PogoStick Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 And unfortunately, some fuel for the whiny guys here! Most of us instinctively know her admissions but it's still interesting to hear. Check it out.
FitChick Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 She is very intelligent and articulate and will likely have a career long after her modelling days are behind her, probably working on The Today Show or The View or similar show. She is smart enough to use modelling as a stepping stone rather than an end in itself. When models have nothing else planned, they usually self-destruct. 2
ChessPieceFace Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 And unfortunately, some fuel for the whiny guys here! Wow, that short sentence alone is "fuel for the whiny guys here" - You think it's "unfortunate" for men's concerns to be validated - You think men are "whiny" to have concerns even when they are shown to be legitimate 1
ThaWholigan Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 Wow, that short sentence alone is "fuel for the whiny guys here" - You think it's "unfortunate" for men's concerns to be validated - You think men are "whiny" to have concerns even when they are shown to be legitimate There are concerns being raised, and then there is whining. I don't think the video was fuel for any whining, it was matter of fact, and presented without malice. Pogostick's comment was pre-emptive. I thought it was a very interesting video personally. Personally, I believing in overcoming the odds, rather than bemoaning them, or at least becoming powerful enough to change things. I do not understand why more people in our respective societies (in the West) don't do that instead of allowing themselves to get steamrolled. 4
fortyninethousand322 Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 Meh, she's not even attractive. At least that's my opinion. Then again, "models" are rarely attractive. The talk was fine though.
Anela Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 Wow, that short sentence alone is "fuel for the whiny guys here" - You think it's "unfortunate" for men's concerns to be validated - You think men are "whiny" to have concerns even when they are shown to be legitimate Isn't it only a problem if they're whining about women who aren't in their own "league"? The whining guys here shouldn't have a problem at all, if they really do want nice women in their own league. 1
GirlontheLam Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 I love that she addresses the "white standard of beauty" and how she has benefited from it. Love it! Anyway great video, she addresses a lot of great points. I love the dose of reality on the beauty industry. 1
SJC2008 Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 OK it's a link to a page with multiple videos so which one am I looking for??
Anela Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 OK it's a link to a page with multiple videos so which one am I looking for?? Victoria¿s Secret model Cameron Russell condemns fashion industry¿s obsession with beautiful, skinny white women¿ just like her | Mail Online
iris219 Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 Meh, she's not even attractive. At least that's my opinion. Then again, "models" are rarely attractive. The talk was fine though. She may not be your type, but it's hard to deny that she's incredibly beautiful. I found her articulate, but I'm not sure what her point was exactly. That those who "won the genetic lottery" have it easier in life? That there are narrow standards of beauty in the media? I feel like we all knew this already. 4
Ross MwcFan Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 All I got was a video about some rapist on a religious dating site.
somedude81 Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 Luck has always been a huge part of how one does in life. It's something that needs to be accepted, but not dwelled upon. What is frustrating is when people try to deny any affect that luck has on us. 1
Ross MwcFan Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 Meh, she's not even attractive. At least that's my opinion. Then again, "models" are rarely attractive. The talk was fine though. She sounds full of herself too, 'I've won the genetic lottery'.
Ross MwcFan Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 She may not be your type, but it's hard to deny that she's incredibly beautiful. I found her articulate, but I'm not sure what her point was exactly. That those who "won the genetic lottery" have it easier in life? That there are narrow standards of beauty in the media? I feel like we all knew this already. I find it easy to deny that she is even attractive from the pics that I've seen.
soccerrprp Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 Good talk. It will be ignored for the most part by the thousands of young teens who aspire to become famous, rich, etc. because it's one of the easiest jobs to be all of the before-mentioned....just need to look pretty, slim, traits endowed by a creator and not fashioned, in all reality, by hard work or deserved. Good talk...I admire her that...
Anela Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 She may not be your type, but it's hard to deny that she's incredibly beautiful. I found her articulate, but I'm not sure what her point was exactly. That those who "won the genetic lottery" have it easier in life? That there are narrow standards of beauty in the media? I feel like we all knew this already. I was confused, too, but she seems to be kind, and down-to-earth. In an interview, she stated that she felt uncomfortable that her talk had something like three or four times the views of Colin Powell's talk. She was worried that she'd only proven what she'd spoken of, because offers are now pourinf in for a TV show, books, etc. She seemed to be embarrassed that she'd been given a dress for free, because of either who she was, or what she looked like (or both). She was also pointing out that the job itself isn't always glamorous - talking about having to make the same move, pretending to be looking at friends behind you, so many times before it's "just right." 1
SJC2008 Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 She's beautiful as are most models but I don't understand why the modeling industry only choosed rail thin women? No wonder most women hate their bodies but most men like some meat ont bones and not the sterotypical rail thin model figure. Anyway, I can understand where she's coming from, she's been exploited and wants people to like her for what's on the inside. That's good old western culture for ya, nobody likes themselves. The pretty chicks want to be known for something other their tits and ass excuse my language and the unattractive women want to be attractive. BTW OP, besides being rude in dedicating a post toward struggling men, what fuel to the fire are you talking about?? Seriously lol.
tbf Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 She's providing a more objective view of modeling, rather than the glamourized version that society believes it to be. Good for her. It can't be easy to stand up before a crowd of people who are knowledge seekers and state that models are insecure aka she's insecure. She's also stunning, more so now than when she was younger. 1
GirlontheLam Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 She sounds full of herself too, 'I've won the genetic lottery'. She did though...for her chosen profession. And the mainstream media. At least she is aware of her position based on her looks/ethnicity. Unlike many other people who think their experience represents the norm.
Radu Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 I wonder how much she rehearsed to look so 'insecure' on stage. It could be real, it could also be quite an act to create a springboard to something beyond modelling. 1
Emilia Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 I think she plays down her natural intelligence and confidence - which shows through her photos and this clip. Even when she transforms into less showy clothes she remains very beatiful and exceptional and clearly she could get those photos taken because even at a young age she knew how to handle herself. I don't think her success is just down to luck or western society beauty standards but to the fact that she is a smart girl.
Taramere Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) She may not be your type, but it's hard to deny that she's incredibly beautiful. I found her articulate, but I'm not sure what her point was exactly. That those who "won the genetic lottery" have it easier in life? That there are narrow standards of beauty in the media? I feel like we all knew this already. I agree. It seemed as though she wasn't so much up there making a point as demonstrating a personal conflict. "Women should be celebrated for intelligence and achievement rather than how they look" versus "beautiful women are often more liable to be given a platform from which they can demonstrate intelligence and talent, and achieve..." As she acknowledges, she wouldn't have been on that stage talking if she weren't a successful model. Not that she isn't smart, articulate and funny. She is, but modelling is what propelled her to a point where she can now potentially be rewarded for those things. She's very right that modelling is not a career path people should choose - in much the same way that "winning the lottery" isn't a career path people should choose. That probably bears some repetition to counter the effects of shows like the Next Top Model series which try to forge this impression that it's something more than just a lottery (so that viewers become more invested in the contestants and the notion that the eventual winner will have demonstrated all sorts of exceptional character traits). Another issue she was raising was the complaint that the fashion industry focuses on thin, white women as the model for beauty. As far as thinness goes - I think fashion designers will always want thin models because they make the best clothes hangers to show off clothes on a catwalk. In terms of the ethnicity element, she's falling on that usual complaint of the Western fashion industry using primarily white models and therefore promoting white as the gold standard of beauty. Images are powerful, but the images used in fashion and advertising tend to just reflect how wealth is distributed in that particular society. In China, a fashion show will look something like this. There always seems to be something a bit misguided about complaints that catwalks should demonstrate more diversity amongst the models. I think people who work in the fashion industry often start to regard themselves as catalysts for social change, rather than acknowledging that they're a catalyst for what clothes will look like in High Street shops in a few months time - but beyond that they're just a barometer of social norms and changes. In a country where there's a lot of ethnic diversity among wealthy women who are willing to spend a lot of money on clothes, fashion designers will go with an ethnically diverse range of models. In a more homogenous society they're going to stick with models of the same ethnicity of the prospective buyers. Edited February 21, 2013 by Taramere 2
Taramere Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I wonder how much she rehearsed to look so 'insecure' on stage. It could be real, it could also be quite an act to create a springboard to something beyond modelling. This too. There's truth to what she's saying, but ultimately she played one game and now she's playing another. 1. Win the genetic lottery and become a model. 2. Feel no guilt about winning the genetic lottery (guilt about innate gifts or talents being a huge hindrance to successfully exploiting them) and become a successful model. 3. Discover a sense of guilt and conflict about winning the genetic lottery, once the winnings are close to being spent, and become an advocate on promoting healthy self esteem (that isn't wholly reliant on looks) in young girls.
Radu Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 This too. There's truth to what she's saying, but ultimately she played one game and now she's playing another. 1. Win the genetic lottery and become a model. 2. Feel no guilt about winning the genetic lottery (guilt about innate gifts or talents being a huge hindrance to successfully exploiting them) and become a successful model. 3. Discover a sense of guilt and conflict about winning the genetic lottery, once the winnings are close to being spent, and become an advocate on promoting healthy self esteem (that isn't wholly reliant on looks) in young girls. What Traci Lords did is what gave me the ideea, there's something to swimming against the current sometimes.
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