sillyanswer Posted March 13, 2013 Posted March 13, 2013 The women give them money too, so they have more time for sexin! Damn. I must be doing it wrong!
ThaWholigan Posted March 13, 2013 Posted March 13, 2013 The women give them money too, so they have more time for sexin! Pimpnosis is a powerful force. I have a friend, who at one time, was in a rooster/harem/rockstar type relationship with X women, most of relatively high quality (not crackies or psychos, students and women with jobs), for some time (I know what X represents but you wouldn't believe it). Many of these women would come to his house, blow him, and then leave. In and out in ten minutes. Some of them had their BFs drop them off, blow my friend (their study partner ) and then come pick them up later. I was a houseguest while this was going on, am a bit more discerning, or could have easily participated. If two were there, he would get them to go down on each other, watch, and then do him. Even if they weren't gay, they did this, and didn't bat an eyelash. What blew my mind in this scenario was the women didn't want anything other than to -blow- my friend for the most part, few of them even asked about dating or a relationship, and he wasn't really giving anything in return other than access to his wingwang, which is nothing out of the ordinary sizewise. He is better than average looking, but no Adonis, not rich, not famous, not adult friend find he met all these women out, not in a swinger club, not a pimp, not even a college grad, charismatic but no Svengali. Was a complete eye opener for me. He kept it quiet, and probably wouldn't have ever told me if I hadn't been visiting. Later found out that another friend, similarly situated, had the same kind of deal going on, a third to a lesser degree, but still several women, with no expectations of him. The first guy grew out of it or got tired of it, but still has an address book literally full of these women. He's been in my house before, last year, and can call these women at -all hours- of the night or day, and with just a few calls, will get one to come to him, at 3 AM, give him a BJ and leave soon after. He must have some kind of female catnip tasting dick or something. Was just a few of the datapoints that led me to the conclusions reached in my previous post. You wanna know what I find so funny about that story? At least half of my social circle of guys do this or have done this. 1
dasein Posted March 13, 2013 Posted March 13, 2013 This I can somewhat agree with. But what is the "average woman"? Do you mean "average" in terms of looks or in terms of general population? If it's the former, I highly doubt that the "average woman" attracts significant amounts of male attention. I don't know a lot of desperate guys so their baseline for what they require in a mate is much higher. I also do not believe that they are part of that 10% "elect". 50th percentile in her pool, and remember "mating" in this context means sex, not necessarily dating or a relationship. And yes, ask an average, not fat, but not necessarily body beautiful, set of female friends how often they get hit on, go out with them and watch. Find out how many guys are pursuing them at any given time, in a city or larger town. You may be surprised what you find. Average men have to work much harder to develop the same amount of opportunities. Otherwise, you are certainly welcome to your opinion and your interpretation of yours and friends experience. I know what I have seen and experienced living in many different pools and being both in and out of the 90th % in many different contexts over two decades of mating and dating.
dasein Posted March 13, 2013 Posted March 13, 2013 You wanna know what I find so funny about that story? At least half of my social circle of guys do this or have done this. I don't doubt that a bit. Have spent significant time in life in more conservative-cultured dating pools than London.
ThaWholigan Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 50th percentile in her pool, and remember "mating" in this context means sex, not necessarily dating or a relationship. And yes, ask an average, not fat, but not necessarily body beautiful, set of female friends how often they get hit on, go out with them and watch. Find out how many guys are pursuing them at any given time, in a city or larger town. You may be surprised what you find. Average men have to work much harder to develop the same amount of opportunities. Otherwise, you are certainly welcome to your opinion and your interpretation of yours and friends experience. I know what I have seen and experienced living in many different pools and being both in and out of the 90th % in many different contexts over two decades of mating and dating. I hear this a lot, and to be honest it varies quite a bit. I have known some very pretty girls that don't get hit on for whatever reason. Sometimes it is the energy they project in terms of low confidence, other times it is because their beauty is intimidating for some guys. Contrast that to some "average" (don't really use the term much) women who project as though they have got it all going on. Some of the sexiest women I have ever had the pleasure of engaging with have been women who otherwise wouldn't be described as universally attractive, and ironically some of the least hit-on women I have met have been of similar ilk. We have even had a few examples show up on this forum - decent looking women. Generally, I have been out and seen women get hit on much more than guys get hit on, and I think that the difference between guys who do decently, and guys who do poorly is because guys who hit on girls successfully don't see it as work - even if it's harder for them than some guys (i.e. naturals). 1
dasein Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 10 seems like an average number for a guy? Most of the guys I know or have dated have been with at least ten women unless they married young or something. I guess it depends on location, though. What is that on your avatar's chest? It looks like Karen O with whipped cream on her tits on my small notebook screen.
ThaWholigan Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I don't doubt that a bit. Have spent significant time in life in more conservative-cultured dating pools than London. Yeah, the British have a reputation for the "no sex please, we're british" thing, but London at it's hottest is a big fat orgy . I often remark on these forums that I was often the odd one out in terms of getting laid, especially as every single one of my younger brothers had lost their virginity before I did . (All lost at 13)
HoneyBadgerDontCare Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 50th percentile in her pool, and remember "mating" in this context means sex, not necessarily dating or a relationship. And yes, ask an average, not fat, but not necessarily body beautiful, set of female friends how often they get hit on, go out with them and watch. Find out how many guys are pursuing them at any given time, in a city or larger town. You may be surprised what you find. Average men have to work much harder to develop the same amount of opportunities. Otherwise, you are certainly welcome to your opinion and your interpretation of yours and friends experience. I know what I have seen and experienced living in many different pools and being both in and out of the 90th % in many different contexts over two decades of mating and dating. If that's the cases, then what special powers did the friend that you listed have? Because you basically described as average, more or less. I've been in situations like your friend too. There were times when I was dating multiple girls at one time, some of which had their boyfriends (unbeknownst to them) actually pay for our nights out. But it wasn't like I did nothing to get these girls. I approached them, got them attracted, kept them attracted, then sealed the deal. It always takes some amount of work (some are easier than others of course)...and I believe that any guy can do that kind of stuff if they are willing to invest that much time into it.
quietGuy13 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 then 20% of the guys sleep with 80% of the women. Uhh bad math. Cause not all women date or want to have any love. Plus some are lesbian. So it's more like this The 20% top guys sleep with 50% of the women. Here's the fomula of women AvailableWomenFor20%Topmen = Stragith ones - lesbian ones - angry frustrated feminists - women who hate men - women who not necesarily hate men but are not interested in dating - Asexual women. Simple math
SJC2008 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I'm not a buyer of the 20/80. 80% of people aren't average/cute or better, let alone women. I'm sure there's a dispergence for casual sex, 30/50 TOPS but for relationships people usually wind up with someone in their league or very close.
jma500 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I don't buy the whole ratio thing. I had a friend that would have a different woman almost every night and when we were teens i envied him. However when i hit my early twenties i realized that this life wasn't for me. I wanted the connection which his lifestyle could never bring. He even continued this life when he had a girlfriend and even a fiancee. His fiancee was really hurt by this. That was when i cut contact with him because i couldn't be around anyone bereft of conscience. I knew even then that if i was lucky enough to find a girlfriend and further a fiancee i would never treat her like that.
jcrew11 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I think its not about the "Top Men" - its about the 80% of "forever Alone" single men who can't get a date because they are clueless and don't try enough. Its very easy for a "guy to become a player" and date 2 girls at a time. By that math, its 2 girls for 1 guy. By that same logic, there is some poor lonely guy who has 0 girls for 1 guy. So, a guys goal should be getting 1 girl for each guy - but we really know many men want to become players to change it to 5 girls for 1 guy.
jma500 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I think its not about the "Top Men" - its about the 80% of "forever Alone" single men who can't get a date because they are clueless and don't try enough. Its very easy for a "guy to become a player" and date 2 girls at a time. By that math, its 2 girls for 1 guy. By that same logic, there is some poor lonely guy who has 0 girls for 1 guy. So, a guys goal should be getting 1 girl for each guy - but we really know many men want to become players to change it to 5 girls for 1 guy. The first sentence is me. There is a lot of truth in this post.
quietGuy13 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 You guys are forgetting something. WOMEN LOVE PLAYBOYS or SUPERSUCCESSFULDUDES. THat mean guess who's the top men? Nerdy Asian guys with glasses!!!! Cause they're the ones getting computer science jobs and women flock to them(only for the money)
HoneyBadgerDontCare Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I think its not about the "Top Men" - its about the 80% of "forever Alone" single men who can't get a date because they are clueless and don't try enough. Its very easy for a "guy to become a player" and date 2 girls at a time. By that math, its 2 girls for 1 guy. By that same logic, there is some poor lonely guy who has 0 girls for 1 guy. So, a guys goal should be getting 1 girl for each guy - but we really know many men want to become players to change it to 5 girls for 1 guy. Here's what happens with me: Every night I go out, I'll make an average of about 15 approaches (this varies though....sometimes, it only takes 1 approach, other times it takes 30...but an average of 15). Generally, I'll either have sex with a girl that night or walk away with 3 solid numbers. Most of my numbers (not all) turn into dates...so I'll say 2 out of those 3. Then 1 out of those 2 turns into something that could potentially last. Rinse and repeat. That's how successful guys get girls in their lives. HOWEVER, if it's social circle, my ratio is 100% (unless the girl has a bf). If I've met the girl through friends, I ALWAYS get them if I try (like I said in a previous post, some of these girls require more work than others...but they all come around). It wasn't always like this though, but after many life experiences (both with women and life in general), it has become extremely easy. The problem with most guys is that they don't look at dating as sales, which it effectively is. Throw out a wide net and see who responds. Once one potential client (girl) responds, then laser focus until you get her. As you become more experienced and more confident, the quality of the girls you get increases of course. It's just like with anything else: do something, learn from it, get better. It's just a matter of time and effort, really.
fortyninethousand322 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 First of all, is what "Top Men" means. Secondly, as far as the content of your post. It's not a 80-20 rule, as far as I'm concerned. It's more like a 20-10 rule or a 25-10 rule. Basically 10% of the male population is sleeping with, on average between 2 and 2.5 women (who are sexually exclusive with him). These are the so-called "top men". But there's nothing about them that's all that top aside from probably having good genes that are subconsciously picked up by some women. This skews the already skewed demographics which in the US are 104 males for every 100 females. So, adjusting for the "top men" you get a new ratio of about 94 men for every 74-79 females (depending on whether the top men were averaging 2 or 2.5 women). So, somewhere between 15-21% of men are on the outside looking in. That's a far more plausible scenario than 80-20.
MrCastle Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Both sexes have people that are naturally going to do better with dating for a variety of reasons. But it is not some exclusive club where your hand has been stamped and everyone knows who you are. Women don't reject guys because they're not "in the 20%". 3
HoneyBadgerDontCare Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Both sexes have people that are naturally going to do better with dating for a variety of reasons. But it is not some exclusive club where your hand has been stamped and everyone knows who you are. Women don't reject guys because they're not "in the 20%". I'd go further with this in saying that ANYBODY could be in the "20%" if they really want to. You should understand that, Castle. You're the one that's always talking about how much better you've gotten with women after putting in the effort. 1
MrCastle Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I'd go further with this in saying that ANYBODY could be in the "20%" if they really want to. You should understand that, Castle. You're the one that's always talking about how much better you've gotten with women after putting in the effort. I initially wrote at the end of my post "I wasn't a "top" guy and now I am," but didn't want to come across as bragging. But you raise a good point. Even if for the sake of argument there was a 20%, guys can improve themselves and become part of that exclusive group. 1
TheGuard13 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I think we all know where the top men are... http://img.youtube.com/vi/Fdjf4lMmiiI/0.jpg Sorting through all the boxes.
jma500 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I think its not about the "Top Men" - its about the 80% of "forever Alone" single men who can't get a date because they are clueless and don't try enough. Its very easy for a "guy to become a player" and date 2 girls at a time. By that math, its 2 girls for 1 guy. By that same logic, there is some poor lonely guy who has 0 girls for 1 guy. So, a guys goal should be getting 1 girl for each guy - but we really know many men want to become players to change it to 5 girls for 1 guy. I cannot believe how this first sentence resonates with me. Hell i even thought, because i believed that women only were attracted to men like former friend, that i was forever alone. Missed out on some opportunities with women that way. Now if i could get this part of my life figured out maybe i could find a girlfriend.
aed Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I think people read to deep in this theory. When you ask random women to qualify a group of men lets say 100. 90% of them will find 20 attractive. And the point out the same 20 men. With men there is much more variable. In these experiments to took random groups of people. Also women happen to sleep with the same guy (not at the same time). But in an Urban area: where the average sexual partners for a guy is 10 (just a random number) if if you take a group of friends of 10 and a group of women 10. this means: 1 guy will is sleeping with 6 of them 2: is having a girl friend 1 is getting nothing. This is what people mean by that. Some guys sleep with 50 women in 2 years and some sleep with 1 or 0 in 2 years. Oh and people that are hang up with my numbers it is just made up. It is the example I try to make.
TouchedByViolet Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I define "top men" as those who have minimal difficulty getting dates, sex or relationships. I worked with a guy who was so smooth he had his first child at 16 lol. This guy was a total womanizer and had a constant stream of women trying to get with him. He was good looking and very smooth when he talked though. The men who try but still have practically no success are not "top men"
jma500 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Those who have the most success know the least about what they are doing right. They are as clueless as everyone else. Only arrogance and those who wish to idolize them create the air of some secret wisdom they do not possess. They don't have an innate ability either making them some sort of idiot savant. Women prefer certain characteristics that you either have or don't. You can't develop them and you can't fake them. You can just happen to have them. This would explain why women liked me in late twenties to mid thirties. But doesn't account for them not liking me now.
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