Kamille Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 Gold Star I knew that statistics class would come in handy one day!
sweetkiwi Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 Thanks for the clarification. Not all women are drowning in male attention. Only the attractive ones. Now what about the math conundrum? Woweee!! By this standard I am hot as ****!!! Actually I am just a female and ONCE AGAIN attractiveness is subjective. 1
veggirl Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 Once again, a thread like this needs photos. Need to see what OP and other dudes think an "average" woman who is drowning in male attention looks like. No doubt they only notice hot women, ignoring the actual average or below average ones. 2
SJC2008 Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 So, let me make sure I get this straight. For you, the more attractive a woman is, the more options she has. I argue that these attractive woman are dating and attracted to other people. Therefore, somewhere, somehow, there's a group of men that have these attractive women as options. So this isn't about gender. Since we're talking about heterosexual relationships here, it follows that these women are pairing off with men. If A) Attractive women have more options it would also follow that B) so do attractive men. Or am I missing something? But this means, in the end, it's just a numbers game for everyone. Not just guys. Options aren't gender specific so you're not missing anything. Unless I'm mistaking when you DON'T have options is when you have to resort to numbers (having to ask out a lot of women to get a "taker") games so I disagree with you in that it's a numbers game for everyone.
SJC2008 Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 As my female friends would say they don't think the "gain" is as great as most guys, and for sure the guys on LS think. Because other than being pretty, they are still normal women. They don't have the assets that stars do to minimize the problem. to avoid some of the unwanted attention, they do stuff like only go out in large or mixed groups, if they go out in small groups they will only go to really expensive bars, or gay bars. That's what they say but knock them down a few points to where they're not attracting the men they're attracted to and GETTING, they'd want to go back to where they were in the blink of an eye, trust me!
SJC2008 Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 Once again, a thread like this needs photos. Need to see what OP and other dudes think an "average" woman who is drowning in male attention looks like. No doubt they only notice hot women, ignoring the actual average or below average ones. I love the way some of the women spin things here. Where have any of the men in this thread said average women are drowning in attention? Quot the poster that said it please! I don't know if you were referring to me but I don't even go for hot women. Here's my first post in this thread: The thing that frustrates me is that a lot of the posters think the struggling guys are holding out for Kate Beckinsale or something when it couldn't be further from the truth, for me anyway. I've used posters here with picutes before as examples to prove my point. Kimberlydoll had a thread about men settling and mentioned that she dates average looking men. Well when she put pics up I was very surprised in that how could an average man settle for her in the looks department when she's an attractive woman. I'm curious to see what her idea of average really is. I don't even aim for women on her level and would be plenty happy to date a woman like her looks wise. I don't think it's too much to want to date someone I'm attracted to and that they're not bigger than me proportionately. I have no problem with thicker/chunky girls and was just hurt by a woman who was actually a tad bigger than me proportionately but I was ATTRACTED to her. The problem is though that when I see these girls I'd date in a New York minute they are with skinny guys and it pisses me off.
Lonely Ronin Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 That's what they say but knock them down a few points to where they're not attracting the men they're attracted to and GETTING, they'd want to go back to where they were in the blink of an eye, trust me! If it wasn't for the fact that she would run me down with her car, I would post a photo of my most attractive friend. She was a model in her early 20's and she knocks herself down so she can be left alone sometimes. I actually didn't recognize her at a bar one time, because she had on jeans, a hoodie about two sizes to big, glasses, and her hair looked like she stuck her finger in a wall socket.
Lonely Ronin Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 I love the way some of the women spin things here. Where have any of the men in this thread said average women are drowning in attention? Quot the poster that said it please! I don't know if you were referring to me but I don't even go for hot women. Here's my first post in this thread: her point has nothing to do with what you said. She is trying to say that she thinks that what a lot of men consider average is actually above average. 1
Kamille Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 I love the way some of the women spin things here. Where have any of the men in this thread said average women are drowning in attention? Quot the poster that said it please! I don't know if you were referring to me but I don't even go for hot women. Here's my first post in this thread: Sure. I got to page three and decided I had enough evidence. There might be more. Admtited average looking women on here have admitted to dating everyone from average guys to as they put it "adonises" your average men dont have that same experience with women You are exactly right and it's time that we realize that we are dealing with two very different sets of realities here. Instead of saying that men and woman have the same problems. It's a buyer's market and women are the "buyers" and men must "sell" themselves. Why do women try to play dumb when they say "Admirers? Where? *looks around*"? Most women, if they have male "friends" have several that want to be with them in some way, shape, or form, even if they don't outwardly express it. Most males who have female friends don't have that because female attraction doesn't look at average males. Most average guys just don't have female admirers on the scope that the average women does. 1
iKING Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 Sure. I got to page three and decided I had enough evidence. There might be more. Kamille, private investigator. I can just see it now. 1
SJC2008 Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 her point has nothing to do with what you said. She is trying to say that she thinks that what a lot of men consider average is actually above average. I agree with this but I'm not one of these men. Like I said I'm curious to see the men that kimberlydoll has dated that she considers average becuase she's certainly not average. And if she's getting settled for by average men and getting left for better looking women somethings not adding up, her idea of average may be skewed too.
SJC2008 Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 Sure. I got to page three and decided I had enough evidence. There might be more. I stand corrected, mabye I should of said I never said that (even though you made it a point to tell me that not all women are drowning in attention).I agree with you on the first and last quote, you're reaching on the second one but like I said I stand corrected.
SJC2008 Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 The vast majority of men Ive dated have been between the ages of 18-23. I just turned 25 and havent dated much in the past year and a half on purpose to focus on finishing grad school and to get a job. I think the ages of the guys Ive dated is the problem Now you're changing your tune with all due respect. You started a thread that saying that you date average men and they date you while holing out for their dream girl. But then you put up pics which show you're anything BUT average and I say your idea of average may be skewed becuase it would be hard for an average man to do better than you looks wise you change your story to it's their age. I'm willing to bet all of your ex's are better looking than me and I'm average/cute, and don't even go for women in your league.
Kamille Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 Attractive men have more options than the average man, just not as much as the attractive women. Of course, you will see attractive men having women come onto them strongly or otherwise but attractive women definitely get more attention from the opposite sex. After all, men are wired to go after women in more overt ways vs. women to attractive men. Sure. Even though none of my friends are passive when it comes to smiling and flirsting with guys they find attractive, I can see why you would see things this way. But the thing the model is missing is how women respond to men. Heterosexual women do like men, so, somewhere down the line this evens out. Men hit on women, women appreciate or don't, they both move on. Unless you can convince me that there are less heterosexual women than men out there in the world - this evens out. Or is this about different expectations, in essence, the casual sex vs relationship expectations?
PJKino Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 Actually I am just a female and ONCE AGAIN attractiveness is subjective. Not really ive never met many women who arent attracted to my good looking friend..in turn ive never met a women attracted to me
SJC2008 Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 They do...I dont think older more mature men do alot of stuff like that. Younger guys are very into looks, esp college guys where most of my experience has been, and I went to a city college that had a skewed woman to man ratio and few men wanted to settle down unless it was with a girl who looked like a model. Ive had guys tell me Im average looking. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Didnt change my story but Ive been told over and over by people on this site that younger men do certain things that Ive described...I dont know if thats 100% true but since Ive had over 5 people tell me Ill start to believe it Any man who tells you you're average is full of crap. Now how much you do it for certain men will vary but you're certainly not average. I think the skewed ratio, and college aged men is what you had trouble with. Trust me when I say an average man would be hard pressed to do better than you looks wise. 1
todreaminblue Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 Just an observation. Both men and women here complain about how the opposite sex is shallow and only cares about looks. But the male posters here who complain about it are those who are unsuccessful and faced a lot of rejection in their life. The female posters who complain about it have many male admirers and have described themselves as 'hot' and 'attractive' and in some cases have quite high physical standards themselves. Interesting, huh? what is interesting? what contrast are you trying to show.....deb 1
Lonely Ronin Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 I agree with this but I'm not one of these men. I'm not saying you are, but just to clarify, because of the nature of the problem, a guy who is wouldn't know he is.
SJC2008 Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 I'm not saying you are, but just to clarify, because of the nature of the problem, a guy who is wouldn't know he is. I know a lot of men are like that. There was a woman customer at work who was fine for lack of a better term and I asked one of my co-workers what he thought of her and he said "she's cute". LOl that guy wouldn't have a chance with her if he paid her. Also there was a thread here a while back where a guy posted a pic of a woman but had her face blanked out. Going off her body most of the men judged her as average while I said she was way above average. TBS are women the same in the way they deem a man average? If average is not ugly but not good looking I'm closer to good looking than ugly so I COULD say I'm above average but with the success I have with women I don't think I am.
Lonely Ronin Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 Attractive men have more options than the average man, just not as much as the attractive women. Of course, you will see attractive men having women come onto them strongly or otherwise but attractive women definitely get more attention from the opposite sex. After all, men are wired to go after women in more overt ways vs. women to attractive men. Your close, but still not right. Take a woman and a man who are both 9's. They both have the same number of people interested in them, but there realities are drastically different. Because men are the pursuers, The women knows pretty well who is interested in her. The guy doesn't, he really only knows about the very bold women, or the the women he peruses who reciprocate his advances. That's the difference, between the sexes with regards to this topic, one knows the other doesn't. 1
hudson701 Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 Attractive men have more options than the average man, just not as much as the attractive women. Of course, you will see attractive men having women come onto them strongly or otherwise but attractive women definitely get more attention from the opposite sex. After all, men are wired to go after women in more overt ways vs. women to attractive men. This. Over and over again.
Lonely Ronin Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 TBS are women the same in the way they deem a man average? If average is not ugly but not good looking I'm closer to good looking than ugly so I COULD say I'm above average but with the success I have with women I don't think I am. The number one thing I see with "average", guys, is that A) they aren't that great with talking to women on a social level, and B) they don't do anything to stick out from the crowd. When they get better in one of these areas their fortunes change.
tbf Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Women are weebles and men are wobbles. Regardless, they all can fall down. "I got it worse than you" is a sad point of contention. Don't people have better things to do, like...go out and try to meet potential partners? 4
hudson701 Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 They do...I dont think older more mature men do alot of stuff like that. Younger guys are very into looks, esp college guys where most of my experience has been, and I went to a city college that had a skewed woman to man ratio and few men wanted to settle down unless it was with a girl who looked like a model. Ive had guys tell me Im average looking. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Didnt change my story but Ive been told over and over by people on this site that younger men do certain things that Ive described...I dont know if thats 100% true but since Ive had over 5 people tell me Ill start to believe it You're above average, and you know it. Please, females who deny they are quite obviously attractive is nothing short of nauseating. It's like all the melodramatic geeks I had to put up with at school, who'd come out of the exam room crying, saying 'I messed that exam up so bad!', then get 94% on results day. 'Oh, how did that happen then?' Lol false modesty BS. 1
Lonely Ronin Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 I still believe that the female comes out ahead in terms of people attracted on looks alone. I believe that a man will go after a woman solely based on looks but if a woman sees an attractive man, she will acknowledge he is hot but she won't really pursue him. She may dip her toes in the water metaphorically speaking but she won't go after him like the guy would to the woman. The guy would probably have to say or do something attractive to really get her going. That's why I believe attractive men have a MUCH greater margin of error when it comes to women. They can screw up more times and be forgiven more times by women than men of lesser attractiveness. If you're an average guy and you say the wrong thing and turn her off - game over, buddy. Yes, but she doesn't give two craps about the numbers that approach, she only cares about the ones she likes. It's no different that the guy. The only difference is she knows who is attracted to her, and he doesn't. The social norm is guys chase women. If the roles where reversed it would be a complete 180.
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