Steve Harvey

[pureinheart]

I could watch him minister forever (no lie).

 

This is just a clip...the whole "interview" takes you from tears, to laughter, to reality. He has to be the most down to earth person, coupled wih being funny and real.

 

STEVE HARVEY'S TEARFUL TESTIMONY! - YouTube

[TheFinalWord]

I could watch him minister forever (no lie).

 

This is just a clip...the whole "interview" takes you from tears, to laughter, to reality. He has to be the most down to earth person, coupled wih being funny and real.

 

STEVE HARVEY'S TEARFUL TESTIMONY! - YouTube

 

I love that guy!

 

I love hearing testimonies, but a few are my favs. I can relate a lot to this one...not the molesting, but the anger and hatred and God stepping in.

 

He Sold His Soul to the Devil: Then God Stepped In - CBN.com - YouTube

[M30USA]

I can appreciate and respect this guy from the standpoint of his character, etc, and his message as being motivating. But in my opinion I don't really get too much from his preaching. I tend to be a nuts n' bolts type of person who thinks pastors should stick to the Gospel, the Gospel, the Gospel. As Paul said, "I proclaim to know nothing among you other than Christ crucified."

[TheFinalWord]

Just for you M30

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGfmdecgG5A

 

Probably my fav oldschool pastor.

Edited February 26, 2013 by TheFinalWord

[pureinheart]

I'm not a fan. Saw him in Nashville last year with Kirk Franklin with a friend..the show was good though. Just not a Harvey fan. I enjoyed his tearful testimony and it seemed really genuine.

 

He is so real...now I've never seen him except on the TBN. I bet his show was good though. It would be sooo cool to see him live:D

 

LOL, I just love him.

[pureinheart]

I can appreciate and respect this guy from the standpoint of his character, etc, and his message as being motivating. But in my opinion I don't really get too much from his preaching. I tend to be a nuts n' bolts type of person who thinks pastors should stick to the Gospel, the Gospel, the Gospel. As Paul said, "I proclaim to know nothing among you other than Christ crucified."

 

Awwww M30, that is so cool ...I think there is someone for everyone. You know, sometimes I need nuts and bolts, others I need someone that I can get completely real with to understand that I may not be the horrible person that I think I am at times.

 

Having always felt that I need to be this that and the other...always confused concerning who I am and what I'm supposed to be think and feel, there is a part of Steve Harvey that can make my life seem not so strange and unusual.

 

M30, I've had a different sort of a life and was priddy hard core back in the day, but a refined hard core. I'm what you would consider in some ways your total nonconformist. I ran with bikers, yet dressed preppy...supposing that is where the confusion came in. Ran with them, but wasn't into most of their ways, just liked them ...but if they got fresh with me I back handed them..lol, and trust me thinking I was one of the only ones that could get away with such an act.

 

LOL M30, the ones of us that are still alive are ALL saved and conservative! There is the ability to be "stuffy" and boring, extremely serious...to tearing up a dance floor, being the life of the party- go figure.

[pureinheart]

I love that guy!

 

I love hearing testimonies, but a few are my favs. I can relate a lot to this one...not the molesting, but the anger and hatred and God stepping in.

 

He Sold His Soul to the Devil: Then God Stepped In - CBN.com - YouTube

 

Wow, that dude is AWESOME Brother! ....it's so hard to picture you angry though, but I get it.

 

I would bet that a good portion of people have been molested. Most not to the degree that he was, but TFW it's about control- loosing it through various means, then getting it back...but the "getting it back" is usually via the abuse of others, self or both...

 

Jeff Fenholt ...lead singer of Black Sabbath ...man did I hate Black Sabbath growing up, could never understand what anyone saw in that group. Went to a Boston concert (or maybe it was REO Speedwagon) and they headlined Black Sabbath and everyone complained...never got that at all....anyway Jeff Fenholt totally turned his life around also.

 

 

Warning...it's long, but worth it...you'll trip

 

Black Sabbath was too much for me...you know even being hard core, I didn't do mean and disgusting.

 

Thinking M30 might enjoy this link...M30 I was a radical rocknroller, now they're playing on the oldies station..hummm how they get old and I didn't:p

[pureinheart]

I can appreciate and respect this guy from the standpoint of his character, etc, and his message as being motivating. But in my opinion I don't really get too much from his preaching. I tend to be a nuts n' bolts type of person who thinks pastors should stick to the Gospel, the Gospel, the Gospel. As Paul said, "I proclaim to know nothing among you other than Christ crucified."

 

Oh, forgot in the last post...he's not a preacher. Thinking he is mainly a comedian and has a radio show in LA.

[TheFinalWord]

Wow, that dude is AWESOME Brother! ....it's so hard to picture you angry though, but I get it.

 

I would bet that a good portion of people have been molested. Most not to the degree that he was, but TFW it's about control- loosing it through various means, then getting it back...but the "getting it back" is usually via the abuse of others, self or both...

 

Jeff Fenholt ...lead singer of Black Sabbath ...man did I hate Black Sabbath growing up, could never understand what anyone saw in that group. Went to a Boston concert (or maybe it was REO Speedwagon) and they headlined Black Sabbath and everyone complained...never got that at all....anyway Jeff Fenholt totally turned his life around also.

 

 

Warning...it's long, but worth it...you'll trip

 

Black Sabbath was too much for me...you know even being hard core, I didn't do mean and disgusting.

 

Thinking M30 might enjoy this link...M30 I was a radical rocknroller, now they're playing on the oldies station..hummm how they get old and I didn't:p

 

haha I've seen Black Sabbath/Ozzy like 5 times...in old days. They're light :lmao:

 

That's true about losing and getting back.

 

Thanks for saying that about my character. I am a lot different now, all things are made new. The old passes away

[pureinheart]

It was a very good show. He interacted with the audience which I always appreciate (especially for he price of the tickets) but Kirk Franklin...OMG!. That was the most inspirational couple of hours. He was in the crowd running around, jumping on rails so he could be seen (he is so small he could wear baby GAP:laugh:). But neither has anything on Joyce. I love her weekends. Last year was the first time I hadn't seen her in about 4 years.

 

You know, I haven't done anything like this in years...and it's all so available, just hate dealing with traffic and freeways! I am soooo glad that you partake in such wisdoms live no less...isn't there something about the "gathering" of believers, man the anointing is soooo heavy!

 

Joyce Myers, wow. I used to watch her back in the late 90's and man hardly could stand it due to the conviction. But it's easier now:) it seems more easier to receive and just say, ok Lord, I get it.

[pureinheart]

haha I've seen Black Sabbath/Ozzy like 5 times...in old days. They're light :lmao:

 

That's true about losing and getting back.

 

Thanks for saying that about my character. I am a lot different now, all things are made new. The old passes away

 

You know, and wanted to say this last night concerning Jeff Fenholt. Some got saved/delivered in the same day. Also meant no offense, and maybe shouldn't have been so judgemental/bold concerning Black Sabbath.

 

Many things were so confusing in my childhood/teen years due to a few abuses which distorted my thinking greatly.

 

After getting saved, continued to party heavily (for me...my system was sensitive) ...I was using drugs and would get into deep discussions and break out my Bible. A few got saved even...this tells me that God can use ANYONE.

 

As a teen, my drug of choice (which is really hard to tell because was into everything except needles/heroin...feared I'd like it too much:rolleyes:) was PCP and used massive amounts of it and LSD. PCP gave the ability to completely detach. This increased at 17 when the only male I trusted decided to withdraw from society and go up into the mountains. He got hard up to get high and ate some Jimson seed pods...he tripped out and jumped off a 100ft cliff and died. I was devastated. Then shortly after my fiancee was murdered because of me (jealous exgf who was married to his cousin). It was a very sick situation. Most of my friends were dying left and right. There is a lot more, but this is the jist.

 

Anyway, the glory goes to God because I should not have a brain...literally. Many of the people I knew went into some really dark areas due to most of their brains being fried...I saw a lot and heard of a lot.

 

My comprehension lacks, but always has due to dyslexia and thyriod issues that have been there prior to any drug use.

 

I am a walking miracle, ALL of the glory goes to God, and fear speaking anymore would be boasting in myself.

 

You know TFW, there is still a part of me that loves to get crazy, it's a bit more tame, but LOVE music and just have to freak out when the nostalgia hits:D was into softer rocknroll and pop (oh man the people I hung with hated pop) ...I like all of that romantic stuff that is mainly contained in pop (or the older stuff).

 

You have excellent character and maybe someday I will achieve that...you have been a major inspiration BTW:D

[pureinheart]

That is one of the most amazing experiences. People from all over the place. Differing backgrounds and denominations....all worshipping and sharing. I get tingles remembering.

 

It's like a high when being in the presense of soooo many believers!!!!! It's like the power of God is sooooo strong...this is what IMO is meant by the Bible stating not to forsake the fellowship/the gatherings. He knew we would need it. That is how stuff gets broken off of us.

 

You know Bent, do feel the difference in not "getting out there", and do SO appreciate the fellowship with you guys (and mean all, saved or not):love:

 

There is one thing, that will be taken care of here in a week or so, that I've feared for a longgggg time (getting my hernia fixed) and it is a simple fix, but created so much fear. Thinking my life was over kind of gave up, mostly due to emotional issues, my past...believing there was no hope. Go figure, from a person that has preached all over these boards, the message of grace... couldn't believe it for myself, nor walk in my own words. God can turn those mirrors in non chastisement ways too!

 

Hey, that is an interesting concept isn't it.

[TheFinalWord]

You know, and wanted to say this last night concerning Jeff Fenholt. Some got saved/delivered in the same day. Also meant no offense, and maybe shouldn't have been so judgemental/bold concerning Black Sabbath.

 

Oh, it's cool! I don't listen to that anymore haha Women in general don't like metal, so it doesn't offend me lol I do listen to some Christian metal when working out (gives energy), Mortification is one of my favs Bass player/singer had lymphosarcoma and an angel came to him and said he would live and glorify God. Steve Rowe had a lot to do with helping me when I first got saved. His music and Mylon LeFever really ministered to me

 

Mortification - Martyrs [Official Video] - YouTube

 

Good Christian rock:

 

 

 

Mylon had a similar testimony. Had a chance for huge record deal (talking he was friends with Elvis) and turned it down for God. Spent many years creating Christian rock.

 

Wow, that is crazy about your friend! Thanks for sharing PIH! Yeah, I did quite a bit of LSD too. I can relate. I knew quite a few people that freaked out having a bad trip. Now I don't touch anything, even alcohol. I don't judge those that do, I just have no need for any substances for joy. God is good.

 

You ARE a walking miracle!!!

Edited February 26, 2013 by TheFinalWord

[M30USA]

Just for you M30

 

Adrian Rogers: A Life Made Over - YouTube

 

Probably my fav oldschool pastor.

 

I watched the whole thing. He is good. It's funny...it doesn't take me a long time to realize if a pastor is legit or a fraud. I don't have many skills in life but I believe God has given me the gift of discernment of spirits. Thanks for the link.

 

One thing he brought up which I hadn't considered:

 

In Jeremiah it says that God is the potter and at first he made a vessel which didn't turn out right, but then he made a second which was pleasing to Him. I always interepreted this first vessel in the same way that Paul said that God makes some vessels for "dishonorable use" (see Romans 9:21). But the pastor in your link offered another interpretation that there were impurities in the clay (symbolozing our own sin) which caused the vessel to come out bad. What's your take on this? Do you think some vessels come out bad because, as in Romans 9:21, God makes them specifically for dishonorable use, or do you think some vessels turn out bad becauase of our sin?

[pie2]

Do you think some vessels come out bad because, as in Romans 9:21, God makes them specifically for dishonorable use, or do you think some vessels turn out bad becauase of our sin?

 

Haven't we all turned out bad because of sin?

[M30USA]

Haven't we all turned out bad because of sin?

 

The verse in Romans 9 is one of the hardest to digest in all the Bible. It asks the question "what if" God chose to make some people as vessels prepared for destruction while other people as those reserved in advance to be recipients of his mercy? It doesn't outright say this is the case, but it says if it were, God would still be justified. Also, pie2, it's in reference to our ultimate destinations. Yes everybody sins, but that's not the exact point.

[pureinheart]

I do believe fear is the norm for anyone regardless of our belief system. I firmly believe that the flesh is something we have to kill daily (in my case may hourly depending on the situation) and our faith is our life perserver. I remember wanting to die for years. Planning to die for a few more. I had a major surgery a few years ago and I was so at peace. Not because I knew God was in control but because I knew that I "would" die. I didn't want to live. I cried like a baby when I woke up in recovery. I unlike you was not afraid of the surgery but afraid of living.

 

Even when we don't believe that we walk in grace...it is there. We just need to access it more often. I believe it will be a lesson that I will relearn the rest of my life. Your surgery will be successful in the name of Jesus.

 

Man, no kidding:( Bent, I got so tired of killing my flesh as there was too much. Would hit only moments of victory, but that was very short lived. I can't tell you how sorry I am that you had such a horrible time, but do understand. Having heard from others when younger the deep depressions one can slip into, it wasn't real. There always seemed to be something to pull me from the pit. Then a few years ago it hit, wasn't even sure if I was saved, sure didn't feel saved. Still don't really, but it's not about me it's about Him.

 

Really hoping not wanting to live is a thing of the past? Thinking it is? So many times wanted God to take me home, and funny, when you said you know that you "would" die...I felt like that too on many occasions and was shocked when it didn't happen. This feeling or thought hs just been in the last couple of years. What is that?

 

You're a doll Bent, thank you for speaking life over me. When reading it, felt the power, like a "knowing" GBU love:love:

[TheFinalWord]

I watched the whole thing. He is good. It's funny...it doesn't take me a long time to realize if a pastor is legit or a fraud. I don't have many skills in life but I believe God has given me the gift of discernment of spirits. Thanks for the link.

 

One thing he brought up which I hadn't considered:

 

In Jeremiah it says that God is the potter and at first he made a vessel which didn't turn out right, but then he made a second which was pleasing to Him. I always interepreted this first vessel in the same way that Paul said that God makes some vessels for "dishonorable use" (see Romans 9:21). But the pastor in your link offered another interpretation that there were impurities in the clay (symbolozing our own sin) which caused the vessel to come out bad. What's your take on this? Do you think some vessels come out bad because, as in Romans 9:21, God makes them specifically for dishonorable use, or do you think some vessels turn out bad becauase of our sin?

 

Hi M30, I'm glad you enjoyed Dr. Rogers. He was a great pastor. Died a few years back. I'm looking forward to reading his bio soon.

 

Yes, some of those questions are hard to answer without a lot of study. For example the paradox of coming to Christ; see Matt. 11:28 and John 6:44. In regards to your questions, great point. I think it is helpful to study Jeremiah 18 vs. 7 - 12, in which God says he will base his decisions on a nation's decision to repent or continue, despite warning. I also think Romans 9 coincides with Romans 11, and helps to reconcile those two passages. It is also interesting to compare the passages in Romans with the parable of the workers in the vineyard in Matt. 20. The doxology in Romans 11 sums it all up for me

 

Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! “Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?”“Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?” For from him and through him and for him are all things.To him be the glory forever! Amen.

 

Also the doxology at the end of Jude.

 

To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

[pie2]

^ So well put, TFW!!

 

The verse in Romans 9 is one of the hardest to digest in all the Bible. It asks the question "what if" God chose to make some people as vessels prepared for destruction while other people as those reserved in advance to be recipients of his mercy? It doesn't outright say this is the case, but it says if it were, God would still be justified. Also, pie2, it's in reference to our ultimate destinations. Yes everybody sins, but that's not the exact point.

 

From the same clay, maybe we are both vessels, at different times in life. Maybe we must be broken, to then be made perfect? Or are "perfect", only to eventually broken (in spirit)?

[pureinheart]

Oh, it's cool! I don't listen to that anymore haha Women in general don't like metal, so it doesn't offend me lol I do listen to some Christian metal when working out (gives energy), Mortification is one of my favs Bass player/singer had lymphosarcoma and an angel came to him and said he would live and glorify God. Steve Rowe had a lot to do with helping me when I first got saved. His music and Mylon LeFever really ministered to me

 

Mortification - Martyrs [Official Video] - YouTube

 

Good Christian rock:

 

 

 

Mylon had a similar testimony. Had a chance for huge record deal (talking he was friends with Elvis) and turned it down for God. Spent many years creating Christian rock.

 

Wow, that is crazy about your friend! Thanks for sharing PIH! Yeah, I did quite a bit of LSD too. I can relate. I knew quite a few people that freaked out having a bad trip. Now I don't touch anything, even alcohol. I don't judge those that do, I just have no need for any substances for joy. God is good.

 

You ARE a walking miracle!!!

 

Thank you so much for the links Bro:D

LOL, was watching a Bee Gee documentary and got nostalgic so that's where the romantic thing came in. I am moved by many types music and that includes Metal:D Christian metal is better though.

 

I tell ya TFW, that's a hard testamony, the past drug use. You know the PCP and LSD is the hardest to talk about because those are some nasty drugs- yuk. Alcohol doesn't metabolise very good in my system, and the rest doesn't work well. Caffiene is my drug of choice.

 

Nah, I don't judge that either...lol, who am I. Like you would rather be a witness to the miracles of what God can do:D

[pureinheart]

The verse in Romans 9 is one of the hardest to digest in all the Bible. It asks the question "what if" God chose to make some people as vessels prepared for destruction while other people as those reserved in advance to be recipients of his mercy? It doesn't outright say this is the case, but it says if it were, God would still be justified. Also, pie2, it's in reference to our ultimate destinations. Yes everybody sins, but that's not the exact point.

 

M30 I didn't read the exchange that lead to this statement so could be way off the track here...but thanks to ya'll and your patience with me all over LS... well, the leeway is much appreciated:)

 

I would take your entire statemnt and especially the bold. I'm brought to, His ways are not ours and our ways not His, and lean not on your own understanding....no matter what He's righteous in everything...did I catch your correct drift?

[pureinheart]

^ So well put, TFW!!

 

 

 

From the same clay, maybe we are both vessels, at different times in life. Maybe we must be broken, to then be made perfect? Or are "perfect", only to eventually broken (in spirit)?

 

This I know well:laugh:

[pureinheart]

Hi M30, I'm glad you enjoyed Dr. Rogers. He was a great pastor. Died a few years back. I'm looking forward to reading his bio soon.

 

Yes, some of those questions are hard to answer without a lot of study. For example the paradox of coming to Christ; see Matt. 11:28 and John 6:44. In regards to your questions, great point. I think it is helpful to study Jeremiah 18 vs. 7 - 12, in which God says he will base his decisions on a nation's decision to repent or continue, despite warning. I also think Romans 9 coincides with Romans 11, and helps to reconcile those two passages. It is also interesting to compare the passages in Romans with the parable of the workers in the vineyard in Matt. 20. The doxology in Romans 11 sums it all up for me

 

Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! “Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?”“Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?” For from him and through him and for him are all things.To him be the glory forever! Amen.

 

Also the doxology at the end of Jude.

 

To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

 

Oh wow, didn't know this...still watch him every Sunday:(

[TheFinalWord]

Oh wow, didn't know this...still watch him every Sunday:(

 

Fortunately, he has enough sermons for another 30 years lol what a legacy to leave

 

I'm actually jealous. He's with Christ now. PIH, sometimes I think about my grandparents, elders, great men and women of faith like Adrian Rogers that have passed on and imagine what they must be experiencing at that exact moment in the presence of Christ. It's one of the things I do to stay kingdom-minded. It is so easy in daily life to get bogged down and focus on this life. But it is just a speck (entire book of Ecclesiastes lol). When I think about Christ and those that have successfully run their course, I think of what Paul said and I get back on track to run that race

 

Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

 

When you consider Paul, who was beaten, stoned, whipped, slandered, imprisoned, and eventually beheaded, if he can say that...wow, humbling. One of my favorite prayers...Psalm 74

 

Yet I am always with you;

you hold me by my right hand.

You guide me with your counsel,

and afterward you will take me into glory.

Whom have I in heaven but you?

And earth has nothing I desire besides you.

My flesh and my heart may fail,

but God is the strength of my heart

and my portion forever.

 

Just meditated on that when feeling pressed, that God is with us in this life, our shield, our high tower in this life...He gives us his Word (his wisdom and instruction book for life), which is very swift (Ps. 147) and never returns void (Isa. 55:11) and sharper than any two-edged sword (Heb. 4:12)...and if that wasn't enough, after counseling us through this life, He then receives us into glory with Him for all eternity. God is good

Edited February 28, 2013 by TheFinalWord

[pureinheart]

M30 I didn't read the exchange that lead to this statement so could be way off the track here...but thanks to ya'll and your patience with me all over LS... well, the leeway is much appreciated:)

 

I would take your entire statemnt and especially the bold. I'm brought to, His ways are not ours and our ways not His, and lean not on your own understanding....no matter what He's righteous in everything...did I catch your correct drift?

 

Wow, this makes sense...let me give the translation:D

 

With your entire statement, and especially the bold, I'm brought to....

 

Wow.