Author JuneJulySeptember Posted March 7, 2013 Author Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) I agree. The OP was worded badly. It sounds bad. What I really meant to ask was that... "There are a number of female posters here who get a tremendous amount of male attention yet still complain about men being shallow and just going for looks." I just thought it was an interesting thing. But really, that topic wouldn't have gotten any responses. The reason this thread got 100 responses in a day is because people THOUGHT it was a typical gender war thread. Edited March 7, 2013 by JuneJulySeptember
Lonely Ronin Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 "There are a number of female posters here who get a tremendous amount of male attention yet still complain about men being shallow and just going for looks." . What don't you get about this? This is pretty normal actually(and retarded), the prettier a woman is, the more smucks will chase her for that reason. I want to make sure I'm 100% clear on this, they are "complaining", because they find that a lot of guys that approach them only care about their looks. In other words, the guys that are approaching them, don't care who they are as a person, as long as they are pretty. 1
ltjg45 Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Are we all just talking out our behinds again? Where are the female posters who complain about men being shallow while getting tremendous amounts of attention from them? Sure there are girls here who get frustrated from time to time, but I can't think of any women on this board who do this. That isn't surprising. Every female here has gotten attention from at least 1 male in your life. The majority of you, a lot more than once. Compared to many males here, you are successful in more ways than one. Females would mention issues concerning divorce. Most males would be lucky to even see the "second date" phase. If the roles is switched, we would see a ton of threads started by females. I'll be hard-pressed to find a female that hasn't been approached once and, when I do, it is painfully obvious why. After all, I'm a virgin and I'm avoiding her for that reason alone.
SJC2008 Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 What don't you get about this? This is pretty normal actually(and retarded), the prettier a woman is, the more smucks will chase her for that reason. I want to make sure I'm 100% clear on this, they are "complaining", because they find that a lot of guys that approach them only care about their looks. In other words, the guys that are approaching them, don't care who they are as a person, as long as they are pretty. Lol it looks like you're up for another round! You can apply this to any league, not just attractive women. Men are going to hit on the most "attianable" women for them. Where does initial attraction come from? A telepathic wave that says "She's a great woman"? Why do you keep standing up for them? Yes, I'm sure it sucks to get a lot of unwanted attention but like I said the cost is worth the gain in that they are going to be able to date men that THEY are attracted to. And like I said I don't care how much they say they want to undo it; The minute they realize they cant pull the same types of men they'd take it back in a heartbeat.
Lonely Ronin Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) Lol it looks like you're up for another round! You can apply this to any league, not just attractive women. Men are going to hit on the most "attianable" women for them. Where does initial attraction come from? A telepathic wave that says "She's a great woman"? Why do you keep standing up for them? The op reworded the topic, to be more clear. as I read it, he was specifically talking about good looking women on LS who complain that a lot of the men that are hitting on them are shallow. So ignore the fact they are getting hit on by men they don't want and focus on the point. The point is they are complaining, because they think a lot of the guys hitting on them only care about their looks. She fully expects you to be hitting on her because she is attractive, what she also expects, is after the conversation progresses past hello my name is blank, is for you to care about more than what she looks like. Do you understand now? They aren't looking to be some damn trophy, but to the shallow men, that's all they are. Just another notch in the belt, a photo to show to their friends, and say look at my new girl. Edited March 7, 2013 by Lonely Ronin 1
SJC2008 Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 The op reworded the topic, to be more clear. as I read it, he was specifically talking about good looking women on LS who complain that a lot of the men that are hitting on them are shallow. So ignore the fact they are getting hit on by men they don't want and focus on the point. The point is they are complaining, because they think a lot of the guys hitting on them only care about their looks. She fully expects you to be hitting on her because she is attractive, what she also expects, is after the conversation progresses past hello my name is blank, is for you to care about more than what she looks like. Do you understand now? Once again this is blatantly obvious like your conversation advice. I find it hard to beleive that there are as many men out there like this as you claim. Even I don't make these stupid mistakes with women and I have minimal exp with them.
fortyninethousand322 Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Just an observation. Both men and women here complain about how the opposite sex is shallow and only cares about looks. But the male posters here who complain about it are those who are unsuccessful and faced a lot of rejection in their life. The female posters who complain about it have many male admirers and have described themselves as 'hot' and 'attractive' and in some cases have quite high physical standards themselves. Interesting, huh? Eh, I've had a female poster describe me as "cute" in a PM (she was reviewing my OLD profile for me) and another one (who has never seen my picture) said I was "cute" too , whatever those two anecdotes are worth. I will agree with you though, that I've seen some female posters on here who I found to be quite attractive (based on posting history and pictures they posted in threads) who nonetheless didn't care that I or any other male poster thought they were good looking. One poster I even messaged on a dating site (not because I looked for her, I just happened upon her profile many months after responding to one of her threads) and she never cared to respond. There are some posters who are more infamous than others in their self-hatred/whatever we want to call it who are also disinterested in hearing that someone might find them good looking. My remedy for dealing with this is to just realize that very few people deserve genuine sympathy. Even me with all my struggles. I'm not disabled, I'm not the Elephant Man, I'm not homeless, I'm not addicted to any substance, nor am I a starving child in a third world country. Unless you fit one of those categories I just listed you don't have anything to complain about (though you can do so out of recreational habits, it is fun at times to vent), somebody half decent or better is probably interested in you and you either don't realize it or you don't care. Those are my thoughts on this. I don't care if they offend anyone.
ltjg45 Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Once again this is blatantly obvious like your conversation advice. I find it hard to beleive that there are as many men out there like this as you claim. Even I don't make these stupid mistakes with women and I have minimal exp with them. Unfortunately, a good portion of males is like that. If this is truly the new male, we are doomed, never to return. We will have to embrace our new "purpose": careless, reckless, soulless sex machines.....while being terrible at it as well. How......exciting.
Lonely Ronin Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Once again this is blatantly obvious like your conversation advice. I find it hard to beleive that there are as many men out there like this as you claim. Even I don't make these stupid mistakes with women and I have minimal exp with them. Try living in a university town with 60K+ students on campus, and an active bar scene. The stereotypes about young guys 18-26 exist for a reason.
fortyninethousand322 Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 What's more shallow: judging someone on their outward appearance, or judging them on supposed personality traits? Is it any less disheartening when someone won't date you because they perceive you as stupid, lazy, too straight edge, too wild, immature, old fashioned, etc.? I don't know... 1
ltjg45 Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 What's more shallow: judging someone on their outward appearance, or judging them on supposed personality traits? Is it any less disheartening when someone won't date you because they perceive you as stupid, lazy, too straight edge, too wild, immature, old fashioned, etc.? I don't know... Most likely outward appearance even though they both can be upgraded within reason and they both are equally shallow.
Kamille Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 "There are a number of female posters here who get a tremendous amount of male attention yet still complain about men being shallow and just going for looks." But... The two kind of go together don't they? If these women get a tremendous amount of unwanted attention, it's probably because of their (good) looks. This means, more often then not, they get approached by complete strangers with whom they likely don't have much in common. Unfortunately for the guys, looks do not a spark make. I usually need more of a connection than knowing the guy thinks I'm attractive in order to be into him. I am pretty average, meaning I get some attention but not a tremendous amount of it. And even I have had guys approach me and not give up, even when it was blatantly obvious that we had nothing in common, no connection, no spark. It does leave me with the impression that the guy is only into my (not so glorious) looks. Or that he's more into trying to score (likely to feed his sense of masculinity) than in actually getting to know me. Same with what I reported earlier, about guys wanting to continue dating me, even tough they agreed we didn't have much in common. I don't think they're shallow per se, but it does make me feel like guys are willing to overlook a lack of connection if there's an even remote chance they'll get laid. 1
aed Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Try living in a university town with 60K+ students on campus, and an active bar scene. The stereotypes about young guys 18-26 exist for a reason. and the stereo types about women in the age of 18 till 30? or about girls that have allot sexual partners, do those stereotypes exist of a reason or is that just judgemental behaviour from men?
Lonely Ronin Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 and the stereo types about women in the age of 18 till 30? or about girls that have allot sexual partners, do those stereotypes exist of a reason or is that just judgemental behaviour from men? I see those as well, but from what I see the male stereo types are a lot more rampant than the female ones. Is that because fewer women fit the stereo types, or because those women are better at hiding it, I have no idea.
SJC2008 Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Try living in a university town with 60K+ students on campus, and an active bar scene. The stereotypes about young guys 18-26 exist for a reason. Like I said I undersatand where you're coming from but you're flirting with being a female apologist all due respect. And I honestly don't know why you even brought it up. Yes attractive women have more options and will have more unwanted attention. But there's more fish in the pool and a better chance at a catch! Unwanted attention is a lesser evil than having to ask out 10 women to get a number and prayer she won't flake.
Imajerk17 Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 And BTW, I have a girlfriend tough guy. Well then you ought to be even more ashamed of yourself. You come on here and say that as an average-looking guy you need to take what you can get. So that basically means you settled for your girlfriend. Wow if I were her I'd feel so special reading your threads! (sarcasm font) I guess it's somewhat understandable though because you're so young. I would hope that by the time you are 26 or 27 though you'd know better. Stop whining young man, and buck up. ****************** Meanwhile I have ANOTHER theory as to why your OP might be so. Struggling guys don't get how women work. So they think the reason why they are so unsuccessful is due to their lack of looks. Show me a guy who says it is all about looks and I will show you a guy who doesn't get how women work and that is why he is so unsuccessful.
Woggle Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Men and women are as bad as each other on any campus. The hookup culture is something both sexes have created.
Lonely Ronin Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Like I said I undersatand where you're coming from but you're flirting with being a female apologist all due respect. And I honestly don't know why you even brought it up. Rhetorical question: Does a bunch of little horn balls hitting on women because they see them as a trophy to obtain make your dating life easier or harder? Hint: Harder
ltjg45 Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Rhetorical question: Does a bunch of little horn balls hitting on women because they see them as a trophy to obtain make your dating life easier or harder? Hint: Harder I don't see how it's harder. She eliminates the ones she don't want and the ones she does want, she would give them a shot. At least she didn't have to do any work to get their attention, regardless if it was for good intentions or not. Unlike the males, who has to do basically everything to get even one female's attention.
Lonely Ronin Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 I don't see how it's harder. She eliminates the ones she don't want and the ones she does want, she would give them a shot. At least she didn't have to do any work to get their attention, regardless if it was for good intentions or not. Unlike the males, who has to do basically everything to get even one female's attention. Ever dealt with a door to door salesman, or a telemarketer, people are pretty much socially/situationally trained to say no/not interested. The same concept applies here.
ltjg45 Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Ever dealt with a door to door salesman, or a telemarketer, people are pretty much socially/situationally trained to say no/not interested. The same concept applies here. Yeah, I have. I told them to bug off. If they persists, I use brute force. It's no difference with women. Once I get the idea that she doesn't want to be bothered, I get out of there ASAP.
Lonely Ronin Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Yeah, I have. I told them to bug off. If they persists, I use brute force. That's my point, If a woman is constantly flooded with attention from smucks, she will eventually start to automatically assume any guy that approaches her is a smuck. Hence your job got just got harder, because first you now have to convince her your not a smuck. You still have to connect with her, and do all the stuff you used to do, but you have this new step to do as well.
fortyninethousand322 Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Neither sex has it easier or harder than another. It's all situational. Is it better to be taller or shorter? I don't know, in a bar fight it probably helps to be 6'5" 260 lbs, but if you're trying to escape a bad situation by crawling through an air duct, being short is probably a bigger benefit. On average neither sex has it easier than another. Everybody has their own cross to carry. 2
ltjg45 Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 That's my point, If a woman is constantly flooded with attention from smucks, she will eventually start to automatically assume any guy that approaches her is a smuck. Hence your job got just got harder, because first you now have to convince her your not a smuck. You still have to connect with her, and do all the stuff you used to do, but you have this new step to do as well. This is why women need to accept their new responsibility of approaching themselves. I would LOVE to think I'm different from these sex-crazed animals that happened to be a part of my gender and age group but I doubt I can even release an aura to any female I want properly. So I can't blame women for thinking I'm not like the rest. Perhaps they are right.
aed Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 I see those as well, but from what I see the male stereo types are a lot more rampant than the female ones. Is that because fewer women fit the stereo types, or because those women are better at hiding it, I have no idea. No women are not better at hiding. Most guys can see when a girl is more slutty (not saying that is negative!) (Men find out more if their wife/gf is cheating or has cheated then visa versa (some women say different, okay but research on this topic is showing different results). But some men just dont care or hope things are different or they are desperate and ignore all the red flags and hoped they have found that special girl or that she has changed because she is with him. For example when a guy says: all girls are the same with x, then mostly girls will feel offended and react that: not all women are the same. (see the irony in this?) Both genders are stereotypes and yes people are unique but most girls react and do like most girls, same goes for us guys ofcourse. But complaining that one gender shouldnt be complaining and saying that the part an other gender has clearly the advantage, and claiming that is not an advantage, because of x. is just silly. I see allot of women say that men dont try to understand women, and that they should, but what are women doing to understand the nature of men? Why should a men try to look at a women and see a women how women see women, but why shouldnt women not do the same. Also why should being a girl be enough, but just being a guy not? Why is male sexuality wrong, but female is accepted (not talking about sleeping around here, or cheating etc) Just some thought. Also about the bar scene: some women just think that every guy is trying to hit on them, even when he ask something silly like: where is the bathroom in this place. As a guy I can tell you there are some crazy ass bitches out there. Thank god the majority of girls/women are not like that and the ones that behave like that are not always like that. Same goes for us guys (but I am not dating guys, so i am not interested in that).
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