MrCastle Posted March 9, 2013 Posted March 9, 2013 castle, I'm pretty sure if neither you nor any of the matches designated race, race wouldn't be a factor. But I expect most people designate their race, and in match criteria might designate one or more races as criteria. If you specify white they don't (mostly) match with other races, although early on I got some black matches. Don't know if they didn't designate race, but that's what I suspect is how that happened. (Not that it bothered me, just referring to the selection process.) What I just find interesting is, was that the draw? When I was unsigned, they show me a bunch of artsy farsty white hipsters? (I'm a hipster) But then when I actually sign up and claim hispanic as my background, the hipsters are gone for the most part and replaced by mostly ghetto blacks and hispanics? Where I live is pretty split. I live just outside of NYC in Westchester. The north side of my town is all middle class and predominantly white, although you will get a few minorites like me who were raised middle class. The south side is where the hood is, with less whites, and more minorities. So my issue is, they are failing to show me middle class people in my area, and instead are showing me ghetto chicks who are further away just because I'm hispanic? I have no racial preference, but class/upbringing is important to me. I identify with middle class. Not that I think I am superior to those who aren't middel class or anything, but I grew up how I grew up, and would prefer those who can identify with that. I find it offensive my results are people who I have nothing in common with outside of us both being minorities.
outsidethebox Posted March 9, 2013 Posted March 9, 2013 cryfor, that's interesting. I agree, the automatically selected matches (Quiver) definitely improved after the email but there was no one I hadn't seen in doing manual matches from before the email. The number of bizarre profiles that came completely went away though. Of course we're talking a not really big population near me doing this so wasn't hard to see that no new profiles all of a sudden became visible to me after the hot email. Mostly what didn't get presented to me near top of searches. But that's interesting what the CEO said.
MrCastle Posted March 9, 2013 Posted March 9, 2013 What I just find interesting is, was that the draw? When I was unsigned, they show me a bunch of artsy farsty white hipsters? (I'm a hipster) But then when I actually sign up and claim hispanic as my background, the hipsters are gone for the most part and replaced by mostly ghetto blacks and hispanics? Where I live is pretty split. I live just outside of NYC in Westchester. The north side of my town is all middle class and predominantly white, although you will get a few minorites like me who were raised middle class. The south side is where the hood is, with less whites, and more minorities. So my issue is, they are failing to show me middle class people in my area, and instead are showing me ghetto chicks who are further away just because I'm hispanic? I have no racial preference, but class/upbringing is important to me. I identify with middle class. Not that I think I am superior to those who aren't middel class or anything, but I grew up how I grew up, and would prefer those who can identify with that. I find it offensive my results are people who I have nothing in common with outside of us both being minorities. Middle*
Green Light Posted March 9, 2013 Posted March 9, 2013 oh god, all of this makes OLD sound so complicated Pretty much everything on the Internet is a dead end.
Author CryForNoOne Posted March 9, 2013 Author Posted March 9, 2013 cryfor, that's interesting. I agree, the automatically selected matches (Quiver) definitely improved after the email but there was no one I hadn't seen in doing manual matches from before the email. The number of bizarre profiles that came completely went away though. Of course we're talking a not really big population near me doing this so wasn't hard to see that no new profiles all of a sudden became visible to me after the hot email. Mostly what didn't get presented to me near top of searches. But that's interesting what the CEO said. I'm in LA so it's a virtually infinite well of profiles - or so it seems like that right now.
40 Fonzarelli Posted March 9, 2013 Posted March 9, 2013 I had decent success with copy n paste. The return for the effort of crafting a witty message just isnt worth it. For some reason, ive had WAY more responses from OKC than POF. I've never gotten a unique message from a girl. Its always "hey how are u"
Author CryForNoOne Posted March 9, 2013 Author Posted March 9, 2013 oh god, all of this makes OLD sound so complicated Different problems for guys and girls. Guys need to play the numbers game, especially if they are reaching above their tier so to speak. Girls need to be weary of posers and douche bags that are seemingly everywhere. I did more research today and I just found a website where guys are talking about how to get laid on OKC. Some of the stuff was pretty disturbing even though I'm a guy. One dude hired a Virtual Assistant (VA) to search profiles for him, then cut and paste a generic e-mail from one of three topics almost all girls are into: travel, music, outdoors. He sends 600 messages and gets about 100 responses. Of those, he gets 20 dates and gets laid about 5 times. He says he pays his VA about $10/bang - the word of choice on the forum. I'm a guy and it was all a bit much. If I were a woman I'd be totally disgusted...
mortensorchid Posted March 9, 2013 Posted March 9, 2013 I would have to say this about OKC vs. POF now that I have had extensive experiences with both: 1) OKC - You will get a slightly better class of people who are on it but fewer responses. You will MAYBE get to meet a person face to face once in a blue moon, let's say 1 out of every 20. 2) POF - You will get a lot of responses on this website, but the class of people you encounter tends to be on the bad side. I'd say that you get to meet a medium amount of people on this website face to face (say 1 out of every 10), but be warned of those who are looking to scam or looking for sex. Be cautious. Honestly, if you are looking to meet several people to pick and choose from, the best website is still Match. You will communicate with a lot of people, you will talk on the phone with several, and you will meet quite a few. Will they be good? Up in the air, but they will be better than who you will/won't encounter on either OKC/POF in general. 1
Author CryForNoOne Posted March 9, 2013 Author Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) I had decent success with copy n paste. The return for the effort of crafting a witty message just isnt worth it. For some reason, ive had WAY more responses from OKC than POF. I've never gotten a unique message from a girl. Its always "hey how are u" Frankly I'm starting to conclude its much easier for a guy to make random hookups than form a LTR on OKC. I mean I've wasted a lot of time reading profiles and writing witty messages and my response rate is barely higher than one really well written cut and paste job. There is no way I can put that much effort in when I live stumbling distance from some pretty hip bars. But if you hire a VA to send 600 messages, you obviously are not looking for your "match". My buddy who does really well on OKC does the same thing. He's just not sophisticated enough to hire a VA to do it with such ruthless efficiency. Edited March 9, 2013 by CryForNoOne
outsidethebox Posted March 9, 2013 Posted March 9, 2013 Can"t be many. I probably got three or four 4-5 star ratings before I got the hot email, maybe only have had one since then. No unsolicited messages, and maybe a handfull of responses at that time. It's not a huge barrier, but they probably are on to any gaming from handpuppet accounts used mainly to give some high ratings to someone. The ratings are probably weighted on how good the accounts are rated. So it's not huge but getting 4-5 stars from legitimate users requires some effort on the profile imo.
ChessPieceFace Posted March 9, 2013 Posted March 9, 2013 1) Apparently they segregate members into "hot" and "not hot". You basically need to get a fair number of messages or 4+ star ratings before you are "hot" and can view other "hot" members. This seems to be the case as all my "matches" the first couple weeks were unattractive. The only way I could view and thus contact women I was interested in was by messaging them if they viewed my profile. Then I got the "you're hot" e-mail and now I can view and message plenty of women I find attractive. I'm glad I knew this going in otherwise I might have quit after a few days thinking only homely girls date online. Wow. If that is true it would explain my experience with the site. In my case I don't care enough to write anything for my profile (other than 1 pic and basic info) so I've gotten no messages, and the girls I'm seeing are part of the reason I never bothered completing the profile. Catch-22? Guess I need to lose that weight and get to the "hot" side of OKC. 1
Author CryForNoOne Posted March 10, 2013 Author Posted March 10, 2013 So I fired off another dozen emails this morning and got some profile visits but no replies again. Meanwhile, I got asked out by someone who messaged me first. She barely qualifies as someone I'd go out with but between frustration with all the effort and the flattery of her being so forward, I said why not.
Object_a Posted March 10, 2013 Posted March 10, 2013 So one thing I may have done which was a total fail is that I answered everything publicly, even the uncomfortable ones, and never offered an explanation if none of he choices was quite how I wanted to answer... Ladies, do you spend a lot of time reading those answers and explanations? I would just skip a question that was particularly uncomfortable. I skip any question I don't think is framed properly or doesn't give me an answer I would honestly choose. I also answer sex questions privately. As long as you answer enough questions and give them appropriate ratings (mandatory, very important, etc.) it won't adversely affect your match percentages since they still get factored in even if they're private. Just out of curiosity, how many "rated you highly" ratings gets a male a "you are hot" email? I got one three days after I joined and I only had four or five ratings. It's not just stars that define your attractiveness though, it's also how well people respond to you as a Quiver match, and probably some other things we don't know about. I got messaged by a quiver match almost right away so that probably contributed. 1
outsidethebox Posted March 10, 2013 Posted March 10, 2013 So I fired off another dozen emails this morning and got some profile visits but no replies again. Meanwhile, I got asked out by someone who messaged me first. She barely qualifies as someone I'd go out with but between frustration with all the effort and the flattery of her being so forward, I said why not. yeah, that seems typical to me. The unsolicited message is generally from a Quiver match where they muct message or decline. That's the one unsolicited message I got. Pretty picky about who they reply to is about nicest thing I can say for the process.
outsidethebox Posted March 10, 2013 Posted March 10, 2013 hi monica, no process is same as far as I can tell. I don't know what would be different. Men respond and women don't is the difference.
outsidethebox Posted March 10, 2013 Posted March 10, 2013 Message is not spam. It's based on criteria, and if someone is getting a few 4-5 star ratings in a day they are meeting that criteria in a hurry. Like probably in one day based on my experience. Ok, a light just clicked writing that, like possibly relatively hot against others because so many high ratings are handed out by guys? I would have a hard time believing guys are clicking on 4-5 stars for everyone. Yeah we rate higher than girls do and respond when girls don't but I don't think the "hot" factor is that scientific, just a threshold that is automatically obtained with enough favorable activity versus let's say the top x percent in a certain category of favorable activity. Even the way it is generated shows this to be true. It occurs only once after criteria has been reached, with me it was maybe two weeks. So nothing relative about it compared to others, just a hard threshold. Could that threshold be higher for girls because they get so much more activity and high ratings than guys? Possible, although like I said hard for me to imagine non-hot girl profiles getting 4-5 stars that much more than a non-hot guy profile. Of course it's all relative, similar age ranges, interests, etc. to give and get a 4-5 star rating, I was lucky to get some. (4-5 star ratings, nothing else
Author CryForNoOne Posted March 14, 2013 Author Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) So I fired off another dozen emails this morning and got some profile visits but no replies again. Meanwhile, I got asked out by someone who messaged me first. She barely qualifies as someone I'd go out with but between frustration with all the effort and the flattery of her being so forward, I said why not. So I went out on a date with this woman I mentioned above who asked me out. She's an actress, but doesn't look like your typical "starlet straight off the bus". So I thought to myself, maybe she's got a great personality. My hunch was she wasn't trying to make it on looks alone so she might be a really interesting person. Turns out my intuition was spot on and it went really well. Glad I just got out there and didn't pre-screen her. She was actually better looking in person, so much so that I was thinking of telling her she should change her profile pic. She has a body language and style that makes her more attractive than just a still image. Anyway she went to a good school and was on Broadway for several years. We had great chemistry we basically made plans for a dinner date already. Now I've got another date lined up with a cute girl next door type who is a second grade teacher. All the time and effort I put into writing something witty and unique finally paid off. We had great banter back and forth that resulted from my first message and getting her number was a slam dunk. So I have a revised outlook on OLD. It's a lot of work for guys but persistence and a little bit of experience pays off. I feel like I'm starting to find my stride with OLD. It's just important to manage your time/effort wisely online. You can spend a whole lot of UNFOCUSED time and effort and get ZERO results. Or you can use tricks and tactics to focus on getting yourself noticed by the women who would potentially reply. Once you are able to figure that part out, it's a much more rewarding experience. Edited March 14, 2013 by CryForNoOne
TheGuard13 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) Thoughts on my first OkCupid profile? I’m Batman. Seriously, check the profile pics. Ok, so I guess I’m kind of the opposite of Batman…I don’t take anything too seriously, which is probably why I don’t have any decent pictures of me that aren’t in costume, onstage or in film. I rarely smile in photos (funny story there), but don’t let that fool you. I’m an a showman. I love to laugh, smile, joke and play around. I’m a live and let live kind of guy. Kind of an idealistic cynic, something of a kid at heart. I’ll never lose my desire for magic and wonder. I want success, and being financially stable is important to me, but I value uniqueness and unique and rewarding experiences over most material and social successes. I am very passionate about some things and work extremely hard at things that really matter to me. The rest of the time, I’m pretty laid back, but fairly mature about life in general. After family, friends and relationships, knowledge, creativity and art are the most important things in my life. I come from a family of storytellers, and have always loved reading, writing, creativity and art of all kinds. I also like animals as long as they’re not The Teleporting Cat With No Eyes That I Lived In a House With In College, and can find something I like about most people. I’m a moderate film buff, and I’m growing to appreciate television more. I like games (no, not relationship drama, party games, especially Cards Against Humanity). I love cooking. I look darn good in a suit, though I don’t have much fashion sense (when I’m not in costume). I enjoy mythology, fantasy, and sci-fi. I’m a bit of a geek, though I like some manly things, too. I rebuilt an engine once (never again), know the basics of most basic auto repair (never again, if possible), and I like working out and sports, especially baseball. I like playing more than I like watching. I also recently re-discovered video games after a 10 year hiatus. I like to help people in whatever small ways I can. I have a healthy appreciation for nature, and though I don’t do it enough, I like to hike. Do not, under any circumstances, jump out of a fast-moving canoe and hang onto the back of it. Been there, done that, got dragged over a couple of miles of jagged rocks, not a big fan. I have also, in the past, subjected myself to camping, fallen off a 150 foot cliff and dealt with a bear that came in the window, so I think I’ve got my adventure/nature merit badge. I like to think that I’m smart, funny, intelligent, loyal, compassionate and open-minded. It takes a lot to rattle me, and I don’t judge too much. Everyone has some flaws and insecurities and everyone makes mistakes, and you take the good with the bad when you get to know someone, within reason. Life is about learning, sharing, and maintaining a balance for me. I understand human weakness, but I don’t like hypocrisy (he said, hypocritically). Truth is very important to me. Don’t lie (because you don’t need to), be brave enough to be honest and seek the truth in all things, don’t do harm to others on purpose, have a decent attitude about yourself, others and the world around us, and we’ll get along just fine. Either here or otherwise, I’m hoping to find a healthy balance of friendship, shared personal interests and/or good sex. I’m looking for people to broaden my horizons, hang out with, and share new experiences. A little bit of drama is ok…life would be boring without some excitement or adversity. Everyone’s got their issues (not me, of course, I’m practically perfect in every way), and too many people have been taught to hide who they are. I’ve been married and divorced, and I do value being in a relationship, but am also not looking to dive into one right away. I don't pretend to know the future, though. We’ll see how it goes. What I’m doing with my life Nothing profound. Trying to be a well rounded, decent, interesting human being. I’m doing what I like to do and enjoying my life. I act in plays and musicals fairly often and write a bit, stageplays and screenplays mostly. I've had a couple of films made that have gotten into festivals recently, and I’m working on a couple of independent film projects as I near completion on a full length musical (Points if you can guess what the subject matter is). I'm a college graduate with a background in Criminology and am currently employed as a special investigator, traveling around Ohio and a few other states, mostly investigating fraud, but I do some people locating as well. I was in insurance for the last half a decade, which sounds really boring and evil, but surprisingly wasn't. Nothing profound. Trying to be a well rounded, decent, interesting human being. I’m doing what I like to do and enjoying my life. I act in plays and musicals fairly often and write a bit, stageplays and screenplays mostly. I've had a couple of films made that have gotten into festivals recently, and I’m working on a couple of independent film projects as I near completion on a full length musical (Points if you can guess what the subject matter is).I'm a college graduate with a background in Criminology and am currently employed as a special investigator, traveling around Ohio and a few other states, mostly investigating fraud, but I do some people locating as well. I was in insurance for the last half a decade, which sounds really boring and evil, but surprisingly wasn't. I’m really good at (in no particular order) -Making people laugh, feel good about themselves and holding intelligent conversations. I can ramble, but it’s usually an entertaining or interesting ramble. -Reading people, getting people to open up, and discerning the truth. Communication, being supportive and honest. You know, being a good friend. -Creative stuff. Acting, singing, and most types of writing. I used to play a couple of instruments and keep meaning to learn to play guitar. -Remembering things accurately, memorization. Being analytical without overanalyzing or obsessing. And debate. I can fight fairly and accept blame and constructive criticism, which seem to be lost arts these days. -Sex (in no particular order)-Making people laugh, feel good about themselves and holding intelligent conversations. I can ramble, but it’s usually an entertaining or interesting ramble.-Reading people, getting people to open up, and discerning the truth. Communication, being supportive and honest. You know, being a good friend.-Creative stuff. Acting, singing, and most types of writing. I used to play a couple of instruments and keep meaning to learn to play guitar.-Remembering things accurately, memorization. Being analytical without overanalyzing or obsessing. And debate. I can fight fairly and accept blame and constructive criticism, which seem to be lost arts these days.-Sex The first things people usually notice about me How tall I am or my great eyelashes (seriously, this is the kind of thing people notice). After that, my confidence, sense of humor, lack of judgment and open-mindedness. Or whatever I want them to notice about me at a particular time. How tall I am or my great eyelashes (seriously, this is the kind of thing people notice). After that, my confidence, sense of humor, lack of judgment and open-mindedness. Or whatever I want them to notice about me at a particular time. Favorites: As much as I love lists, this kind of thing always seems limiting to me. I have fairly mainstream tastes, but I don’t usually have mainstream opinions on them. I’ll give it a shot: TV: The Simpsons. I tend to speak in Simpsons quotes every so often, and have somehow internalized many of Homer’s mannerisms. It’s a serious problem. After that, Family Guy, FOX’s animated shows, and South Park. In terms of live-action, Mad Men and Community. MOVIES: I like all kinds of movies, great films and guilty pleasures alike. Batman films, X-Men films, Ghostbusters, Bond movies, Watchmen, Lord of The Rings, Se7en, Meet Joe Black and Love Actually hold a special place in my heart, along with a couple thousand other really good films. BOOKS: Most of the classics, in particular Crime and Punishment and Roots. Tolkien. Bond novels. Stephen King’s more complex work. Roald Dahl. Ender’s Game. Heart of a Champion changed my life. A Boy’s Life made me appreciate it more. And a couple thousand other good books. Oh, and comics. Batman, Watchmen, V For Vendetta, From Hell (Basically anything Alan Moore wrote not under protest). All things DC and Marvel. And some comic strips, especially Calvin and Hobbes and Bloom County. MUSIC: I’m a singer, and I like to challenge myself, so I like good music of all kinds. From oldies to musicals to country to rap. FOOD: Mmm...various eggs and unexplained bacon... As much as I love lists, this kind of thing always seems limiting to me. I have fairly mainstream tastes, but I don’t usually have mainstream opinions on them. I’ll give it a shot:TV: The Simpsons. I tend to speak in Simpsons quotes every so often, and have somehow internalized many of Homer’s mannerisms. It’s a serious problem. After that, Family Guy, FOX’s animated shows, and South Park. In terms of live-action, Mad Men and Community.MOVIES: I like all kinds of movies, great films and guilty pleasures alike. Batman films, X-Men films, Ghostbusters, Bond movies, Watchmen, Lord of The Rings, Se7en, Meet Joe Black and Love Actually hold a special place in my heart, along with a couple thousand other really good films.BOOKS: Most of the classics, in particular Crime and Punishment and Roots. Tolkien. Bond novels. Stephen King’s more complex work. Roald Dahl. Ender’s Game. Heart of a Champion changed my life. A Boy’s Life made me appreciate it more. And a couple thousand other good books. Oh, and comics. Batman, Watchmen, V For Vendetta, From Hell (Basically anything Alan Moore wrote not under protest). All things DC and Marvel. And some comic strips, especially Calvin and Hobbes and Bloom County.MUSIC: I’m a singer, and I like to challenge myself, so I like good music of all kinds. From oldies to musicals to country to rap.FOOD: Mmm...various eggs and unexplained bacon... The six things I could never do without Curiousity Other people The ability to think, reason and use logic Literature, theatre and other forms of art Physical intimacy and sex Cute animals, especially beagles CuriousityOther peopleThe ability to think, reason and use logicLiterature, theatre and other forms of artPhysical intimacy and sexCute animals, especially beagles I spend time thinking about: The six things I could never do without, for the most part. I like to know what makes people and the world what they are, and to understand them as intimately and fully as possible. Sex pops in there a good bit of the time. The six things I could never do without, for the most part.I like to know what makes people and the world what they are, and to understand them as intimately and fully as possible.Sex pops in there a good bit of the time. On a typical Friday night I am Usually wasting a perfectly good Friday night. But I'm usually doing something I love, or with people I care about. I love movies, karaoking, going out with friends, having game nights, or I can be found out seeing shows, viewing something artistic, or pounding the boards at a local theatre. The most private thing I’m willing to admit I'm really good at "That's What She Said". It's an art for me. Also, I do a pretty damn good Miss Piggy impression singing "Rainbow Connection". Like, entire room of standing ovatations at karaoke good. I'm willing to admit pretty much anything, there's nothing THAT sacred depending on where I am in a relationship, but putting it here randomly just seems like a waste of good conversation. You should message me if You may message me IF, and ONLY IF, you fit all of the following criteria: Pfft. Message me if you feel like messaging me. It may be efficient, but its kind of silly to put all these restrictions on who can message you. That said, it wouldn’t be a bad thing if: -You are open-minded, smart, funny, or at least have a sense of humor. -You are moderately attractive and in decent shape, or at least comfortable (secure) with who you are, and a little bit sexy, and enjoy sex. -You like theatre, film, or literature, and see it as more than just shows, movies or books you happen to have seen or read, and are able to discuss it intelligently. -You are capable of rational thought and healthy communication. -You’re not afraid to do at least a little bit of work in a relationship, and don’t just quit or stop trying when things aren’t always easy. -You’re open to trying new and exciting things. That’s sort of vague, but read between the lines and interpret it how you wish. No bowling,though, and nothing involving bears. -You have a healthy fantasy life, are something of a dreamer, and maybe a little bit spontaneous. -You like a little bit of adventure now and then. A little mind you, not all-consuming drama and misery. -You like tall and somewhat hairy men. I would prefer to encounter those who are open minded, socially, sexually and otherwise, but I’m not usually close-minded enough to avoid getting to know an interesting person on principle. Edited March 14, 2013 by TheGuard13
Author CryForNoOne Posted March 14, 2013 Author Posted March 14, 2013 Most of it is very well written. Not sure if the batman thing works though. Or listing that you're good at sex. You might restate that in a way that implies it and is not so cocky and overt. Also I might add we have many of the same interests and hobbies. Too bad you're not a girl But it's TOO DAMN LONG! Nobody is going to read all that. A couple of things I learned in a just a few weeks on OKC: 1) Sometimes saying less is more. It's ALWAYS better to not disclose everything and pique their interest by leaving questions that they'll want to ask you about. I started doing that more and more on my profile and it works. When I get the still relatively rare reply to my messages, they often ask a question I intentionally setup. 2) You're trying to attract as many people as possible. At the same time, you don't want to lie and attract someone that you're not compatible with. Still, focus on the positives and don't talk about things that would be deal breakers for some women. Like under movies I originally wrote "I like thought provoking sci-fi like... not crap like Transformers." What if she loves Transformers? It's certainly not a deal breaker but it may be off putting to her so I eliminated that part and just left it with the movies I like. 3) I systematically went through my profile and took out about half the context. Deleted all redundant stuff. Never repeat something that was already obvious from the rest of your profile like "I'm tall" or 'I like to sing!" if there are several pics of me doing that...
miss_jaclynrae Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I have had zero success with OLD period. I have many hangups with OKC and maybe at some point I'll list all the reasons it's a total fail, but one thing I have a problem with is the message frequently situation. It is a repellent of sorts. People may see you answer frequently so you must be needy or desperate etc, or see you don't answer back very often so you must be stuck up or have unrealistic standards. Right there judgement is already being made. Another issue I have is it tells you when someone hasn't gotten messaged in a while. I'll see something like "so and so hasn't received a message in two weeks! message her!", I feel maybe the girl is inactive on the site, or something is wrong with her, etc, whatever it is, it certainly does not push me to message them, and makes the person look sad. That kind of info should be kept confidential. I never even paid attention to that ****. I had a lot of success on that site, with average looking dudes too. Granted, I ignored more than I replied to... Merely because if the message wasn't entertaining enough or you profile didn't convey the type of personality I look for, or if you were HIDEOUS, I saw no point.
miss_jaclynrae Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I also want to add that another reason why you may not be as successful is because you are not exactly looking for a relationship, in which case you join the hundreds of other dudes looking for a FWB. Now, that may not be what you really want, but with the statement about good sex and not wanting a relationship anytime soon after a divorce... that is what I concluded. 1
miss_jaclynrae Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 So the real lesson here is "be dishonest". Not everything needs to be written out. Some things are best to be discussed in person. That whole profile gives enough info to count for a first date... 1
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