Something for people ages 18-26ish to remember

[ls32ssibm]

Brain changes significantly after age 18, says Dartmouth research

 

You can Google "what age does the brain mature" and pick your source, most will say anywhere between 25-30 ultimately.

 

 

This isn't necessarily anything new, but I see a lot of people posting about relationships who are 19, 20, 21, etc.; I responded to someone who is about to get engaged @ 21 the other day.

 

 

The point is; people change significantly after high school for many years to come. Please consider this when you begin to have relationship problems, if GIGS sets it, and especially if you plan to run off and get married at 22 or 23.

[TaraMaiden]

Man, why u not pay attenshun?!

 

I bin postin this schytt for dem ages, now!!

[ls32ssibm]

Man, why u not pay attenshun?!

 

I bin postin this schytt for dem ages, now!!

 

Just to note, we aren't talking about 16 or 17 year olds...a lot of study says some 25 year olds aren't even fully-mentally mature yet. From what I've seen and the people I know I'm inclined to agree.

[TaraMaiden]

I know, the article I posted, says that....

 

Recent studies show that neural insulation isn't complete until the mid-20s.

[TaraMaiden]

...But you know what? It's good we both posted.

It needs saying.

And I agree.... Some folk don't ever 'grow up'.....

 

This is why I'm always asking people's ages....

also, being British, 'school' here in the UK has a different meaning to 'school' in the USA.

'School' here is more associated with kids up to 15/16....

 

anything else is 'Further Education' Polytechnic, college, or University.

[MrCastle]

Good stuff.

[MrCastle]

Most 25 year olds I know still arent very mature. Im gonna have to agree. Ive read research that states most women mature by age 25 while guys are pushing 30 before they mature brainwise.

 

I don't know. I'm 25 and I admit, I am more mature than most men my age--sometimes men even older, but I understand I can be an outlier.

 

However, women in their 20s, as a whole, in my experience, have been significantly less mature than their male counterparts.

 

They take absolutely no responsibility for their actions, get on the defensive when they should be the ones apologizing for things, are terrible at communicating in a timely fashion, flake at the last second, etc.

 

I wonder if there is actual scientific research that supports this idea that women are more mature than men at that age or if it's just a bunch of garbage like the common belief that women don't enjoy sex as much as men and other things like that thrown around in the mainstream.

[TouchedByViolet]

I don't know. Seems like some people mature and others never do. Sure time is a factor but the individual is the greater indicator.

[MrCastle]

In my circle of friends, the men do all those things. It prob depends on your social circle. Most of my female friends have pretty similar personalities to me though- caring, more intelligent than average and not big into partying and drinking. They all have boyfriends that dont treat them well enough though who are the same age as them. It just depends...and you prob are an outlier

 

Could be, but I doubt it. Could be we see things with a slanted view since we are of opposing genders. All I know, in my 25 years of living so far, I've never on e met a girl from 18-20's, including late 20's and said "man, what a mature woman."

[MrCastle]

Ive had numerous family members and even guys I have somewhat dated tell me I will have dating problems because Im too mature for my age. It does happen. I do best with guys that are pushing 30 dating-wise

 

Who is the girl in your picture?

 

And I do best with women in their 30's, so maybe we're both outliers.

[TaraMaiden]

However, women in their 20s, as a whole, in my experience, have been significantly less mature than their male counterparts.

 

They take absolutely no responsibility for their actions, get on the defensive when they should be the ones apologizing for things, are terrible at communicating in a timely fashion, flake at the last second, etc.

 

I wonder if there is actual scientific research that supports this idea that women are more mature than men at that age or if it's just a bunch of garbage like the common belief that women don't enjoy sex as much as men and other things like that thrown around in the mainstream.

 

I think it's possible we're talking about two different kinds of Maturity here - Biological and Emotional.

 

I think Biological is fairly well researched and substantiated by scientific data.

Emotional Maturity is a different thing altogether.

I think therein lies a massive difference, depending on upbringing, genes, social environment, experiential influence, ethics and morals.

 

I also happen to think (and I don't mean to offend) but people have become more selfish in the last generation.

 

It has become less of a 'love thy neighbour' world and much, much more of a "What's in it for me?" world.

People are far more self-serving, and we're a throw-away society - our junk-yards are full to capacity of things we don't need any more.... once upon a time, we had the TV repair-man.

Now?

Throw it, buy a new one.

Recycling centres are bursting at the seams with perfectly good stuff we don't want any more, but is perfectly serviceable....

And so it is with relationships, I think.

And yes, emancipation has brought out the best for women - but occasionally, the worst IN them.

[TaraMaiden]

Who is the girl in your picture?

 

That's me.

[SJC2008]

I read somewhere that most women are the women they are gonna be by around the age of 24, some even do a complete 180. I haven't read anything about men in regards to a "turn around" age.

[TaraMaiden]

I actually remember thinking on my 30th birthday, that I'd pretty much 'arrived' at where I was at, if you see what I mean.

 

I actually felt, for the first time, 'fully cooked'.

[Crusoe]

I read somewhere that most women are the women they are gonna be by around the age of 24, some even do a complete 180. I haven't read anything about men in regards to a "turn around" age.

 

Last year I was on the golf course with four of the seniors, all retired and in their early 70's. On the 7th tee a frog appeared. It sat between the ladies markers, blinked a few times and stared at us. This caused some excited conversation, a dare, a few friendly insults and a small argument. Eventually, four pound coins were put into my hand and a bet was made. Whoever caught the frog won the money.

 

Two minutes later all were covered in grass stains, one had lost his teeth, and another (who is prone to these things) wet himself.

 

I reckon we reach the age of four and pretty much stay there.

[kaylan]

Most 25 year olds I know still arent very mature. Im gonna have to agree with you. Ive read research that states most women mature brainwise around age 25 while guys are pushing 30 before they mature brainwise. I go into this when I tell people I dont want to marry a guy who is under the age of 27 and they say Im nuts...

Source?

 

No research I have seen says that womens brains mature faster than mens. A womans body sexually matures faster...but her brain? I havent seen this information.

 

It would seem to me that you are pushing the tired old myth that women mature faster than males. My dating experiences show me that this is false. Men and women are equally immature from what I have seen.

 

The reason many women state that women mature faster than men is that they deem the men they date as immature. And its usually because the men they chase generally refuse to settle down with them. Sorry, but wanting to stay single does not make anyone immature. But for some reason, society loves to label people as immature if they choose to avoid relationships and enjoy a singles life.

Edited March 6, 2013 by kaylan

[xxoo]

Source?

 

No research I have seen says that womens brains mature faster than mens. A womans body sexually matures faster...but her brain? I havent seen this information..

 

NPR interview of neurologist Sandra Aamodt:

 

AAMODT: Females' brains develop about on average two years earlier than male brains, so you're more likely to have a late developing male brain than female.

 

If the link doesn't work: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708

Edited March 6, 2013 by xxoo

[kaylan]

NPR interview of neurologist Sandra Aamodt:

 

AAMODT: Females' brains develop about on average two years earlier than male brains, so you're more likely to have a late developing male brain than female.

 

If the link doesn't work: Brain Maturity Extends Well Beyond Teen Years : NPR

Do you have the link to the actual study? Because I cant find it. Plus, as I said, all info Ive seen on the matter contradicts the woman in the interview. Its weird that NPR would have an interview up with no links to the actual studies to back up the claim being made.

[TaraMaiden]

Please forgive me Kaylan, but I can assure you, it's true. This is something we were informed of when I was doing my Counselling course - and the internet was neither as fast or efficient as it is today.

I remember being given written information on this.

I've known this a very long time.

 

In areas of emotional connection, expression and understanding, girls' brains have the advantage....NASSPE: Research > Brain Differences

 

In other areas, admittedly, boys did better - but it was more to do with technical analysis and logic-problem solving.

 

This also navigates into the areas where emotions are at play.

 

It was about the time I was apprised of this, that I discussed it with my mother, and she came out with her famous caveat which I have quoted several times on here.

[TaraMaiden]

And here:

 

Female brains have more than 9.5 times as much white matter, the stuff that connects various parts of the brain, than male brains. That's not all. "The frontal area of the cortex and the temporal area of the cortex are more precisely organized in women, and are bigger in volume," Geary tells WebMD. This difference in form may explain a lasting functional advantage that females seem to have over males: dominant language skills.

 

How Males and Females Use Mental Skills

 

Geary suggests that women use language skills to their advantage. "Females use language more when they compete. They gossip, manipulate information," he says. Geary suggests that this behavior, referred to as relational aggression, may have given females a survival advantage long ago. "If the ability to use language to organize relationships was of benefit during evolutionary history, and used more frequently by women, we would expect language differences to become exaggerated," he tells WebMD. Women also use language to build relationships, theorizes Geary. "Women pause more, allow the other friend to speak more, offer facilitative gestures," he says.

 

Please note: This doesn't make women better.

It makes them different.

[dreamingoftigers]

NPR interview of neurologist Sandra Aamodt:

 

AAMODT: Females' brains develop about on average two years earlier than male brains, so you're more likely to have a late developing male brain than female.

 

If the link doesn't work: Brain Maturity Extends Well Beyond Teen Years : NPR

 

If you average it out, make brains are more likely to "glitch-up" in development as well. Largely due to that pesky y-chromosome causing extra work in development, including the hormonal shifts that cause (many) men to eventually be attracted to women.

 

Learning disabilities, autism etc. Is much more common in males. Violence, aggression etc. As well.

 

All part of the stuff that gives men a shorter average lifespan.

 

This is not in any way meant to be insulting or degrading to anyone.

 

Women are much more likely to have histrionic/chronic pain disorders due to the way that we are wired.

 

So it wouldn't surprise me as a generality that women would mature faster than men on average.

 

Frankly, the way that men neurologically process emotions, (somewhat like a neurological "hallway" as to a woman's neurological "highway") causes men to take longer to navigate those emotions and regulate them. Societal factors that stave off men from even ACKNOWLEDGING appropriate emotional and intimate needs are not helping in the least.

 

But overall, it has been shown that the two genders are much more base similar than they are different. And that the differences are largely due to socialization, testosterone and cortisol. So basically, the roles we are taught, increased sexual focus and the release of stress hormones being much stronger in men, making conflicts LESS endurable, but more intense.

[TaraMaiden]

I have to say, I take DoT's discussions on this matter very seriously.

This is one lady who has done a lot of research and 'homework' on matters of this nature, and her range of knowledge on the subject is authoritative.

[kaylan]

Please forgive me Kaylan, but I can assure you, it's true. This is something we were informed of when I was doing my Counselling course - and the internet was neither as fast or efficient as it is today.

I remember being given written information on this.

I've known this a very long time.

 

In areas of emotional connection, expression and understanding, girls' brains have the advantage....NASSPE: Research > Brain Differences

 

In other areas, admittedly, boys did better - but it was more to do with technical analysis and logic-problem solving.

 

This also navigates into the areas where emotions are at play.

 

It was about the time I was apprised of this, that I discussed it with my mother, and she came out with her famous caveat which I have quoted several times on here.

I understand male and female brain differences, and men and women performing better in different areas.

 

That has nothing to do with my point about maturation rates.

That is not what I mean by immaturity at all. Im choosing to be single and Id dont consider myself immature...I mean immaturity by the way you view life, the way you treat others, the things you prioritize in your life. Its kind of hard to put an exact definition on what I mean on the internet but I do not equate immaturity with not wanting to get married or anything like that

In which case men and women are equally immature during their youth in my experiences.

[kaylan]

This site wont let you upload PDF's that I get off of scientific databases through my school account...stuff on the internet isnt always good research

Upload it to mediafire or a similar site, and then share the link. Rather easy =P

[TaraMaiden]

But.... the articlews clearly state that female brains mature in certain areas more quickly than that of males.....!

 

As I said - draw the distinction, please, between biological maturity and emotional maturity.

Occasionally they overlap, but emotional maturity - the kind we speak of on this forum - is implied in a different way.