What age do men seriously stop asking for number?

[musemaj11]

Yeah its double standards just like how women think a man is cheap if he doesnt pay on dates but women can never pay yet no one calls them cheap.

 

We all have to deal with our own double standards.

[HoneyBadgerDontCare]

I'm 25 and I don't ask.

 

If I did, then she would ask me. That wouldn't go very well.

[mesmerized]

Yeah its double standards just like how women think a man is cheap if he doesnt pay on dates but women can never pay yet no one calls them cheap.

 

We all have to deal with our own double standards.

 

yeah and you wouldn't date a woman who believes in that double standard, she isn't worth getting serious with, right? We feel the same about men.

[samsungxoxo]

Yeah its double standards just like how women think a man is cheap if he doesnt pay on dates but women can never pay yet no one calls them cheap.

Techinically who ever does the first asking out (whether it's him or her) is the one paying.

 

Afterwards it can be 50/50, then followed by the switching method. In this method, I can at times pay for the whole date and then on another day he does, and so on.

 

Cheap would be doing 50/50 on every single date (instead of switching at times), having to still pay on my b-day or making him pay on his pay and taking your date to McDonalds on the first date whether it's you or her doing it (unless you're undergoing a crisis, that is not putting an effort at all).

 

No problems there.

[dasein]

Have never asked a woman's number in my life, many volunteer "3," and it took me ages to realize that was a standard lie. Going forward though, if a woman shows signs of impulsivity in spending, substance, habits, risk-taking, or any other facet of life, I will ask, and if the number is high, will add it into the other evidence of persisting impulsiveness making her unsuitable for a relationship. Sex? sure, relationship? no. Been there done that, and we do learn eventually from our mistakes.

[mesmerized]

Techinically who ever does the first asking out (whether it's him or her) is the one paying.

 

Afterwards it can be 50/50, then followed by the switching method. In this method, I can at times pay for the whole date and then on another day he does, and so on.

 

Cheap would be doing 50/50 on every single date (instead of switching at times), having to still pay on my b-day or making him pay on his pay and taking your date to McDonalds on the first date whether it's you or her doing it (unless you're undergoing a crisis, that is not putting an effort at all).

 

No problems there.

 

Honestly men complaining about women golddigging is getting SO old. Most first dates are cheap coffee and after that most women I know always pay at least half the times. Don't date golddiggers? Is it really that hard?

 

The problem is men (specially older ones) WANT to use their money to get the women out of their league. That's the only way for them to be able to achieve that. There is really no reason to complain here. You want a woman 20 years younger than you tolerate your saggy balls and boring company? You have to make it worth it for her since you don't have much else to offer. Get over it.

[fortyninethousand322]

Honestly men complaining about women golddigging is getting SO old. Most first dates are cheap coffee and after that most women I know always pay at least half the times. Don't date golddiggers? Is it really that hard?

 

The problem is men (specially older ones) WANT to use their money to get the women out of their league. That's the only way for them to be able to achieve that. There is really no reason to complain here. You want a woman 20 years younger than you tolerate your saggy balls and boring company? You have to make it worth it for her since you don't have much else to offer. Get over it.

 

Well, my other fear is that if she pays, she's saying in an indirect way that she's not interested and she doesn't want to feel guilty that I paid for her.

[HoneyBadgerDontCare]

Honestly men complaining about women golddigging is getting SO old. Most first dates are cheap coffee and after that most women I know always pay at least half the times. Don't date golddiggers? Is it really that hard?

 

The problem is men (specially older ones) WANT to use their money to get the women out of their league. That's the only way for them to be able to achieve that. There is really no reason to complain here. You want a woman 20 years younger than you tolerate your saggy balls and boring company? You have to make it worth it for her since you don't have much else to offer. Get over it.

 

People talking about "leagues" is just as annoying as men complaining about women gold digging.

[mesmerized]

Well, my other fear is that if she pays, she's saying in an indirect way that she's not interested and she doesn't want to feel guilty that I paid for her.

 

You're so cute. I actually do that on first dates when I'm not interested. If I AM interested I let him pay and I say that I get it next time.

[Pompeii]

Honestly men complaining about women golddigging is getting SO old. Most first dates are cheap coffee and after that most women I know always pay at least half the times. Don't date golddiggers? Is it really that hard?

 

The problem is men (specially older ones) WANT to use their money to get the women out of their league. That's the only way for them to be able to achieve that. There is really no reason to complain here. You want a woman 20 years younger than you tolerate your saggy balls and boring company? You have to make it worth it for her since you don't have much else to offer. Get over it.

 

That is a very unrealistic and hyperbolic example. A lot of guys I know who go on dates with women are expected to take them to five-star restaurants and go with them on expensive mall excursions to help buy them things. These guys are in the same "league" and they're not overreaching. It's as if these guys are paying her for her time.

[Apolodor]

That is a very unrealistic and hyperbolic example. A lot of guys I know who go on dates with women are expected to take them to five-star restaurants and go with them on expensive mall excursions to help buy them things. These guys are in the same "league" and they're not overreaching. It's as if these guys are paying her for her time.

 

Dating high-maintenance women these days is a real hassle (both logistically and financially). One is much better off paying for a pro -- at least there are no hidden fees down that route.......

[HoneyBadgerDontCare]

That is a very unrealistic and hyperbolic example. A lot of guys I know who go on dates with women are expected to take them to five-star restaurants and go with them on expensive mall excursions to help buy them things. These guys are in the same "league" and they're not overreaching. It's as if these guys are paying her for her time.

 

I rarely go on expensive dates. None of my friends do either. We are living in the hook up culture. You could literally just meet a girl and tell her to come over...and this will be completely acceptable.

 

It just sounds like you and your friends have bad game.

[mesmerized]

That is a very unrealistic and hyperbolic example. A lot of guys I know who go on dates with women are expected to take them to five-star restaurants and go with them on expensive mall excursions to help buy them things. These guys are in the same "league" and they're not overreaching. It's as if these guys are paying her for her time.

 

I'm sorry. I simply do not know ANY woman like that. Nor do I know any attractive guy who feels he has to do that for a woman in her league, simply none, nada. But then again, I know educated women with good careers and self respect and not prostitutes or strippers.

Edited March 30, 2013 by mesmerized

[Apolodor]

I rarely go on expensive dates. None of my friends do either. We are living in the hook up culture. You could literally just meet a girl and tell her to come over...and this will be completely acceptable.

 

It just sounds like you and your friends have bad game.

 

Are you in your 20's and still dating cheap tramps?? I don't see how any PROFESSIONAL woman who has a modicum of self-respect would just come to your place to have a glass of cheap table wine and then get romantically involved with you....

[dasein]

Are you in your 20's and still dating cheap tramps?? I don't see how any PROFESSIONAL woman who has a modicum of self-respect would just come to your place to have a glass of cheap table wine and then get romantically involved with you....

 

So you have dated many professional women? How many and what were your experiences dating them?

[HoneyBadgerDontCare]

Are you in your 20's and still dating cheap tramps?? I don't see how any PROFESSIONAL woman who has a modicum of self-respect would just come to your place to have a glass of cheap table wine and then get romantically involved with you....

 

Yes, I'm in my 20s. I'm also a professional and have dated doctors, lawyers, businesswomen, etc.

 

This is the norm. I have been on dinner dates before where I paid for the girl, but it certainly wasn't to a 5 star restaurant lol.

[Apolodor]

Yes, I'm in my 20s. I'm also a professional and have dated doctors, lawyers, businesswomen, etc.

 

This is the norm. I have been on dinner dates before where I paid for the girl, but it certainly wasn't to a 5 star restaurant lol.

 

Wait until you get a bit older and you get to meet women with more experience.

 

Perhaps you have dated the uglier ones, that's why the bill did not go up....

[HoneyBadgerDontCare]

Wait until you get a bit older and you get to meet women with more experience.

 

Perhaps you have dated the uglier ones, that's why the bill did not go up....

 

No. I've dated VERY attractive women. Some were models and many could be.

 

I've also dated women in their 30s.

 

See my above post: this doesn't happen to you because you have bad game. Go out and improve yourself and you will be capable of this too one day.

 

EDIT: Also, get some female friends. Even a guy with female friends that doesn't get girls knows your statements to be nonsense.

[Apolodor]

I rarely go on expensive dates. None of my friends do either. We are living in the hook up culture. You could literally just meet a girl and tell her to come over...and this will be completely acceptable.

 

It just sounds like you and your friends have bad game.

 

In case you need a reminder, this is what you wrote a few minutes ago. You are implying that you meet a girl and ask her to come to your place straight away.... That just BS, unless you date college girls or desperate women! I'm well past that age....

 

You need to understand that different people have different standards. And most likely your standards are pretty low as shown clearly by the statement you made above. I don't need your advice regarding my dating game, and I don't care what you think about it. Stop acting like you know everything -- at your age you should be taking mental notes from what I am kind enough to share with you.

[ffw]

Not sure why some people get uptight about this question. This not a gender biased but rather an individual question.

 

Never dated a girl who didn't ask me about my number. Past makes present & present makes future. People always make character assessments of who you are in the past and present. Based on these assessments they can decide whether or not they want to date you. It's not a big deal at all.

 

What may worked for you is not necessary will work for others also.

[dasein]

So you have dated many professional women? How many and what were your experiences dating them?

 

You need to understand that different people have different standards. And most likely your standards are pretty low as shown clearly by the statement you made above. I don't need your advice regarding my dating game, and I don't care what you think about it. Stop acting like you know everything -- at your age you should be taking mental notes from what I am kind enough to share with you.

 

Still waiting for an answer to my question above, and wonder why you are accusing posters of "acting like they know everything" instead of answering it and sharing all the experience you have dating professional women with all of us.

[Star Gazer]

Are you in your 20's and still dating cheap tramps?? I don't see how any PROFESSIONAL woman who has a modicum of self-respect would just come to your place to have a glass of cheap table wine and then get romantically involved with you....

 

Huh? Being a professional is what one does to earn a living. How one carries herself romantically and when dating is something entirely different.

[Apolodor]

Still waiting for an answer to my question above, and wonder why you are accusing posters of "acting like they know everything" instead of answering it and sharing all the experience you have dating professional women with all of us.

 

Amigo, did it occur to you that I am not obliged in any way to share with you that information?? If it makes you sleep better tonight, you may just assume that I did not date any professional women.... They were all taken by Mr. HoneyBadgerBS.....

[wheream_i]

It's not something I would ask a woman until I'm settled or committed with her. Even then, I'd be afraid of the answer.

[HoneyBadgerDontCare]

In case you need a reminder, this is what you wrote a few minutes ago. You are implying that you meet a girl and ask her to come to your place straight away.... That just BS, unless you date college girls or desperate women! I'm well past that age....

 

You need to understand that different people have different standards. And most likely your standards are pretty low as shown clearly by the statement you made above. I don't need your advice regarding my dating game, and I don't care what you think about it. Stop acting like you know everything -- at your age you should be taking mental notes from what I am kind enough to share with you.

 

LOL @ this post.

 

First, calm down. You're coming off as extremely butt-hurt. That's not attractive to women.

 

Second, I HAVE met girls and slept with them that night. I've slept with girls after the first date. I've slept with girls after knowing them for minutes (this is not the norm, but it has happened). This is quite common today. Many of my friends have done this many times.

 

Third, I have VERY high standards. As I said, I only date attractive women.

 

Fourth, age doesn't correlate to experience. Many of the dreary posters you read about on here are in their 30s and 40s, while many of the experienced posters are in their 20s.

 

Fifth, I stand by my statement in regards to your game and experience level with women.