Do many women have inflated views on their Attractiveness?

[sweetkiwi]

Yes. God forbid people compliment others on their looks.

 

This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If a woman thinks she is beautiful and gains confidence she is lying to herself. If she has confidence and never leaves the house she'll also never get any kind of dates.

 

Who fhucking cares that people are being nice to eachother!?!?? I would love to scrutinize a photo of you. But I bet you couldn't handle it OP and every dumbasssss who agrees with him.

[Archgirl]

I do agree with you Jcrew. I do think many women think highly of themselves and they are not so attractive/beautiful. I laughed when I saw the facebook comment because thats what ive been saying for so long. youre so beautiful. gorgeous. what a hottie. and I laugh at how ugly they are and how fake those comments are.

 

when I did wedding photography the brides GF's always would say youre so beautiful and me being a say it like I see it guy, wouldnt say a word if I thought she wasnt. sometimes they would say to me "look how beautiful she is" I wouldnt say a word but had my eye in the viewfinder and made believe like I didnt hear her. im not fake.

 

but, there was an article saying that women are getting prettier and men arent. because technology is getting better with all the cosmetics they offer and the industry is clearly aimed at the female to better their appearance. this is good for us men. bad for them. HAHA

 

I think on the whole men and women both think they look better than they really are. women just lie to one another to make each other feel good because society has a lot of emphasis on the beauty and how they look. but many guys think they look so good but are butt ugly as shet.

 

but here's the thing. beauty in woman doesnt matter much. sex appeal is whats most important. she can be average but she has this special something about her that makes you just want to pound her.

 

I went out with such a girl. she knew how to drive me crazy. she knew how to dress that accentuated her figure and nice makeup hair nails high heels. we would wait to get seated in a restaurant and she would slowly rub her azz up against my salami. or when the waitress came over to take our order, she would talk to her while rubbing my cock without flinching. she would take a #1/2 with the door open and just throw her used panties in my lap before jumping in the shower. these are things I love in a woman but you get the jist of it.

 

Yuck! Just yuck! This thread is so toxic!

All you bitter rejected guys here's the solution - women are human beings - talk to us like we are. So many of you are on this forum for the same reasons the women are, this is an opportunity to exchange views, to talk to actual women to hone your skills. Instead you just spout toxic, vile rubbish at each other and completely alienate us. I honestly didn't know so many men thought like this and it's really putting me off dating altogether.

[Titania22]

Yuck! Just yuck! This thread is so toxic!

All you bitter rejected guys here's the solution - women are human beings - talk to us like we are. So many of you are on this forum for the same reasons the women are, this is an opportunity to exchange views, to talk to actual women to hone your skills. Instead you just spout toxic, vile rubbish at each other and completely alienate us. I honestly didn't know so many men thought like this and it's really putting me off dating altogether.

 

This is brilliant though when you think about it, because there is nothing like being faced with a man you wouldn't want to date, to make you feel really happy being single.

 

A year ago on Valentines day I was freaking out because I was single, this year I just had a fun day and wasn't once fussed about it.

 

What really made me want a relationship, was this imaginary idea that somehow my life would be improved with a partner. (No harm to any of you people out there who have been lucky enough to meet someone that does enhance you enjoyment of life.) The reality I have lived in, is one where having a man around has (generally) detracted from my life overall, and being reminded of that is a great way to remind me how absolutely lucky I am to be single and choose my own path.

 

So if anything I am thankful to men who are bitter/negative/or whatever other negative adjective, because they remind me how joyful and fun my life is without them.

[Els]

Yuck! Just yuck! This thread is so toxic!

All you bitter rejected guys here's the solution - women are human beings - talk to us like we are. So many of you are on this forum for the same reasons the women are, this is an opportunity to exchange views, to talk to actual women to hone your skills. Instead you just spout toxic, vile rubbish at each other and completely alienate us. I honestly didn't know so many men thought like this and it's really putting me off dating altogether.

 

It's just LS, hon. Really. I promise you. I think men come to LS for very different reasons from women in general, so for some reason LS tends to attract the worst of the lot. There are definitely LS guys who are great, but they are more the exception than the norm. As compared to IRL, that is. I wouldn't deprive a great guy of a future with you just because of some bitter dudes posting on an online message board!

[Eternal Sunshine]

There are definitely some awesome guys on here...and others :S

 

I have found out on here that guys hate insecure girls

Guys also hate girls that over-estimate their attractiveness

 

So a girl can only win if she estimates her attractiveness within half mark of how you would rate her? (on 1-10 scale of course)

[Els]

 

So if anything I am thankful to men who are bitter/negative/or whatever other negative adjective, because they remind me how joyful and fun my life is without them.

 

Life is definitely WAY better single than with guys like that! If the representation of guys in LS was true to life, I'd happily adopt 10 cats and be single for life.

[Archgirl]

Thankyou! You guys are all tens in my book (with half a point leeway obviously in case of any nearby fragile male egos)

I guess a bit of an over-reaction on my part (this never happened right?)

Edited February 16, 2013 by Archgirl

[rocketman122]

I have found out on here that guys hate insecure girls

Guys also hate girls that over-estimate their attractiveness

So a girl can only win if she estimates her attractiveness within half mark of how you would rate her? (on 1-10 scale of course)

 

its the exact opposite for me. every women I dated had insecurity and self esteem issues. it just seem to be that way. I dont use it to dominate or make them stay down. I take them and make them feel good about themselves I bring them up and give them a lot of attention and love and tell them how beautiful they are. all the time.

 

My problem is with those stuck up women who are prudes and think so highly of themselves. the jap kind. specifically those "princesses" who arent attractive and think they are. that, I dont like. they need to brought down a notch or 2.

 

I didnt read any other comments besides the first page but why do the women here have issues? kiwi is pretty from your avatar. also superb. didnt see others.

 

if you think youre pretty what does it matter? I dont care if someone says im ugly. I also said that men think theyre good looking but many arent. both sides do it but that facebook thing is too fake for my taste. I wouldnt want someone telling me im good looking if im not. just dont say anything. I also dont need reassurance to feel good. you women shouldnt either.

[rocketman122]

Thankyou! You guys are all tens in my book (with half a point leeway obviously in case of any nearby fragile male egos)

I guess a bit of an over-reaction on my part (this never happened right?)

 

I thought your avatar was something from a movie, but I just looked at your pics and you are pretty. im confused here. why the issue? youre a pretty girl. its obvious. and a male telling you should be worth much more than a female on facebook. I dont need someone to tell me im good looking and you shouldnt either. must be because of the built in competition for beauty between women.

 

I just read your other post. I see the issue. you date these guys who keep you donw by not making you feel good. I dont do that. like I said, I bring my woman up. I always make them stronger. but I have an issue with overly confident women who think highly of themselves and for no reason. you always have to be humble. those that have an over inflated ego is what I dont like. man or woman.

Edited February 16, 2013 by rocketman122

[Eternal Sunshine]

I love that you bring your women up rocketman. I once dated a man who was telling me how beautiful I am ALL the time. My confidence increased so much and I was never happier. Too bad we didn't have enough in common to work.

 

As for Facebook, for some reason I never get comments from women telling me I am pretty. Usually men like my pictures and sometimes make flirty comments.....

[Apolodor]

Most women are superficial creatures. Media has been feeding this new generations of girls/women that settling for anything but a hot man is not acceptable. In magazines and on TV all we see is these shallow men who spend all their time maintaining or improving their looks. Also women have come to the realisation that an average girl in a bar can always find 10 hot males who would be interested in sleeping with her for a night. So they don't get a lot of pressure from that side because no-strings sex is always available to them.

With the society rewarding beautiful people in so many walks of life, females are aware that if their children are average they are unlikely to get far in life (unless they have brain to make up for the lack in the appearance department), so it seems natural to wait for that elusive Alpha male that can give her offsprings that will propagate her genes.

[Eternal Sunshine]

Most women are superficial creatures. Media has been feeding this new generations of girls/women that settling for anything but a hot man is not acceptable. In magazines and on TV all we see is these shallow men who spend all their time maintaining or improving their looks. Also women have come to the realisation that an average girl in a bar can always find 10 hot males who would be interested in sleeping with her for a night. So they don't get a lot of pressure from that side because no-strings sex is always available to them.

With the society rewarding beautiful people in so many walks of life, females are aware that if their children are average they are unlikely to get far in life (unless they have brain to make up for the lack in the appearance department), so it seems natural to wait for that elusive Alpha male that can give her offsprings that will propagate her genes.

 

While bolded may be true, women do not care about having casual sex the way men do. Women do not think like men.

 

The "average" girl in your story will walk out of that bar, alone and longing for an "average" guy she will truly connect to.

[rocketman122]

Most women are superficial creatures. Media has been feeding this new generations of girls/women that settling for anything but a hot man is not acceptable. In magazines and on TV all we see is these shallow men who spend all their time maintaining or improving their looks. Also women have come to the realisation that an average girl in a bar can always find 10 hot males who would be interested in sleeping with her for a night. So they don't get a lot of pressure from that side because no-strings sex is always available to them.

With the society rewarding beautiful people in so many walks of life, females are aware that if their children are average they are unlikely to get far in life (unless they have brain to make up for the lack in the appearance department), so it seems natural to wait for that elusive Alpha male that can give her offsprings that will propagate her genes.

 

 

thats not exactly a complimentary thing to say for a woman. I dont know why they bring it up. I can sleep with any guy here if I wanted to. its degrading to the woman and brings her down because those guys just want to relieve themselves and after that dont want anything to do with her.

 

I as a man might not be able to sleep with 10 woman at a bar (never even been to a pickup bar before) but the good majority of them would want a relationship after. I think people need to stop using that statement its not relevant.

[xxoo]

when I did wedding photography the brides GF's always would say youre so beautiful and me being a say it like I see it guy, wouldnt say a word if I thought she wasnt. sometimes they would say to me "look how beautiful she is" I wouldnt say a word but had my eye in the viewfinder and made believe like I didnt hear her. im not fake.

 

God forbid an average woman should feel beautiful on her wedding day

 

I occurs to me that there are people who judge beauty, and then there are people who see beauty. I'm happily in the latter group.

 

I would hope that seeing beauty in brides (and capturing that beauty) is a requirement for wedding photographers!

Edited February 16, 2013 by xxoo

[rocketman122]

God forbid an average woman should feel beautiful on her wedding day

 

I occurs to me that there are people who judge beauty, and then there are people who see beauty. I'm happily in the latter group.

 

so everyone is special and beautiful in your eyes? if everyone is, then no one is. does she need the photographer to make her feel special and beautiful? she has her friends. I will be but a distant memory in less than a year. my compliment is irrelevant.

[rocketman122]

God forbid an average woman should feel beautiful on her wedding day

 

I occurs to me that there are people who judge beauty, and then there are people who see beauty. I'm happily in the latter group.

 

I would hope that seeing beauty in brides (and capturing that beauty) is a requirement for wedding photographers!

 

NICE! haha.

 

you can see some of my work here:

Flickr: the jedi master's Photostream

 

I think I do see beauty in things and my work captures that. I havent done weddings for a while now. these are all kinds of different stuff I did. not specific to weddings.

[xxoo]

so everyone is special and beautiful in your eyes? if everyone is, then no one is. does she need the photographer to make her feel special and beautiful? she has her friends. I will be but a distant memory in less than a year. my compliment is irrelevant.

 

Yes, everyone has beauty in my eyes.

 

That doesn't mean everyone is a great beauty.

 

Your compliment, or lack there of, is irrelevant. Your judgmental thoughts are what shock me--esp when she is paying you to capture her beauty. Everyone has it, and a good photographer reveals it.

[rocketman122]

Yes, everyone has beauty in my eyes.

 

That doesn't mean everyone is a great beauty.

 

Your compliment, or lack there of, is irrelevant. Your judgmental thoughts are what shock me--esp when she is paying you to capture her beauty. Everyone has it, and a good photographer reveals it.

 

some have more internal beauty and some more external. and thats what I said. she doesnt need my compliment. she'll do just fine without it. why tell her a lie if I dont truly feel it?

 

youre just fake and a liar for telling people theyre beautiful when they really arent so. I dont need reassurance from anyone to make myself feel good.

 

look how upset you get because a photog doesnt tell specific brides theyre gorgeous and beautiful. out of all the family members, the friends, everyone, the photog is what will ruin the wedding. my measly "yes, she's gorgeous" is what will make or break the wedding.

 

take a double does of ur antidepressant medicine today please. sheesh

[xxoo]

some have more internal beauty and some more external. and thats what I said. she doesnt need my compliment. she'll do just fine without it. why tell her a lie if I dont truly feel it?

 

youre just fake and a liar for telling people theyre beautiful when they really arent so. I dont need reassurance from anyone to make myself feel good.

 

look how upset you get because a photog doesnt tell specific brides theyre gorgeous and beautiful. out of all the family members, the friends, everyone, the photog is what will ruin the wedding. my measly "yes, she's gorgeous" is what will make or break the wedding.

 

take a double does of ur antidepressant medicine today please. sheesh

 

When I said "Your compliment, or lack therof, is irrelevant", I meant that it doesn't matter if you compliment her or not. I don't care if you do or don't. Say nothing--whatever. It's irrelevant. It certainly doesn't upset me.

 

It is the judgment you are expressing here (that the bride you were photographing was not ss beautiful as her friends and family members believed) that shocks me.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

You're missing the point of the question. Its that Single Men don't view a girl as "attractive as she thinks she is" and that is the reason they are ignoring her (She's ugly and mediocre).

 

This is a common complaint I see - "I'm told I'm a pretty girl but why can't I find a boyfriend/husband?"

 

She may think she's a pretty girl, but as Men see her, she's "conventionally UGLY" and that is one of the Big reasons she is single.

 

Now, if she was an ugly girl with a really good persaonility, some men will find her personality attractive.

 

Being complemented as "pretty" is the same as "nice" - its vague and doesn't hold water.

 

No. I am not missing anything here. I called it like I saw it. You want the power to tell women how they should feel about themselves. And you feel bitter that a woman actually might feel good about herself and feel pretty inspite of what you think about her. That's f*cked up Dude. You get no authority in telling a woman that because *you* don't think she is pretty, she isn't allowed to think she is pretty.

 

Maybe you should worry more about why *you* are single. I think that you believe it's women's fault that you are single. You don't have the courage to look at the kind of man you are inside.

 

You also seem to have the misguided assumption that just because a man is nice and a woman is average, she should just automatically accept any request for a date from any man based on his niceness. No offense but relationships take a heck of a lot more than a nice person or an average/moderately attractive/pretty/handsome person. People are SO much more diverse.

 

You don't get to tell other women that they are thinking above themselves just because they believe they are pretty or like their own looks and you might not. Your opinion of how they look is not more important then how they feel about how they look. So you preaching about how women are *wrong* to think they are pretty when you don't is basically extremely egotistical, shallow, selfish and degrading on your part. Good job. And if we go by your mindset, my opinion of you is actually one of more importance than your own opinion of yourself. After all, that's basically what your saying about your opinion of other women.

[Archgirl]

I thought your avatar was something from a movie, but I just looked at your pics and you are pretty. im confused here. why the issue? youre a pretty girl. its obvious. and a male telling you should be worth much more than a female on facebook. I dont need someone to tell me im good looking and you shouldnt either. must be because of the built in competition for beauty between women.

 

I just read your other post. I see the issue. you date these guys who keep you donw by not making you feel good. I dont do that. like I said, I bring my woman up. I always make them stronger. but I have an issue with overly confident women who think highly of themselves and for no reason. you always have to be humble. those that have an over inflated ego is what I dont like. man or woman.

 

Seriously!? That's what you came away with out of all this discussion? You think I am worried men don't think I'm pretty!?!

Ugh. So now I need a shower. In bleach.

[xxoo]

Seriously!? That's what you came away with out of all this discussion? You think I am worried men don't think I'm pretty!?!

Ugh. So now I need a shower. In bleach.

 

Yes, it's frustrating (and a little amusing) when men assume we must be unattractive to men if we are concerned with men disparaging women's appearance.

 

Even for an attractive confident woman, it can be a HUGE turn off to hear a guy cut down average women's looks.

[bodhesatva]

Of course. Many women also undervalue their beauty.

 

While it's completely unfair, a woman's beauty significantly affects her life in a huge variety of ways. It affects the men she can attract, the jobs she can get, the friends she can make. It should not be a surprise when something so (unfairly) important to a woman's success in life produces obsessive behavior, with some egotistical women overvaluing their beauty, and some insecure women doing the opposite.

 

Very few women inflate their ability to play Football, for example, because virtually no one cares if a woman can play football and it has no effect on their future success. If it did, I'm sure we'd see the same behavior; some women talking about how amazing they are at football, while others downplay their ability because they're unsure they can live up to expectations.

Edited February 16, 2013 by bodhesatva

[jcrew11]

I think "feeling pretty" and "actually being pretty" are 2 separate things.

Is that sort of like "feeling smart" and "failing a standardized test"?

 

My point was that a woman complains she can't find a man even though she is "pretty." In that scenario, then yes - the man she is pursuing is deciding whether she actually is "pretty enough to date," if he is just judging her by looks.

 

Besides, what I think is the case is that some women are "pretty enough to date short term," but not "super pretty enough to want to keep around for a long term marriage" from what the guy is thinking.

 

No. I am not missing anything here. I called it like I saw it. You want the power to tell women how they should feel about themselves. And you feel bitter that a woman actually might feel good about herself and feel pretty inspite of what you think about her. That's f*cked up Dude. You get no authority in telling a woman that because *you* don't think she is pretty, she isn't allowed to think she is pretty.

 

Maybe you should worry more about why *you* are single. I think that you believe it's women's fault that you are single. You don't have the courage to look at the kind of man you are inside.

 

You also seem to have the misguided assumption that just because a man is nice and a woman is average, she should just automatically accept any request for a date from any man based on his niceness. No offense but relationships take a heck of a lot more than a nice person or an average/moderately attractive/pretty/handsome person. People are SO much more diverse.

 

You don't get to tell other women that they are thinking above themselves just because they believe they are pretty or like their own looks and you might not. Your opinion of how they look is not more important then how they feel about how they look. So you preaching about how women are *wrong* to think they are pretty when you don't is basically extremely egotistical, shallow, selfish and degrading on your part. Good job. And if we go by your mindset, my opinion of you is actually one of more importance than your own opinion of yourself. After all, that's basically what your saying about your opinion of other women.

[rocketman122]

Seriously!? That's what you came away with out of all this discussion? You think I am worried men don't think I'm pretty!?!

Ugh. So now I need a shower. In bleach.

 

i'll bring the acid. its even more disinfecting.