iKING Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 No... but the condoms paired with MY birth control... we are pretty dang solid. The mirena is over 99% effective. Here: Birth Control Chart Doesn't pull up on my phone for some reason, but sounds legit. I had a friend who got his girl preg while using both birth control and condoms, he was fairly confused. They had the kid and it actually worked out great, really nice couple. If I remember correctly the condom broke as he came or something.
Casablanca Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 If my partner is on BC and agrees that she would have an abortion if pregnant then no condom, but if she says she'd keep it, then I'd wear one until we were in a position in our lives to where we would want a kid 1
iris219 Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Yeah, pretty sure it's this. The pull out method is not a method. I've used the pull out method for 10 years in my last two LTR. I lived with one guy for four years, the other I was with for about six years. Studies have found that pre cum has either no sperm or no viable sperm, and it's about as effective as using a condom. I have friends who've gotten pregnant while on the pill.
irc333 Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 I have a Mirena as birth control and we have both been tested and we STILL use condoms. Ever considered occasionally not using a condom since you're on the pill? Kind of shame not to experience sex without a condom the whole course of the relationship. But then again, there's the vasectomy method, I hear that's the best way to go.
Submisfit Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 I've used the pull out method for 10 years in my last two LTR. I lived with one guy for four years, the other I was with for about six years. Studies have found that pre cum has either no sperm or no viable sperm, and it's about as effective as using a condom. I have friends who've gotten pregnant while on the pill. Different studies have shown different things about the sperm content of pre ejaculate. Common college student wisdom (talk about an oxymoron) seems to be that if you pee before having sex, it'll clear any sperm from previous ejaculation out, and you won't have any sperm in your precum, but this hasn't been confirmed. Given the wide variation in testing, and in the amount produced (some of us make a LOT, while some make none at all,) it's a ****ty gamble. Pulling out is better than not pulling out, but it isn't a reliable method on its own.
Submisfit Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 No, he claimed he didn't have a problem Thank god not my problem anymore. Makes me think of this comic Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal
Pyro Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Different studies have shown different things about the sperm content of pre ejaculate. Common college student wisdom (talk about an oxymoron) seems to be that if you pee before having sex, it'll clear any sperm from previous ejaculation out, and you won't have any sperm in your precum, but this hasn't been confirmed. Given the wide variation in testing, and in the amount produced (some of us make a LOT, while some make none at all,) it's a ****ty gamble. Pulling out is better than not pulling out, but it isn't a reliable method on its own. I have never heard of that 'common college student wisdom'. That sounds utterly ridiculous. This thread itself has shown that no sex at all is the only way to 100% prevent pregnancy. Even if condoms and BC are being used then still be prepared for the possibility.
Emilia Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 I had sex when the condom split so I take responsibility for birthcontrol myself
Treasa Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 If my partner is on BC and agrees that she would have an abortion if pregnant then no condom, but if she says she'd keep it, then I'd wear one until we were in a position in our lives to where we would want a kid A woman can say one thing and then change her mind once pregnant. Considering it's a woman's body, it's her right to not sleep with a guy without adequate protection. Considering a man's financial obligation if a baby comes out of it, I would think he'd want to be careful as well. I don't want to have kids right now, so I'm going total protection all the way.
Eclypse Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Pull outs worked fine for me for almost 3 years. I did a lot of research in credible peer reviwed journals and the vast consensus is that there are no spermatozoa in pre cum. You just have to make sure you peed before sex. Old wives tales were often formed before proper scientific analysis was done. So I made the choice to go condomless with my girlfriend and accept the risk. And let me tell you, it feels great.
Submisfit Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 I have never heard of that 'common college student wisdom'. That sounds utterly ridiculous. This thread itself has shown that no sex at all is the only way to 100% prevent pregnancy. Even if condoms and BC are being used then still be prepared for the possibility. I've heard it from at LEAST half a dozen different people. I always think they must have gotten confused by the whole "peeing after sex reduces UTI risk" for a girl, and entirely misappropriated it for boy parts.
miss_jaclynrae Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) I've used the pull out method for 10 years in my last two LTR. I lived with one guy for four years, the other I was with for about six years. Studies have found that pre cum has either no sperm or no viable sperm, and it's about as effective as using a condom. I have friends who've gotten pregnant while on the pill.Did anyone look at my chart? It is less effective than a condom. Friends who got pregnant on the pill probably were not regularly taking it. Thus why I didn't go on the pill. Miss one pill and you can have a baby! It is very effective birth control though if taken as required. Ever considered occasionally not using a condom since you're on the pill? Kind of shame not to experience sex without a condom the whole course of the relationship. But then again, there's the vasectomy method, I hear that's the best way to go. We have our nights when we don't use one. They are rare and awesome but we don't want kids so we are pretty safe. I never used them with my exhusband... But we were also married. also... The mirena iud is not a pill. It is a little plastic t shaped device that keeps eggs from making it to the uterus. I got it when I was 19 and it lasts for up to 10 years. Talk about effective! A woman can say one thing and then change her mind once pregnant. Considering it's a woman's body, it's her right to not sleep with a guy without adequate protection. Considering a man's financial obligation if a baby comes out of it, I would think he'd want to be careful as well. I don't want to have kids right now, so I'm going total protection all the way. Yep! One thing men don't seem to understand is how emotiOnal that route can b for a woman and how it is so much easier to say "yeah I would get an abortion" that it is to have a baby Growing and actually do it. It is her choice ultimately, and therefore... Edited February 22, 2013 by miss_jaclynrae
Pyro Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Pull outs worked fine for me for almost 3 years. I did a lot of research in credible peer reviwed journals and the vast consensus is that there are no spermatozoa in pre cum. You just have to make sure you peed before sex. Old wives tales were often formed before proper scientific analysis was done. So I made the choice to go condomless with my girlfriend and accept the risk. And let me tell you, it feels great. There is one girl on here who became pregnant from pre-cum, so it still is a possibility of pregnancy. Obviously if it has been three years then pulling out is more effective then not pulling out.
Eclypse Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 There is one girl on here who became pregnant from pre-cum, so it still is a possibility of pregnancy. Obviously if it has been three years then pulling out is more effective then not pulling out. Of course there's no accounting for human error. You might start "spurting" before pulling out. Many guys over exaggerate their staying power.
taiko Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 There is one girl on here who became pregnant from pre-cum, so it still is a possibility of pregnancy. Obviously if it has been three years then pulling out is more effective then not pulling out. I guess the controversy becomes how "pre" is pre. Every instinct built into males forces them to push in when birth control or money shots for porn requires him to pull out. 1
Emissary Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Pulling out isn't going to be 100% effective in preventing pregnancies. Pre-cum can be just as potent. That's a trivial concern, there have been no studies that conclusively prove pre-ejaculate contains sperm. At best, it's considered a genetic anomaly that some men could possibly leak sperm into their precum. Pre-ejaculate is emitted from the bulbouretheral gland and does not come into contact with the vas deferens, making it unlikely that sperm could find it's way in the fluid. Furthermore, the volume of pre-ejaculate dispersed would typically be considered insufficient to even be capable of transporting sperm to the uterus, many men only even produce enough fluid to line their own urethra and not even the vagina itself. Finally, the purpose of pre-ejaculate is to neutralize acidity in the penis and vagina, being on the frontlines before the path is cleared is likely to kill many if not all of the sperm cells that are unlikely present. I would advise against spouting nonsense in the future. I'm not going to say it's impossible to get pregnant from pre-ejaculate alone. But I will say you're more likely to become pregnant due to a condom breaking than you are with pre-ejaculate. 1
Pyro Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 That's a trivial concern, there have been no studies that conclusively prove pre-ejaculate contains sperm. At best, it's considered a genetic anomaly that some men could possibly leak sperm into their precum. Pre-ejaculate is emitted from the bulbouretheral gland and does not come into contact with the vas deferens, making it unlikely that sperm could find it's way in the fluid. Furthermore, the volume of pre-ejaculate dispersed would typically be considered insufficient to even be capable of transporting sperm to the uterus, many men only even produce enough fluid to line their own urethra and not even the vagina itself. Finally, the purpose of pre-ejaculate is to neutralize acidity in the penis and vagina, being on the frontlines before the path is cleared is likely to kill many if not all of the sperm cells that are unlikely present. I would advise against spouting nonsense in the future. I'm not going to say it's impossible to get pregnant from pre-ejaculate alone. But I will say you're more likely to become pregnant due to a condom breaking than you are with pre-ejaculate. I'm going by the word of a female on here who said that she became pregnant as a result of pre-cum. Regardless of which way is more potent (increases the risk) they are all still a risk.
iris219 Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Pulling out is better than not pulling out, but it isn't a reliable method on its own. It's been 100% effective for me. I trust the pull out method entirely. I have a very regular cycle; I know exactly when I'm ovulating so my BF and I have decided to not even use the pull out method each time. I'd be fine if I got pregnant though.
Emissary Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 I'm going by the word of a female on here who said that she became pregnant as a result of pre-cum. Regardless of which way is more potent (increases the risk) they are all still a risk. Ah I see, I was just going by word of what I was taught in school by an actual doctor. I wouldn't go by what people have said on the internet, this is on their word alone and is unverifiable, it's more likely their partner accidentally ejaculated without even knowing it. You usually know when it's coming, but there are times when the orgasm isn't very intense and could be mistaken for the sort of pre-orgasm sensation that is the cue to pull out. The method itself carries possible risk, but I'm merely saying the belief that pre-ejaculate is a serious concern for unwanted pregnancies is essentially unfounded. I'm not yet qualified to give advice on such matters, sexual health isn't even my specification, but most people who make such claims haven't even opened up a medical text.
FitChick Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Yeah I was referring to doing it moreso to prevent having kids. I was with a girl for 4 years and we used to pull out method every time, and thankfully nothing happened. New girl seems to big on the condom thing and it feels... weird (not the condom, but just the insistence on using it... and yes, we're both clean and faithful and whatnot). There are so many birth control options these days beside condom and Pill. Don't women see gynecologists any more? Side effects from pregnancy and childbirth are far worse than from birth control. If you use the pull out method, set aside money for an abortion and make sure the woman would actually get an abortion and not trap you into marriage or child support for 18 years. I'm amazed at how stupid people are these days just for a moment's pleasure. A moment of pleasure, a lifetime of pain. You'd think it was the 1950s. 2
Casablanca Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 A woman can say one thing and then change her mind once pregnant. Considering it's a woman's body, it's her right to not sleep with a guy without adequate protection. Considering a man's financial obligation if a baby comes out of it, I would think he'd want to be careful as well. I don't want to have kids right now, so I'm going total protection all the way. True, but she was very adamant about not wanting a kid yet
miss_jaclynrae Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 True, but she was very adamant about not wanting a kid yet I definitely do not want a kid yet... But I know emotionally it would be a very difficult choice to make, one that I may NOT make even though all my life I have said I would get one if I was to wind up pregnant.
MrCastle Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Four pages of (some ignorant) people seemingly downplaying the dangers of unprotected sex, using the odds of pregnancy as their only base and not once talking about std's. Good luck protecting against stds going in raw. 3
iris219 Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Four pages of (some ignorant) people seemingly downplaying the dangers of unprotected sex, using the odds of pregnancy as their only base and not once talking about std's. Good luck protecting against stds going in raw. Some of us don't have casual sex. Some of us don't have sex before knowing the other person is clean. Before my current BF, I didn't have sex for 2 years. Who was less likely to get an STD in that case? Me or you? 1
MrCastle Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Some of us don't have casual sex. Some of us don't have sex before knowing the other person is clean. Before my current BF, I didn't have sex for 2 years. Who was less likely to get an STD in that case? Me or you? Ahh yeah, because it's not like people have ever cheated and brought something home to their partner or anything...
Recommended Posts