I think the number one reason people think men are more shallow

[pbjbear]

Fertility? Ha.

 

Here's what's up. The vast majority of men don't care about makeup, or what latest fashion a woman is wearing or what kind of facial paint she's is wearing or what kind of bag she has. That's all noise.

 

If women truly dressed to impress men, they would only wear bikinis and lingerie.

 

Make-up is fine when being used to hide flaws and everything else is overkill. Long silky hair is nice but not wild hairstyles.

 

Most plastic surgery looks horrible anyways.

 

Men do pick women who are wearing makeup over women who dont. There are alot of studies to back me up on this. Most studies find when presented with a picture of a girl wearing no makeup, some natural makeup to make herself look better thats not obvious, and obvious makeup (like colored lipstick and eyeshadow, overdone lashes) the vast majority go for the girl in the middle. Guys are generally clueless about makeup though so you cant trust them to determine if a girl is wearing it or not. Most girls wear makeup that enhances their natural features. None of my longer dating partners figured out I wear powder, under eye concealer, a light coat of mascara, wear light blush and fill in my brows because its not super obvious.

Still though, the vast majority of men I know like it when a girl wears some makeup.

 

With fashion...ehhh it doesnt matter as much. Now body type and body fat % does matter alot

Edited March 12, 2013 by pbjbear

[mesmerized]

Fertility? Ha.

 

Here's what's up. The vast majority of men don't care about makeup, or what latest fashion a woman is wearing or what kind of facial paint she's is wearing or what kind of bag she has. That's all noise.

 

If women truly dressed to impress men, they would only wear bikinis and lingerie.

 

Make-up is fine when being used to hide flaws and everything else is overkill. Long silky hair is nice but not wild hairstyles.

 

Most plastic surgery looks horrible anyways.

 

No, women dress up to impress other women.

 

like Mr "I have no friends" knows what the majority of men want.

[iKING]

I think a lot girls are really pretty without makeup on.

 

Once you live with one, odds are you'll start appreciating it more.

[somedude81]

Men do pick women who are wearing makeup over women who dont. There are alot of studies to back me up on this. Most studies find when presented with a picture of a girl wearing no makeup, some natural makeup to make herself look better thats not obvious, and obvious makeup (like colored lipstick and eyeshadow, overdone lashes) the vast majority go for the girl in the middle. Guys are generally clueless about makeup though so you cant trust them to determine if a girl is wearing it or not. Most girls wear makeup that enhances their natural features. None of my longer dating partners figured out I wear powder, under eye concealer, a light coat of mascara, wear light blush and fill in my brows because its not super obvious.

Still though, the vast majority of men I know like it when a girl wears some makeup.

 

With fashion...ehhh it doesnt matter as much. Now body type and body fat % does matter alot

Hah, that kind of tosses out the whole idea that men care about makeup.

 

like Mr "I have no friends" knows what the majority of men want.

Wow you really are something.

 

Do you have any common sense at all?

[ls32ssibm]

This is a pet peeve of mine, how shallow many men are when it comes to attraction. If you consider a pie chart of attraction for many guys, looks comprise the majority of the pie chart.

 

 

 

 

You probably aren't aware, since you are clearly levitating above the rest of us, that most women are pretty damn shallow to when it comes to desiring certain traits. In fact, I'm wondering if you know that women are programmed to desire two different types of men; one type to get them pregnant and one type to raise the kid.

 

 

Not only that, they judge us by the size of our wallet and by our social status. So stop complaining and wear some make-up if it bothers you that much.

[ls32ssibm]

Both sexes are shallow in different ways. If you are gonna be shallow about looks (studies show men place a higher priority on looks than women do, women do care but its not weighted as heavily) then I am gonna be too. What most men want is a world where they are allowed to be super shallow on looks because they are wired that way and a world where women arent allowed to be shallow in their biological predisposed ways.

Men are programmed for sexual variety yet they still want a loyal pure wife. This goes both ways.

 

 

 

Hardly true, and is a widely circulated lie among women I've noticed. Usually when men cheat it's because they aren't getting what they need at home. Conversely, a man could satisfy his woman sexually and she'd still cheat on him. They cheat for different reasons.

[iKING]

Men are programmed for sexual variety yet they still want a loyal pure wife.

 

If I am to wish for a loyal and pure wife, I must be loyal and pure to do so.

 

Only fair.

[iKING]

Nope. Not true. Over half of men that have affairs state they are emotionally satisfied with their wife and get sex at least once a week at home. I used to work at Planned Parenthood and read tons of research on this topic. Its a huge myth. There are men that cheat because they get none, but those numbers are overexaggerated. I was surprised when I read about it, because I bought into it as well.

 

Men are wired for sexual variety. Studies show as long as things are spiced up, MOST women can be satisfied with one partner sexually for a long period of time. For men, it does not matter they always crave other women. Men have evolved to spread their seed it is how the human race has survived. Women are wired to be picky about who they have sex with and nest because it increases the chances of humans surviving. Not saying this translates perfectly into our modern society but our biological roots do affect our current behavior. Consider the fact that this whole industrial living thing has existed for less than .0000001% of human existence.

 

Sorry

 

I must be a freak of nature. I would never cheat, and am perfectly satisfied with one partner for a prolonged period of time. The reason I know this? I've been placed in both situations.

[iKING]

My thread was not saying men cheat more. Studies show they cheat the same amount actually with men being slightly more. But men are predisposed for sexual variety more than women and think about sexing up others more. There are so many scientific studies to back me up on this.

 

I wasn't discrediting your evidence at all, I was just observing the fact that I'm not a majority in a statistic.

 

Edit: I actually read cosmo occasionally.

[Archgirl]

If I am to wish for a loyal and pure wife, I must be loyal and pure to do so.

 

Only fair.

 

Loyal: check!

Pure: dammit!

 

But seriously, I really hate this myth that men and women's fidelity is different and biological. Its bollocks. We are all more than gene carriers and the product of cultural conditioning. We have the free will to choose to behave with respect and ethics.

 

And yes, this whole post was just to flirt with Mr King

[ls32ssibm]

Nope. Not true. Over half of men that have affairs state they are emotionally satisfied with their wife and get sex at least once a week at home. I used to work at Planned Parenthood and read tons of research on this topic. Its a huge myth. There are men that cheat because they get none, but those numbers are overexaggerated. I was surprised when I read about it, because I bought into it as well.

 

Men are wired for sexual variety. Studies show as long as things are spiced up, MOST women can be satisfied with one partner sexually for a long period of time. For men, it does not matter they always crave other women. Not saying they act on it but they are more preoccupied with wanting sex from multiple partners.

 

Men have evolved to spread their seed it is how the human race has survived. Women are wired to be picky about who they have sex with and nest because it increases the chances of humans surviving. Not saying this translates perfectly into our modern society but our biological roots do affect our current behavior. Consider the fact that this whole industrial living thing we are in today has existed for less than .0000001% of human existence.

 

 

Having sex only once a week would be defunct and would essentially factor into what I said when it comes to "not getting what they need".

 

 

 

Also, there is NO biology to back the assertion that men NEED to have multiple partners as you suggested. The reason women CONTINUE to have sex after they get pregnant proves this.

 

However, there is for women; they are programmed to get pregnant by a masculine partner and are programmed to have a sensitive, nurturing partner help raise the kid.

[Lani]

Loyal: check!

Pure: dammit!

 

But seriously, I really hate this myth that men and women's fidelity is different and biological. Its bollocks. We are all more than gene carriers and the product of cultural conditioning. We have the free will to choose to behave with respect and ethics.

 

And yes, this whole post was just to flirt with Mr King

 

You're EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!

[iKING]

I aint either. In fact I seem to be a minority because I dont expect men to pay for me all the time. Perhaps we should start a minority club.

 

I read Cosmo so I can interject awkward sex comments to relieve conversation tension

 

I suppose we should. It would be a rather interesting gathering of individuals. The "we're gonna chill in the middle club".

 

Most of what I've gathered from comso pertains to orgasms, no idea why.

 

Like this! your orgasm - guaranteed!

 

 

Loyal: check!

Pure: dammit!

 

But seriously, I really hate this myth that men and women's fidelity is different and biological. Its bollocks. We are all more than gene carriers and the product of cultural conditioning. We have the free will to choose to behave with respect and ethics.

 

And yes, this whole post was just to flirt with Mr King

 

I'm not "pure" by a puritans standards, but I'm more-so "pure" by a hedonists standards. It's all a matter of perception really. I do agree that we make choices, and to behave according to a cultural standard, simply, and only due to it being a cultural standard, not being of one's own moral ethics, is not being true to yourself. Which is why I choose to do things the way I do.

[Woggle]

I would say it's about the same. Besides the obvious physical differences men and women are both human beings and as such are not much different. Also cheating has more to do with integrity and morals rather than any kind of biology. I have never cheated on a woman in my life and it is not for lack of options.

[Revolver]

I think one of the main reasons is women are typically more sensitive to other's feelings. Tell a guy outright that he's ugly and he'll end up on here complaining. Guys are more sensitive then they give themselves credit for. They're actually doing guys a favor by not destroying their ego/self-image (if there's any left). Guys tend to care less about what the words they say makes the receiving party feel, so they're more blunt about things.

 

 

Women are realising that men are more sensitive than they let on. They just hide that they're offended, and get all aggressive about it.

We don't particularly want to deal with that, so we soften the blow. It is in our nature to be nice, and even I, as someone brutally honest, soften things when I'm letting guys down.

 

We're onto your sensitivities, whether you are or not.

 

Your both kinda proving my point and saying what I said in the OP. I already said of course women lie to spare feelings, but at the end of the day they're rejecting men for the same reason men reject women, phsyical appearance. . Which is the basic point of the thread, because women lie the perception of women not being as shallow grows. They're both equal in that regard

[Lani]

Your both kinda proving my point and saying what I said in the OP. I already said of course women lie to spare feelings, but at the end of the day they're rejecting men for the same reason men reject women, phsyical appearance. . Which is the basic point of the thread, because women lie the perception of women not being as shallow grows. They're both equal in that regard

 

Yup!

I was just trying to provide some insight into why we act like that.

We are all shallow in our own right, it human nature.

[iKING]

Your both kinda proving my point and saying what I said in the OP. I already said of course women lie to spare feelings, but at the end of the day they're rejecting men for the same reason men reject women, phsyical appearance. . Which is the basic point of the thread, because women lie the perception of women not being as shallow grows. They're both equal in that regard

 

I think most women have a longer list of standards then men do, although physical attraction may be involved, there are many other factors that come into play.

 

Men's base requirement tends to be appearance, followed closely by "doesn't make me absolutely crazy".

 

Women's base requirements vary with the individual, but looks alone just won't cut a lot of the time (at least for a potential relationship, not a one night fling), although it is an entry level requirement in most cases.

 

It's a woman's job to be picky, she's the one that has to carry the baby, feed it, and nurture it. We men tend to forget that women can repopulate the human race without men, but men can't do the same without women. They've got the upper hand here really.

 

The only reason I included that last part in there was due to waking up just after the sex thread closed and now wanting to talk about sex.

[Lani]

I think most women have a longer list of standards then men do, although physical attraction may be involved, there are many other factors that come into play.

 

Men's base requirement tends to be appearance, followed closely by "doesn't make me absolutely crazy".

 

Women's base requirements vary with the individual, but looks alone just won't cut a lot of the time (at least for a potential relationship, not a one night fling), although it is an entry level requirement in most cases.

 

It's a woman's job to be picky, she's the one that has to carry the baby, feed it, and nurture it. We men tend to forget that women can repopulate the human race without men, but men can't do the same without women. They've got the upper hand here really.

 

The only reason I included that last part in there was due to waking up just after the sex thread closed and now wanting to talk about sex.

 

Am I too late!?

Edited March 12, 2013 by Lani

[pbjbear]

 

Men's base requirement tends to be appearance, followed closely by "doesn't make me absolutely crazy".

 

Women's base requirements vary with the individual, but looks alone just won't cut a lot of the time (at least for a potential relationship, not a one night fling), although it is an entry level requirement in most cases.

 

It's a woman's job to be picky, she's the one that has to carry the baby, feed it, and nurture it.

 

If women didnt evolve to be picky about who they slept with the world would be very different.

Very very true. Men place more emphasis on looks. They do care about personaity when it comes to finding a girlfriend, but they arent too picky about it. She just needs to not have a bad personality. Women do need attraction, its not like we ignore looks, but its not as important. I read a study that found men place looks in the top 3 traits for a potential wife...for women, its in the top 10 for a husband. Kind of silly considering everybody's looks fade

[Els]

I have never thought that men are more shallow, honestly, just shallow about different things in general. I'm defining shallowness as caring about anything other than personality traits, though. I do think that men are more shallow about physical appearance in general, and women more shallow about career, social game, and ambition in general.

[AlexDP]

In my dating experience, women are far less shallow than men, in general. Some women are more shallow than others, of course. But even the most shallow woman I've ever met has been considerably less shallow than the least shallow of men.

 

Usually, if a guy isn't dating a hot girl, it's either because he's lazy or he lacks confidence.

 

I've experienced the exact opposite. Most goodlooking women don't feel the need to better themselves and there are only a handful of women you can interest with geopolitics.

[ltjg45]

Over half of men that have affairs state they are emotionally satisfied with their wife and get sex at least once a week at home.

 

Such a pitiful shame that the male species here in the US would be this desperate for sex to the point where having a normal sex life isn't enough.

[musemaj11]

This is a pet peeve of mine, how shallow many men are when it comes to attraction. If you consider a pie chart of attraction for many guys, looks comprise the majority of the pie chart.

I think the pie chart would look similar when it comes to women's attraction to financial status in men.

 

I have tons of female friends. They ALWAYS talk about their type. "He has to be tall, good-looking, earning 100k, etc."

 

Then they end up with short, ugly, poor guys lol.

 

You have to stop paying so much attention to what people say and watch what they do.

Just because woman wants a tall, handsome wealthy man, doesnt mean she will get one. I read a study that shows that most women are married to a man they feel little attraction for. Horrific.

 

Men have evolved to spread their seed it is how the human race has survived. Women are wired to be picky about who they have sex with and nest because it increases the chances of humans surviving. Not saying this translates perfectly into our modern society but our biological roots do affect our current behavior. Consider the fact that this whole industrial living thing we are in today has existed for less than .0000001% of human existence.

So why are you whining about men not being able to commit then when you yourself realize that its something thats wired in us and we have no control over?

[PJKino]

Try being a short dude and say women arent shallow

 

Onlines even worse if you're under 5'9 good luck

[USMCHokie]

I have never thought that men are more shallow, honestly, just shallow about different things in general. I'm defining shallowness as caring about anything other than personality traits, though. I do think that men are more shallow about physical appearance in general, and women more shallow about career, social game, and ambition in general.

 

Why do we always associate "shallow" with physical attributes...? Wouldn't you be considered "shallow" if you valued only a specific trait while ignoring all others? Can you value only a person's intelligence and be considered shallow...? How about sense of humor? Shallow?