Woggle Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Maybe because you all kill each other before heading to divorce court? I'll keep "fake" Southern hospitality, you keep snooki and jwow, deal? No because we aren't a bunch of moral hypocrites and people are more real down here.
dasein Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Adapt? Men have been adapting to the modern woman for several years now. Men read all kinds of material to turn themselves into the most elite man they can become to fit women's preferences just so they can have more success in the dating arena. Women hold most of the power in dating. So, what are you talking about? I think by "it is time that men adapt," she meant that we should form a real, live "patriarchy," cage them all and engineer them eugenically to our specifications and desires. That's what you meant by "adapt," right RR?
dasein Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 No because we aren't a bunch of moral hypocrites and people are more real down here. Wait, no, I'm "down here" and you're "up there."
Woggle Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Wait, no, I'm "down here" and you're "up there." Well whatever. I would never want to live in the south.
Woggle Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Coming from a guy who married and divorced a real gem. Your weather sucks, your taxes sucks and your cost of living sucks, Do you think being impolite, impersonal and rude is real / better? As opposed to all us fake people down here? Also, why do all you people in NE move down South / Texas / Arizona when they retire and then rail against / complain that you didn't do it a lot sooner? Did these people get smarter or they want to be miserable and not enjoy their retirement years? I agree the taxes could be better but anything worth having usually costs more. Until recently we escaped extreme weather and I hope Sandy is not the start of a trend. Now that we got that out of the way I don't think that people here are rude or impersonal. I have met many friends plus my wife just walking up and down the boardwalk. People are really nice here and during Sandy people went out of their way to help each other. Many people who had power put power strips outside of their house so complete strangers could charge their phones. We might be a little rough around the edges but the love is real. Living here there is something no matter what kind of mood I am in. I am at the shore which is beautiful even after Sandy and if I want to go down the Pine barrens for some nature I can or if I want to go and gamble I can go down to Atlantic City or if I want a small town experience I can go to many places in South Jersey. If I want to go to New York for a day it is only a train or bus ride away. There is much diversity in this state and Camden and Newark are the only real bad areas anymore. Also we might elect republicans but people like Sarah Palin couldn't get elected to dog catcher here which makes me proud. The kind of people that move to Florida are the kind I don't want to live around anyway. We are better off without them.
dasein Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Well whatever. I would never want to live in the south. The only thing that would keep me from living up North again is the chance of crazies flying planes into my neighborhood again, and having to live in a crater for another couple of years, otherwise it was an overall good experience.
RedRobin Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 I have lived in the NE my entire life and I wouldn't trade it for the world. It is a nice contrast to fake southern hospitality. There is a reason my state has the lowest divorce rate in the nation. Yea, I guess I shoulda brought one with me when I took the job up here... There are a lot of things I dislike about the South, mostly the racism and Bible belt. the hospitality isn't fake. I'd argue more subtle... but not fake. TBH, I haven't really had a problem adapting to either culture... it is just the selection of men in this region is particularly poor...
RedRobin Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Coming from a guy who married and divorced a real gem. Your weather sucks, your taxes sucks and your cost of living sucks, Do you think being impolite, impersonal and rude is real / better? As opposed to all us fake people down here? Also, why do all you people in NE move down South / Texas / Arizona when they retire and then rail against / complain that you didn't do it a lot sooner? Did these people get smarter or they want to be miserable and not enjoy their retirement years? Well, the very practical part of me says folks down South will be moving back up to the Rust Belt when they run out of water... and that isn't all that far away. Now, if our good 'ol Gov keeps the frackers out of here, we might keep it that way. We do have abundant water... and for that reason, I will not sell my house when I move. I'll move down South, find me a man, then move him up to my little 'ol place near the Appalachia of the North, ha ha. Or we'll be really wasteful and keep two houses... just like the rest of the snow birds
chex Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Yea, I guess I shoulda brought one with me when I took the job up here... There are a lot of things I dislike about the South, mostly the racism and Bible belt. the hospitality isn't fake. I'd argue more subtle... but not fake. TBH, I haven't really had a problem adapting to either culture... it is just the selection of men in this region is particularly poor... When southerners get mad, they get more mad than northerners. When northerners aren't mad, they're more dickish than southerners. Solution: move to washington state or something. Oregon maybe.
TheZebra Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 How did this turn into a NE vs SE argument? lol I went to AL a few weeks ago and while yes, people are very friendly, I would never want to live in the South. As a foreigner, it's alarming how closed-minded and ignorant some of these people are. Many don't even know what continent my home country is in! Not to mention, IMO, a lot of them look kinda weird... like inbred. To be fair, I've seen people like that in CT too so it's not an exclusively southern problem in the looks department. Even some of the capitals have such a lack of culture and diversity. I guess I'm a big city girl, and can't imagine not living somewhere like NY or Chicago - despite how crummy the weather is.
Lonely Ronin Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 You win!! Yes, I do live in the NE... and in the armpit of the NE at that. So you moved to philly? 1
Pompeii Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 (edited) Coming from a guy who married and divorced a real gem. Your weather sucks, your taxes sucks and your cost of living sucks, Do you think being impolite, impersonal and rude is real / better? As opposed to all us fake people down here? Also, why do all you people in NE move down South / Texas / Arizona when they retire and then rail against / complain that you didn't do it a lot sooner? Did these people get smarter or they want to be miserable and not enjoy their retirement years? Our weather sucks? I guess if you don't like the cold. A lot of people in the Northeast also move out West. The real issue here is that your region is just intolerant. You may not be, but your region is. Your region is hostile to anyone who does not fit the traditional American good 'ol boy mold. Why do you think most of the universities that are revered in higher education are in the Northeast and West? Rent is cheaper in the South because most people don't want to live down there. The only thing I can say that is great about the South is Texas because there's no property tax there. Austin is an awesome city, but for the most part that's about it. I guess the South is great if you like anti-scientific Bible-thumping conservatives and Barbeque. I'd rather take East Coast snobby elitism over old money Southern elitism any day. Edited March 27, 2013 by Pompeii 1
Els Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 (edited) Can I move to where you live? NYC sucks for dating I don't currently live there; and I don't think you'd want to. It's a place with some pretty sexist norms and just third world mentality all around. Men are taught from a young age that there are 'respectable' women (ie virgins), and if you respect them you should wait for marriage before taking their virginity. They are also taught that they need to be able to 'afford' a woman financially before they should try to court her. Women, on the other hand, are taught that marriage is the most important goal for a woman, above and beyond her career, and also that if you are 'fat' and 'old' (which means something like 130 lbs and 35 years old to the people there) you'll never find a mate. There's a reason the bf and I emigrated, after all. OTOH, I do think that the polar opposite route that American culture seems to propagate (especially in regards to sex) isn't a great idea, either. We like finding our own balance and being in the middle. Edited March 27, 2013 by Elswyth
iKING Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 I don't currently live there; and I don't think you'd want to. It's a place with some pretty sexist norms and just third world mentality all around. Men are taught from a young age that there are 'respectable' women (ie virgins), and if you respect them you should wait for marriage before taking their virginity. They are also taught that they need to be able to 'afford' a woman financially before they should try to court her. Women, on the other hand, are taught that marriage is the most important goal for a woman, above and beyond her career, and also that if you are 'fat' and 'old' (which means something like 130 lbs and 35 years old to the people there) you'll never find a mate. There's a reason the bf and I emigrated, after all. OTOH, I do think that the polar opposite route that American culture seems to propagate (especially in regards to sex) isn't a great idea, either. We like finding our own balance and being in the middle. Just thought I'd chime in here and laugh at the stereotypes.. Because some of them are kind of true. Arizona isn't bad, and I'd imagine NY isn't either, that's where half of my family moved here from. It's just less hectic down here I suppose. People are still people no matter where you go. Not everyone here is republican, religious, or respectful, but there are those who are. I'm neither republican nor religious, and its been rather easy to meet like minded individuals. The wealthy towns (1.5Mill for a loft towns) are mostly liberal, whereas the suburbs and quarter mill house areas are mostly republican. The dating scene here isn't bad, there's a mix of everything. We have from A-Z, wholesome, hedonist, stuck up, laid back, religious, atheist, parties, charity events, etc. You guys get my point. Sometimes I really wonder how this state doesn't go to war with itself, but for the most part we all get along. I'd assume It's the same elsewhere as well. People are just people and there is no true "holy land" of sorts where everything is easy. No matter where you go you'll run into both fake and genuine individuals with an array of personal beliefs. I'm a mix of all belief systems, liberal in some respects, conservative in some others, but I try not to judge anyone for adhering to one thing or another. You can find a diamond in the rough no matter where you go or live. It's just not always easy to find someone nearly identical to another because we're all so different and that's what makes us great as a species. Keep your hopes up guys.
Els Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Just thought I'd chime in here and laugh at the stereotypes.. Because some of them are kind of true. Arizona isn't bad, and I'd imagine NY isn't either, that's where half of my family moved here from. It's just less hectic down here I suppose. People are still people no matter where you go. Not everyone here is republican, religious, or respectful, but there are those who are. I'm neither republican nor religious, and its been rather easy to meet like minded individuals. The wealthy towns (1.5Mill for a loft towns) are mostly liberal, whereas the suburbs and quarter mill house areas are mostly republican. The dating scene here isn't bad, there's a mix of everything. We have from A-Z, wholesome, hedonist, stuck up, laid back, religious, atheist, parties, charity events, etc. You guys get my point. Sometimes I really wonder how this state doesn't go to war with itself, but for the most part we all get along. I'd assume It's the same elsewhere as well. People are just people and there is no true "holy land" of sorts where everything is easy. No matter where you go you'll run into both fake and genuine individuals with an array of personal beliefs. I'm a mix of all belief systems, liberal in some respects, conservative in some others, but I try not to judge anyone for adhering to one thing or another. You can find a diamond in the rough no matter where you go or live. It's just not always easy to find someone nearly identical to another because we're all so different and that's what makes us great as a species. Keep your hopes up guys. I wasn't talking about south USA, if that's where you were guessing. :laugh:
iKING Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 I wasn't talking about south USA, if that's where you were guessing. :laugh: Oh no I know, just wanted to take the opportunity to clarify some things for people who made mention of az. You happened to provide a good entry point for that. 1
HoneyBadgerDontCare Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 So you moved to philly? Nah bro. She lives in New Jersey. (my condolenses RedRobin....I wouldn't want to date anyone from there either )
HoneyBadgerDontCare Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Oh no I know, just wanted to take the opportunity to clarify some things for people who made mention of az. You happened to provide a good entry point for that. I'm from the Northeast and moved to the Southwest. The Southwest is definitely better. I don't understand the rest of the debate. 1
GorillaTheater Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 As far as I'm concerned, you are exactly the kind of guy they describe... you expect sweetness, light, and a naïve trust from the ladies you court so that you personally are not inconvenienced... while ignoring the very fact that for her to do so makes her rather retarded. Always interesting to see how we come across to others. I've been married almost 30 years (to a woman), and have four daughters (who also happen to be women), but you're partly correct about my courting days back in the dim mists of time: I liked to keep things light, while at the same time placing high value on humor and intelligence. I tried to make sure their needs were met without compromising who I was. Still holds true today. But you're also wrong. I've dated the dumb ones, pretended or not, and they held no appeal. I've dated smart but humorless. Same. I want a woman who speaks her mind, but preferably one without a chip on her shoulder. Not that this has anything to do with anything, but I wanted to address your impressions about me. I'm still a bit curious how you shaped them. 1
RedRobin Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Always interesting to see how we come across to others. I've been married almost 30 years (to a woman), and have four daughters (who also happen to be women), but you're partly correct about my courting days back in the dim mists of time: I liked to keep things light, while at the same time placing high value on humor and intelligence. I tried to make sure their needs were met without compromising who I was. Still holds true today. But you're also wrong. I've dated the dumb ones, pretended or not, and they held no appeal. I've dated smart but humorless. Same. I want a woman who speaks her mind, but preferably one without a chip on her shoulder. Not that this has anything to do with anything, but I wanted to address your impressions about me. I'm still a bit curious how you shaped them. I think I already mentioned that I don't know how that got put in there... it was edited out of another post meant for LR.... TBH, I still kind of feel that way about LR... but I decided to edit it out because it wasn't helpful. Anyway... So when I responded to your earlier post, someone posted immediately after me and I didn't have a chance to amend. ... long story short... it wasn't intended for you. Glad to hear you've had a happy marriage!
RedRobin Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 When southerners get mad, they get more mad than northerners. When northerners aren't mad, they're more dickish than southerners. Solution: move to washington state or something. Oregon maybe. Yes, Seattle and Portland are very high on my list.... If I were going to sell everything and pitch a tent somewhere... that would be my first pick in the US. (oh, and Upstate NY has just as many cloudy days as Seattle)
GorillaTheater Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 I think I already mentioned that I don't know how that got put in there... it was edited out of another post meant for LR.... TBH, I still kind of feel that way about LR... but I decided to edit it out because it wasn't helpful. Anyway... So when I responded to your earlier post, someone posted immediately after me and I didn't have a chance to amend. ... long story short... it wasn't intended for you. Glad to hear you've had a happy marriage! Ah, gotcha. "Happy" may be putting too fine a point on it. I'm not here just for the banter and joke platform. But we're working on it. 2
RedRobin Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Ah, gotcha. "Happy" may be putting too fine a point on it. I'm not here just for the banter and joke platform. But we're working on it. If it makes you feel better... my parents came close to divorcing right around the 30 year mark. My mom did something much worse than sleeping with another man (at least in my dad's eyes).... She spent 10K without telling my dad... He told us kids... "RR, I'm thinking about divorcing your mom" I said "OH NO YOU DONT! I'm not about to go to two different houses for XMAS. You guys figure it out". I had to mediate a much smaller battle of the bushes a couple of weeks ago. I'm the family mediator (don't laugh!!!) Seriously... go check out MarriageBuilders (if you can get past the religiosity). They did it and their marriage has never been better. They always had a good foundation... but it really helped them get through conflicts a lot faster and with more satisfying results for both of them... Took a lot of the emotion out of managing their differences too. 1
Lonely Ronin Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 (edited) As far as I'm concerned, you are exactly the kind of guy they describe... you expect sweetness, light, and a naïve trust from the ladies you court so that you personally are not inconvenienced... while ignoring the very fact that for her to do so makes her rather retarded. it was edited out of another post meant for LR.... TBH, I still kind of feel that way about LR... but I decided to edit it out because it wasn't helpful. I know this is what you think Red, it's OK, you're entitled to your opinion. It makes me smile though, because most of them women I have dated would set your ears on fire if they knew you where referring to them as naive, or retarded. They have all been highly motivated very strong willed women. I specifically avoid the really sensitive, highly emotional women, because I was raised in a home with a very strong mother, so I'm not very good with the delicate flower types. Edited March 27, 2013 by a LoveShack.org Moderator 1
William Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 If we can steer this back to guy's opinions of girls who are not promiscuous and have strong morals, moderation will be happy to leave this thread open for discussion. Otherwise, we'll move on.
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