan of highly muscular builds or extremely thin guys. But then, if a guy has a great smile and a good personality, I tend not to notice build as much. It's not at the top of my priority list.
tuxedo cat Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 I see guys hotter than Richard Gere on a daily basis...But I don't find Gere particularly attractive in the first place. At the end, it's all subjective anyway. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I don't know where you live but it's not every day that I see guys as hot as he was in his prime. He hasn't aged well. But he was quite sexy when he was very young, like in Days of Heaven. I'm not surprised that he was considered a heartthrob in his youth. His personality and intelligence don't do it for me, though. Yes, beauty is subjective. Women seem to be particularly idiosyncratic in their tastes.
ThaWholigan Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 I'd have to disagree with you here regarding casual training. You will likely achieve otter mode at best but more likely somewhere between between skinny fat and built fat. And I don't agree that you need to spend hours and hours at the gym every day to achieve results. Less than an hour a day for 3-5 days a week is more than enough as long as you stay focused and train hard. There are certain pele who spend an inordinate amount of time at the gym, but it's certainly not the norm. Sounds more like someone convincing themselves that they don't want to be "one of those guys"...sounds like laziness to me... I have to counter-disagree . I think you can certainly build a competent physique outside of the gym and I know quite a few guys who do - including my own father. However, I think it requires more discipline in general. 1
miss_jaclynrae Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 This sounds more like you have issue with a guy spending time in a place you don't, the gym, rather than how his body looks...you simply associate a more athletic body with excessive gym time and would rather a guy spend time with you doing things you'd rather do, i.e., anything but the gym... Not necessarily. The boyfriend and I go to the gym together. We just don't spend an excessive amount of time there. Ultimately yeah, I would much rather go play tennis together, run together, go hiking, than go to the gym. My man is very fit, weights happens to be one of his classes at school too which is great. I am just happy to e with a guy who doesn't obsess over going to the gym. 1
USMCHokie Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 To build shoulders and biceps all you need is some dumbbells. Reasonably heavy, yes, but you don't need fancy machines. Concentration curls, bicep curls, hammer curls, etc. you don't need much for those... Reasonably heavy is something most home gyms are very limited by...especially when you're talking about dumb bells. I don't think you really need machines either. And there's more to training than biceps and shoulders, which are two of the smallest muscle groups on your body..... I have to counter-disagree . I think you can certainly build a competent physique outside of the gym and I know quite a few guys who do - including my own father. However, I think it requires more discipline in general. Define competent....
mesmerized Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 I have to counter-disagree . I think you can certainly build a competent physique outside of the gym and I know quite a few guys who do - including my own father. However, I think it requires more discipline in general. Gee, yes if they have black genes. I know a black guy who is very muscular and he never stepped into a gym in his life. 1
fortyninethousand322 Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 Reasonably heavy is something most home gyms are very limited by...especially when you're talking about dumb bells. I don't think you really need machines either. And there's more to training than biceps and shoulders, which are two of the smallest muscle groups on your body..... Well, yes, I was using that as an example. If you know what you're doing, you can do it. Most though, I admit, do not. 1
tuxedo cat Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 It's pretty common for women to prefer the bigger yet not ripped guy. I know my wife REALLY liked me when I was up to 215...but I had gained weight too fast and was flabbier than I wanted at roughly 17-18% bodyfat but she loved it. I'm at 200lbs now at roughly 15-16% bodyfat (which is still a bit higher than I would like). My goal is to keep my same weight but at 12-13% bodyfat. Just an opposing data-point: I like lean and toned, not ripped. I've been attracted to heavier dudes--Gerard Butler has a certain appeal --but it's not my normal cup of tea. For the most part I think women prefer guys who are toned but not crazy jacked. How much body fat they prefer on their men varies more. I actually think gay men in the fashion industry are responsible for shifting the media's male ideal to a bulkier build. For whatever reason gay guys seem more often attracted to a cartoonish type of masculinity. I remember reading a study that found gay guys found more exaggerated masculine features attractive than straight women.
ascendotum Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 Ok now I know you're joking. Thanks for clarifying. No he's not. I have had hardcore gym guy's says the exact same thing as Steve when it came to their LTR women. The women are attracted to their guy's body initially because of his muscley build but are insecure over it afterwards. I know a few really beautiful women who went for big but also with a slightly chubby guys, when they married. One made the comment to others how she's lowered her standards because he has a bit of a belly, but in private mentions how she likes that because it means he's not overly vain about his appearance and so less focused on being out to impress other women plus also it takes the pressure off her now to maintain a really trim physique to try to match him. These were women in their 30s. Women in their 20s more likely have a different mindset. I've had a 6pack most of my life and it was never really a positive when it came to my gfs. They wanted more fat on me (I was thin & lean though and they had bigger builds). 1
Lonely Ronin Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) I have to counter-disagree . I think you can certainly build a competent physique outside of the gym and I know quite a few guys who do - including my own father. However, I think it requires more discipline in general. depends what you mean by competent. getting to ottermode or builtfat is possible casually working out if you have the right genetics. if you have poor genetics, its going to require a lot of discipline and a healthy life style. athletic is going to require a really low fat diet and potentially steroids depending on your genetics. Built and bodybuilder are going to require the right genetics a low fat diet, and steroids. Edited April 2, 2013 by Lonely Ronin 1
USMCHokie Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 I would also add that this becomes increasingly important as a man gets older. For guys in their 20's, the otter mode to athletic builds are a dime a dozen, but the numbers drastically decrease for men in their 30s and 40s, especially because they have less time to devote to fitness as they have increased responsibilities with work and life in general. However, not only do these fit bodies look good compared to the vast number of older, overweight men, but it also reflects a good bit about their personality. If a man is able to balance a successful career, education, etc and a social life with a high level of physical fitness combined with the discipline of a healthy lifestyle, I'd be willing to bet he'd be very desirable... 1
tuxedo cat Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 Something else to consider. What looks good on one guy can look funny on another. A short guy with a small frame and a small head may look strange with a beefed up physique.
USMCHokie Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 Something else to consider. What looks good on one guy can look funny on another. A short guy with a small frame and a small head may look strange with a beefed up physique. <----- And add a long skinny neck.
ThaWholigan Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 depends what you mean by competent. getting to ottermode or builtfat is possible casually working out if you have the right genetics. if you have poor genetics, its going to require a lot of discipline and a healthy life style. athletic is going to require a really low fat diet and potentially steroids depending on your genetics. Built and bodybuilder are going to require the right genetics a low fat diet, and steroids. I think you can reach a healthy medium in between ottermode and builtfat. Kinda what I'm going for myself. At least until gym is affordable, and even then - I would much rather cultivate the discipline to workout outside the gym as well as inside it.
tuxedo cat Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) Just looked up different build types. Had no idea there was so much terminology! Ottermode -- the swimmer look -- is the sexiest to me. Edited April 2, 2013 by tuxedo cat 2
Lonely Ronin Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 I think you can reach a healthy medium in between ottermode and builtfat. They are the same level of fitness, just on different frame sizes, hence the different look. 1
ThaWholigan Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 They are the same level of fitness, just on different frame sizes, hence the different look. Yeah true. I'm a bit too big to be ottermode. But don't really want to be builtfat either .
mesmerized Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 They are the same level of fitness, just on different frame sizes, hence the different look. A very good friend of mine is builtfat. He works out at least 2 hours a day!
USMCHokie Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 A very good friend of mine is builtfat. He works out at least 2 hours a day! No amount of gym time will change this...nutrition is the only way... 3
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