You must ignore at all costs!

[Fatdrifter]

I originally never thought I'd find myself ranting about the world around me, but I find habits die hard, I guess.

 

Is it too much to be human? Is it too much to go outside and try to be sociable, or able to relate? Is it too much for some common, decent, honest HUMANITY to be revealed through the facade of feigned interest that is presented before me when I actually break through my shell to talk to you?

 

Is it too much to cut the **** when you give me your ****ing number, which I happen to text, looking for nothing further than to break the ice, and maybe connect? Is it too much to say "go away" or "I'm not interested"? Or is it even too much when you say "I'm not interested" to even manage to make it as a friend?

 

But this has gone on long enough.

 

Because of the niceties that you try to reveal, be it online or in person, I find it all comes down to one very trivial, direct, and composed question: DO YOU THINK THAT I AM STUPID?

 

I always believed the prescribed phrases my elders gave me when they'd say "Jim, you grew up not always understanding things when you wanted to, but eventually you did; maybe this will be the same?" or "I'm sure you'll meet the right one some day".

 

But today, I KNOW, not feel, but KNOW in the pit of my stomach, that I'm not in reality; not in the reality that actually makes sense. Because I wouldn't live in a society of thousands upon thousands of liars that when faced with questions or greetings choose inaction (ignoring) instead of actually taking action. Even in person when greeting someone and asking for their phone number, it's as if you think you're saving face by giving a PHONE NUMBER TO YOUR REAL PHONE and then just completely ignoring. Like it's going to be "nicer". And I'm not talking about approaching relentlessly with sad puppy face bull****, because frankly that's just pitiful.

 

But it always makes me laugh when it's nothing more than lies and ignorance projected in the dating scene as "reactions" (quotes used because they aren't, actually) to nice guys that ask nice questions, and then get on their little online dating profile and put up headlines like "I'M LOOKING FOR A NICE GUY! RLY!"

 

One of the last straws was when I met this girl who happened to work door to door next to two places I frequent; a gamestop, and a supermarket. And even tho we don't see eachother at the same community college we go to, I find it funny. Funny that I can go "hey, maybe we can chat sometime, here's my #" and walk off hearing her agree, and then find her in under two minutes with an extremely vague facebook search, and see that she's ****ing some guy. Because it really makes me want to drive back, and say "I hope you know that I'm not a ****ing idiot; you could've said "**** off" or at the very least 'I'm not interested' in order to just get me to go away, rather than playing this game of 'i can't be labeled as a ***** since I'm being nice' ".

 

And we wonder why society has the problems it does.........

[kaylan]

Wow dude. The girl was being polite by accepting your number and not outright shutting you down. If she was interested, shed have given you hers. And why are you facebook stalking her anyways. And why does it bother you that shes already seeing someone? Chill broski.

 

Some chicks just try to be polite, and others simply fade out and dont know how to let guys down easy.

 

Like today for example, this cute girl who works in the mall was super friendly while I was in her store. She thought I was so friendly that she encouraged me to apply there. Later I went back to ask her if she was seeing anyone. She said she was and I simply said "dang...and here I was about to ask you for coffee".

 

She politely said that she was flattered...and said "I do like making new friends though." Now this girl was being polite, but she was also putting it out there that shed still wanna get to know me. I declined and told her I usually back off girls who are seeing someone. And she said she understands and recognized that I do so to be respectful of a persons relationship with someone else.

 

I could have easily said "heres my number...call me if your situation changes". But I didnt. Basically, unless a girl puts some sort of foot forward to show she wants you to stay in contact with you....simply take their behavior as being polite, and bow out gracefully.

[Fatdrifter]

1. Wow dude. The girl was being polite by accepting your number and not outright shutting you down. If she was interested, shed have given you hers. And why are you facebook stalking her anyways. And why does it bother you that shes already seeing someone? Chill broski.

 

2. Some chicks just try to be polite, and others simply fade out and dont know how to let guys down easy.

 

Like today for example, this cute girl who works in the mall was super friendly while I was in her store. She thought I was so friendly that she encouraged me to apply there. Later I went back to ask her if she was seeing anyone. She said she was and I simply said "dang...and here I was about to ask you for coffee".

 

She politely said that she was flattered...and said "I do like making new friends though." Now this girl was being polite, but she was also putting it out there that shed still wanna get to know me. I declined and told her I usually back off girls who are seeing someone. And she said she understands and recognized that I do so to be respectful of a persons relationship with someone else.

 

I could have easily said "heres my number...call me if your situation changes". But I didnt. Basically, unless a girl puts some sort of foot forward to show she wants you to stay in contact with you....simply take their behavior as being polite, and bow out gracefully.

 

1. Or maybe she has a superiority complex and is lazy, so she doesn't care about anything other than to "Look nice" to guys. Why are you opposed to using depositories of voluntarily submitted information for your own reference? Basically what she's doing is publicly making me look like a jack*** if I reveal myself in public by her trying to act friendly. She knows she doesn't give a ****, why not just say it? You think disappearing is a good reaction? Oh wait, who am I kidding, you probably love that ****.

 

2. Or maybe since they're used to having some guy protect them from having to actually learning social skills that demonstrate respect. This is all about respect. I demonstrated mine.

 

And btw, if you're going to try and argue that guys don't "protect", you can bet your sack that if I went in and actually confronted her like that I'd get some "This guy's scaring me, ________, please make it stop". Then I'd get the stupid rambunctious guy doing some "hey dude, wtf, don't ****ing do that, that's my *****, what the **** are you doing?" speech.

 

It could all be easily resolved if instead of guys actually being friendly and getting zero reaction that they were told directly they aren't welcome. Instead it comes off as you have no value. But if you do the same thing to a girl, they get all offended by the fact you're ignoring them.

[StanMusial]

One of the last straws was when I met this girl who happened to work door to door next to two places I frequent; a gamestop, and a supermarket. And even tho we don't see eachother at the same community college we go to, I find it funny. Funny that I can go "hey, maybe we can chat sometime, here's my #" and walk off hearing her agree, and then find her in under two minutes with an extremely vague facebook search, and see that she's ****ing some guy. Because it really makes me want to drive back, and say "I hope you know that I'm not a ****ing idiot; you could've said "**** off" or at the very least 'I'm not interested' in order to just get me to go away, rather than playing this game of 'i can't be labeled as a ***** since I'm being nice' ".

 

And we wonder why society has the problems it does.........

 

Just another reason to dislike Facebook.

[Fatdrifter]

Just another reason to dislike Facebook.

 

kinda doesn't make a difference on anyone's opinion of it when most people are on it to begin with.

[blue_jay_bird]

This is why some girls just stay really nice and fade out.

 

The last guy i blatantly told "Im not interested" went ballistic, as you just did. We could be nice or straight forward, but you have to learn how to take rejection.

[Fatdrifter]

This is why some girls just stay really nice and fade out.

 

The last guy i blatantly told "Im not interested" went ballistic, as you just did. We could be nice or straight forward, but you have to learn how to take rejection.

 

I'm all for taking rejection, so long as someone GIVES IT TO ME. That's the reason for this thread.

 

I've been feeling this way for about five years....do you know what that feels like?

[Fatdrifter]

This is why some girls just stay really nice and fade out.

 

The last guy i blatantly told "Im not interested" went ballistic, as you just did. We could be nice or straight forward, but you have to learn how to take rejection.

 

btw.....rejection? I don't think this thread needs a PUA term....rejection on this scale (the numbers speak for themselves) I would dub "shunning".

[Green Light]

I understand where the OP is coming from. I think that the whole society has become passive-aggressive now. I hate it! It's not uncommon to even have professionals say that they will get back to you and then they never do. All in hopes that you will just go away.

These are VERY weird times that we are living in. But if you are an "insider" you will never see it. It will all look normal to you.

I think that things really changed with how people socialize and do business about 6 years ago.

[Fatdrifter]

I understand where the OP is coming from. I think that the whole society has become passive-aggressive now. I hate it! It's not uncommon to even have professionals say that they will get back to you and then they never do. All in hopes that you will just go away.

These are VERY weird times that we are living in. But if you are an "insider" you will never see it. It will all look normal to you.

I think that things really changed with how people socialize and do business about 6 years ago.

meanwhile to the outsider people will look like robots just going through protocols...........For once there's somebody that understands.

 

I appreciate it.

[Green Light]

meanwhile to the outsider people will look like robots just going through protocols...........For once there's somebody that understands.

 

I appreciate it.

 

 

It's only gonna get worse! The thing to remember these days is that there isn't a "yes" or "no" but rather "ignore"(which means "no" but keeps things vague) and "not ignore"(which means yes, but still in a vague way). Everything must be kept vague to protect people's fragile egos, help them to not have to deal with "yuckiness" (which everybody feels that they are above dealing with now), and to keep as many options open as possible.

OR, people have just become wimpy and this is how they deal with things.

[Fatdrifter]

It's only gonna get worse! The thing to remember these days is that there isn't a "yes" or "no" but rather "ignore"(which means "no" but keeps things vague) and "not ignore"(which means yes, but still in a vague way). Everything must be kept vague to protect people's fragile egos, help them to not have to deal with "yuckiness" (which everybody feels that they are above dealing with now), and to keep as many options open as possible.

OR, people have just become wimpy and this is how they deal with things.

 

lol I met one girl online and because we both had work we stopped talking for a few hours. I get back and we hear the "work was fine" blah blah stuff; I say something to the way of "hey, it got pretty quiet around here for a while, I missed having such good conversation". I hear this stupid "uh that's a little creepy, you don't even actually know me" comment in reply.

 

Yea, it's the internet, but for serious, is it that bad that you can't tell someone you "missed" their conversation because you rarely have it?

 

The whole socializing thing is just getting ridiculous to me; everything is closed doors, everything is extreme caution of everyone else.

[Green Light]

lol I met one girl online and because we both had work we stopped talking for a few hours. I get back and we hear the "work was fine" blah blah stuff; I say something to the way of "hey, it got pretty quiet around here for a while, I missed having such good conversation". I hear this stupid "uh that's a little creepy, you don't even actually know me" comment in reply.

 

Yea, it's the internet, but for serious, is it that bad that you can't tell someone you "missed" their conversation because you rarely have it?

 

The whole socializing thing is just getting ridiculous to me; everything is closed doors, everything is extreme caution of everyone else.

 

 

But this is what makes it so strange because there is that extreme caution there yet the same people will go the other direction and post all kinds of private things about themselves on Facebook. It's hard to understand and it's all very narcissistic but what they really want is attention from WHO they want attention from WHEN they want it and everyone else can go to h*ll.

[Fatdrifter]

But this is what makes it so strange because there is that extreme caution there yet the same people will go the other direction and post all kinds of private things about themselves on Facebook. It's hard to understand and it's all very narcissistic but what they really want is attention from WHO they want attention from WHEN they want it and everyone else can go to h*ll.

 

and then they go out and guys who like them ask them to chat and they give guys their phone numbers to avoid looking selfish.

[ChatroomHero]

I'm all for taking rejection, so long as someone GIVES IT TO ME. That's the reason for this thread.

 

I've been feeling this way for about five years....do you know what that feels like?

 

Well she wouldn't know how you are, she doesn't know you from a serial killer. From your post one could assume you are a bat-sh*t crazy stalker. Maybe you look like you seem on here.

 

Are you honest with women when you get a number, do you tell them you are going to facebook stalk her and totally flip out if you find something on her facebook that might indicate at one time in her life she had a boyfriend?

 

How can you call for honesty when you are not honest with the women you are going to facebook stalk and lose your sh*t over it?

Edited February 17, 2013 by ChatroomHero

[sid3]

Well she wouldn't know how you are, she doesn't know you from a serial killer. From your post one could assume you are a bat-sh*t crazy stalker. Maybe you look like you seem on here.

 

Are you honest with women when get a number, do you tell them you are going to facebook stalk her and totally flip out if you find something on her facebook that might indicate at one time in her life she had a boyfriend?

 

How can you call for honesty when you are not honest with the women you are going to facebook stalk and lose your sh*t over it?

 

Hmm, guess I can read, and comprehend as well.... I completely agree with this assessment.

 

Stop being the creepy guy. Yeah you don't like the advice, but its intended to help.

[Fatdrifter]

Well she wouldn't know how you are, she doesn't know you from a serial killer. From your post one could assume you are a bat-sh*t crazy stalker. Maybe you look like you seem on here.

 

Are you honest with women when get a number, do you tell them you are going to facebook stalk her and totally flip out if you find something on her facebook that might indicate at one time in her life she had a boyfriend?

 

How can you call for honesty when you are not honest with the women you are going to facebook stalk and lose your sh*t over it?

 

I'm just a guy trying to keep his cool in a frustrating world.

 

I have told a few "I'll add you on facebook", if that's what you're implying.

 

I don't really take too much notice to girls nosing around with guys, but when it's a profile picture it's hard to differentiate the relations going on. But really the matter is not whether or not they're in relationships, the matter is why not just say it?

 

So how am I supposed to be honest? Go online and be even more creepy and go on their fb and message them "HAHAHAHHAHA FOUND YOU HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH"? What have I told them that was dishonest, actually? At least I'm the person I say I am. If I had a girlfriend and I were going to a grocery store and flirting with front-end clerks, that would be dishonest.

 

Looking up someone who is on facebook to looking to see who they are, what they do, and what they care about is not lying or being dishonest.

 

The honesty is really I can understand somebody doesn't want to know me; that's fine. Say it. Go right ahead. But if I ask if you want to go out sometime and you say yes and I leave my information (this was one girl), and she gives me her information (this same thing happened with two girls), and you find that all your nervous energy, all your shyness, you put away so someone can exchange 2 character long messages once every 3 months (which I usually start, with very few people anyhow), that's being led on.

 

Or online. I understand women may not be interested, or may be boning some guy, but is it really too much to talk?

 

I don't feel like I've been let down by dating, I feel like I've been denied my social life by the fact that I might actually enjoy talking to girls more than guys (sorry but at work everything's sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex "would you hit it raw, B?" "hey look at them ***s mang, those are great", meanwhile I'm the one guy in the room who gets zero).

 

It wasn't always this way; myspace I met a lot of girls off of, and had a lot better times than I'm doing now.

 

When you are sought after by foreign exchange students, posing as if they like you "that way" and you find yourself duped even then, your game's sucking. And frankly, I'm sick of feeling like an alien.

[Fatdrifter]

Hmm, guess I can read, and comprehend as well.... I completely agree with this assessment.

 

Stop being the creepy guy. Yeah you don't like the advice, but its intended to help.

 

Look, I apologize, but I wasn't going to town after one, or two, or even three girls have done things. But when it's in multiples, I get just a little bit cranky.

 

I saw a laundry list of questions; not very clear advice to me.

 

And unfortunately, after years of things being this way, I do feel obligated to be a creep. Life has mostly been ringing one note for me.

 

I do enjoy instructions/advice. But like the last statement of my last post said, much like the very first thread I posted here says, I want to end this. But things are all ****ed up right now.

[ChatroomHero]

I have friends that when they approach women really make me cringe. One time in particular I was sitting next to an attractive girl and we were talking. He inserted himself and said justabsolutey worthless, annoying garbage. The girl was making it clear she was not interested and wanted him to go away. He kept talking another 20 minutes.

 

When she finally said, "hey, I'm not interested" he decided to tell her she was ugly and would be lucky any man would even talk to her. He came back 2-3 more times to ask her why she was such a bitch.

 

To this day the guy posts on facebook about "dishonest women" and how women are never classy...it makes me wonder how many women he has done this too, probably hundreds. He doesn't get it, I'm sure never will.

 

When I approach a woman I take into account that it puts them in a bad position if they reject me openly. Out of the blue they are put in a position to play the bad guy. It's a tough thing to be upfront with a stranger and no matter how they say it, they have to say they do not find you attractive and feel they can find someone better than you.

[Fatdrifter]

I have friends that when they approach women really make me cringe. One time in particular I was sitting next to an attractive girl and we were talking. He inserted himself and said justabsolutey worthless, annoying garbage. The girl was making it clear she was not interested and wanted him to go away. He kept talking another 20 minutes.

 

When she finally said, "hey, I'm not interested" he decided to tell her she was ugly and would be lucky any man would even talk to her. He came back 2-3 more times to ask her why she was such a bitch.

 

To this day the guy posts on facebook about "dishonest women" and how women are never classy...it makes me wonder how many women he has done this too, probably hundreds. He doesn't get it, I'm sure never will.

 

When I approach a woman I take into account that it puts them in a bad position if they reject me openly. Out of the blue they are put in a position to play the bad guy. It's a tough thing to be upfront with a stranger and no matter how they say it, they have to say they do not find you attractive and feel they can find someone better than you.

 

They don't "say" anything tho. The answer, as stated before, is no answer. It's not like I'm getting "no"s and going "aw COME ON!".

 

Puts them in a bad position? Like how? That by default I would be considered "dangerous"? Look, I don't care how they decide make their decisions, but at least be upfront and simply tell the person waiting for an answer! It doesn't make them the bad guy, it actually tells me (I may as well be the bad guy for approaching them, right?) if they are turned on in the slightest by a guy.

 

And then day after day, I read dissertations about how "men are animals" "men are pigs" "men are slime"; feminist complaints on youtube from girls going "Uh, it makes me really uncomfortable when a guy approaches me and asks me if I want to go out for coffee......don't do that".

 

So after a while, I could give a damn about someone's discomfort; they in part did it to themselves.

[ChatroomHero]

I do enjoy instructions/advice. But like the last statement of my last post said, much like the very first thread I posted here says, I want to end this. But things are all ****ed up right now.

 

The question is do you want to improve things or do you want to feel sorry for yourself? If you want to improve things you can no matter how much you try to argue against it.

 

When you feel sorry for yourself you have a tendency to over dramatize things and view past incidents with poo colored glasses.

 

Be honest with yourself, for every time a woman exchanged numbers with you "just being nice" there was probably another time it seemed that way but they were shy or nervous. Depression, like over-confidence has a funny way about re-writing the past to fit the vision.

[StanMusial]

I have friends that when they approach women really make me cringe. One time in particular I was sitting next to an attractive girl and we were talking. He inserted himself and said justabsolutey worthless, annoying garbage. The girl was making it clear she was not interested and wanted him to go away. He kept talking another 20 minutes.

 

When she finally said, "hey, I'm not interested" he decided to tell her she was ugly and would be lucky any man would even talk to her. He came back 2-3 more times to ask her why she was such a bitch.

 

To this day the guy posts on facebook about "dishonest women" and how women are never classy...it makes me wonder how many women he has done this too, probably hundreds. He doesn't get it, I'm sure never will.

 

When I approach a woman I take into account that it puts them in a bad position if they reject me openly. Out of the blue they are put in a position to play the bad guy. It's a tough thing to be upfront with a stranger and no matter how they say it, they have to say they do not find you attractive and feel they can find someone better than you.

 

Yeah it's OK to be frustrated and you might as well vent but if you come off like a sore loser then no one is going to sympathize. Hell I took my lumps and will probably take a lot more in life. If a girl rejects me outright or in a shady way I don't like it but there's no point in going batshyte over it.

 

I've seen crap like this in the quote above. I was at a club once with some buddies and one guy had brought a friend that none of us knew except him. We would try to mingle with a group of girls here and there and in one case there was a group that was obviously right away not interested in talking to us. So we wandered off to the dance floor and that dipshyte stayed with the girls, hovering around the fringes of their ever-tightening group. Apparently he was badgering them for almost an HOUR. The place had got more crowded but at one point one of the girls from that group came and grabbed me and said, "Tell your friend to leave us alone." I was thinking "eff me" and I told her I didn't really know that guy, and I had to find his buddy and explain to him what was going on. I mean, who in the hell does this crap?

[Fatdrifter]

The question is do you want to improve things or do you want to feel sorry for yourself? If you want to improve things you can no matter how much you try to argue against it.

 

When you feel sorry for yourself you have a tendency to over dramatize things and view past incidents with poo colored glasses.

 

Be honest with yourself, for every time a woman exchanged numbers with you "just being nice" there was probably another time it seemed that way but they were shy or nervous. Depression, like over-confidence has a funny way about re-writing the past to fit the vision.

 

What do you think about it? Do you think I put up this thread to hear "let's be a big boy" complaints or that I put it up to get advice? I think it's clear as glass.

 

I'm not dramatic on anything, all this has been building for a long while.

 

It's difficult to diagnose really big smile, active conversation, and twinkly eyes as shyness or nervousness. For me at least.

 

Yeah it's OK to be frustrated and you might as well vent but if you come off like a sore loser then no one is going to sympathize. Hell I took my lumps and will probably take a lot more in life. If a girl rejects me outright or in a shady way I don't like it but there's no point in going batshyte over it.

 

I've seen crap like this in the quote above. I was at a club once with some buddies and one guy had brought a friend that none of us knew except him. We would try to mingle with a group of girls here and there and in one case there was a group that was obviously right away not interested in talking to us. So we wandered off to the dance floor and that dipshyte stayed with the girls, hovering around the fringes of their ever-tightening group. Apparently he was badgering them for almost an HOUR. The place had got more crowded but at one point one of the girls from that group came and grabbed me and said, "Tell your friend to leave us alone." I was thinking "eff me" and I told her I didn't really know that guy, and I had to find his buddy and explain to him what was going on. I mean, who in the hell does this crap?

 

well that's not me; if anything it's underapproaching.

[ChatroomHero]

They don't "say" anything tho. The answer, as stated before, is no answer. It's not like I'm getting "no"s and going "aw COME ON!".

 

Puts them in a bad position? Like how? That by default I would be considered "dangerous"? Look, I don't care how they decide make their decisions, but at least be upfront and simply tell the person waiting for an answer! It doesn't make them the bad guy, it actually tells me (I may as well be the bad guy for approaching them, right?) if they are turned on in the slightest by a guy.

 

And then day after day, I read dissertations about how "men are animals" "men are pigs" "men are slime"; feminist complaints on youtube from girls going "Uh, it makes me really uncomfortable when a guy approaches me and asks me if I want to go out for coffee......don't do that".

 

So after a while, I could give a damn about someone's discomfort; they in part did it to themselves.

 

Let me break this down because I am bored and the Red Wings are losing:

 

1. It does put them in a bad position. It's hard for someone to hurt another person's feelings especially when she was not expecting to have to. For that matter did you ever consider that maybe they were interested or on the fence? or any other reason other than they were trying to torutre you by pretending to be interested but blowing you off?

 

2. The dissertations about men you read, were any of them written by the women that rejected you? Because if not it is a false argument, the dissertations you read have nothing to do with your situations you are posting about. It's like you are trying to say if one woman blows you off it is somehow tied to another woman's youtube post that contradicts what the first woman did. One has nothing to do with the other and you know it.

 

3."So after a while, I could give a damn about someone's discomfort; they in part did it to themselves."

-So every woman must pay the penalty for another woman you dealt with in the past? Hey, some men are pigs, by your argument here, just because some guy in Oregon is a pig, you are a pig and "hey, you did it to yourself", and deserved the blow-offs right?

Its funny, maybe this woman that blew you off is exactly like you and thinks exactly like you and is holding you accountable for the actions of men in her past.

[Fatdrifter]

Let me break this down because I am bored and the Red Wings are losing:

 

1. It does put them in a bad position. It's hard for someone to hurt another person's feelings especially when she was not expecting to have to. For that matter did you ever consider that maybe they were interested or on the fence? or any other reason other than they were trying to torutre you by pretending to be interested but blowing you off?

 

2. The dissertations about men you read, were any of them written by the women that rejected you? Because if not it is a false argument, the dissertations you read have nothing to do with your situations you are posting about. It's like you are trying to say if one woman blows you off it is somehow tied to another woman's youtube post that contradicts what the first woman did. One has nothing to do with the other and you know it.

 

3."So after a while, I could give a damn about someone's discomfort; they in part did it to themselves."

-So every woman must pay the penalty for another woman you dealt with in the past? Hey, some men are pigs, by your argument here, just because some guy in Oregon is a pig, you are a pig and "hey, you did it to yourself", and deserved the blow-offs right?

Its funny, maybe this woman that blew you off is exactly like you and thinks exactly like you and is holding you accountable for the actions of men in her past.

 

1. There's interested and uninterested. "On the fence" should be a result of a participated conversation, with some communication failure. Therefore, I don't deem "on the fence" as acceptable when nothing has been done. Not torture; torture would be interactive, in fact. I just feel lumped in.

2. No, they just peck away at a guy on who they'd decide if they like, and then pretend there's no guys looking for them. It's not uncommon with the invention of teh internetz. Teh internetz is teh inventin were u can sai anytin u want and never paz the conserwweence.

3. I feel like every time a girl puts up something negative in relation to dating, it plays to the tune of "he ****ed me and left". So you have one girl, and then she's heard of that guy, and they go "he ****ed us and left", and then it doubles and "he ****ed us ALL and left!" and so after a while this keeps going on and on and a girl looks at me, and if I even get a chance of a conversation, I'll hear something near to "so you wanna ****!?! huh!?" when I'm asked "so what are you looking for?" . My first thought is "the **** does she think I'm looking for?!". And maybe that may be it; but I want that to be PART OF IT, not what seems to be ALL they look at.

 

And I feel like I'm put into this hive full of other guys that "JUST WANNA ****!" SIMPLY because I would like some once in a while. Actually, if you looked in the sex forum I basically said that wasn't even really so much of what I wanted. But because I lust, I am judged.