JuneJulySeptember Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Is this another thread about angry, bitter guys who can't get dates with goodlooking women? I'll be perfectly honest. It's fun for people. It's fun for guys to post about women and generalize them and it's fun for women (and non-bitter men) to get all riled up and bash those bitter men. The same threads come up all the time because there are ALWAYS people who respond. Arguing is just a part of human nature. OTOH, I posted what I thought was a great video the other day that REALLY got me to change the way I look at myself and my conceptions about looks and society, and it got like 2 responses. 1
Archgirl Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Is this another thread about angry, bitter guys who can't get dates with goodlooking women? Yes. And then it got incredibly random and hard to follow but then turned out was still a strange rant against women thinking they were better looking than they were, only this time also for not being humble enough to need some dudes validation if they did happen to be goodlooking
Archgirl Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 I'll be perfectly honest. It's fun for people. It's fun for guys to post about women and generalize them and it's fun for women (and non-bitter men) to get all riled up and bash those bitter men. The same threads come up all the time because there are ALWAYS people who respond. Arguing is just a part of human nature. OTOH, I posted what I thought was a great video the other day that REALLY got me to change the way I look at myself and my conceptions about looks and society, and it got like 2 responses. It is indeed part of human nature. So is pretending to be above the argument when it looks like you're not winning. I guess we're all a lil ego driven
Author jcrew11 Posted February 15, 2013 Author Posted February 15, 2013 oh FFS! Not another post by bitter rejected guys trying regain power over women for not noticing them by putting them down sexuallly/standing in judgement over their appearance. Man-up guys, its pathetically transparent and frankly really boring. I said "Women care too much about their looks, and expect Men to do the same." Do you want "ugly men" to spend more time in the mirror enhancing their looks just like women? Is that the secret to man-up? Tell me, what exactly is a "Low quality man" that can be determined in 5 minutes at a bar? I do agree that women are "punished more for being ugly" but that is more due to the commercialization of cosmetics.
JuneJulySeptember Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 It is indeed part of human nature. So is pretending to be above the argument when it looks like you're not winning. I guess we're all a lil ego driven Is there any reason why you keep jabbing me and digging into me? I didn't say anything personal about you. How many times do I have to say it? Also, you were the one who responded to my post. 1
Lonely Ronin Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 I wander what percentage of the worlds angry bitter dudes are on LS, 80%, 90%, 95%? 3
Archgirl Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Is there any reason why you keep jabbing me and digging into me? I didn't say anything personal about you. How many times do I have to say it? Also, you were the one who responded to my post. Mostly because you keep making it really easy and because it makes me laugh. And you know perfectly well you did it first. 1
JuneJulySeptember Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Mostly because you keep making it really easy and because it makes me laugh. And you know perfectly well you did it first. Well, I hope it was great fun. You're right though. I have no idea why I have this stupid ego driven urge to not lose these stupid arguments. But I can change that about myself. 1
ltjg45 Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 I wander what percentage of the worlds angry bitter dudes are on LS, 80%, 90%, 95%? 10% at tops. And that only provided you count me in that number. I went to other forums. You are severely underestimating how many more is out there. 2
Author jcrew11 Posted February 15, 2013 Author Posted February 15, 2013 Yes. And then it got incredibly random and hard to follow but then turned out was still a strange rant against women thinking they were better looking than they were, only this time also for not being humble enough to need some dudes validation if they did happen to be goodlooking Its funny how the defense mechanism that the women give is "having self esteem based on validating her looks." You say you don't want to be judged superficially, yet you say its okay for women to perpetuate the myth of superficiality by constantly complimenting her looks. So why do you blame Men for being the only cause of "ugly women lacking self esteem"? I think a lot of 'good-looking women' do settle for 'ugly men.' There are just the few alpha females that won't settle for anything less than perfection. Maybe in this modern age of feminism, females are expecting men to enhance their looks to become as "good-looking men." I do see the cosmetic industry and plastic surgery industry coming out with more Men's grooming products and commercializing men's image fears. We are coming into a future, where both genders become pre-occupied with makeup and skin creams. Isn't that glorious. 1
Archgirl Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Well, I hope it was great fun. You're right though. I have no idea why I have this stupid ego driven urge to not lose these stupid arguments. But I can change that about myself. Why change it? Why not embrace it, accept it, own it. The perfect human would probably also be the most boring conversationalist. Night all!
Author jcrew11 Posted February 15, 2013 Author Posted February 15, 2013 IME, women underestimate their attractiveness. We are incredibly hard on ourselves when it comes to appearance. Its sad how women are never complimented because they are "smart or have a good personality." Its always about how good she is looking. No wonder women have such screwed up self esteem issues based on their looks. 1
ltjg45 Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Its sad how women are never complimented because they are "smart or have a good personality." Its always about how good she is looking. No wonder women have such screwed up self esteem issues based on their looks. This is why I go after females only once I see how they act in public. I tried to get with one female that is about my looks when compared but she was already taken, which surprised me in a way, due to males preferring more attractive females overall during their 20s. But she was texting to "her boo" so I can't really get salty over it.
Lonely Ronin Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 10% at tops. And that only provided you count me in that number. I went to other forums. You are severely underestimating how many more is out there. Well, I think they would be surprised how well they do if they, turned the bitterness into motivation.......
JuneJulySeptember Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Self-deprecation is one way that people have to stay humble and have some level of humility. There is a big difference between self-deprecating and self-loathing. Having an overinflated view of one's self, on the other hand? Never cool....never has been, never will be. OMG! Finally someone who shares one of my viewpoints. Thank you, thank you, thank you! I can retire from LS from the day in peace. 1
ltjg45 Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) Well, I think they would be surprised how well they do if they, turned the bitterness into motivation....... They prefer turning it into anger.....at something else entirely and nowhere near related to relationships at all. They are currently blinded. Them not getting women is merely a minor side-effect. Don't get me wrong: They are certainly bitter. Edited February 15, 2013 by ltjg45
Lonely Ronin Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 They prefer turning it into anger.....at something else entirely and nowhere near related to relationships at all. They are currently blinded. Them not getting women is merely a minor side-effect. Don't get me wrong: They are certainly bitter. Some times I just want to look at the floor and shake my head. I think most of the bitter guys are their own biggest problem. They are so focused on being bitter/angry with women, that they loose sight of what they really wanted to start with.... It blow my mind how they can't see the self fulfilling prophecy they have gotten themselves into. 1
ltjg45 Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Some times I just want to look at the floor and shake my head. I think most of the bitter guys are their own biggest problem. They are so focused on being bitter/angry with women, that they loose sight of what they really wanted to start with.... It blow my mind how they can't see the self fulfilling prophecy they have gotten themselves into. I would expand on what I mean but that would require a new topic being made and a continuation of the only topic I started. So I will stop here for the time being.
pteromom Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 I haven't read all the responses, because there is only so much eye-rolling I can take before my eyes start to hurt. The question isn't whether a lot of women have inflated views of their attractiveness. The question is why it offends you so much. I am a 40-something mom with a few extra pounds on me, and I go around feeling great about myself even though none of you would notice me or deem me attractive. I don't go around feeling like hot stuff to impress other people - I do it because it makes me feel good. I like myself and I have learned to focus on the parts of me that I love, and just ignore the parts I don't, since it is out of my control that some parts of me don't look as great as they did in my 20s. So - if a woman feels more attractive than she is to the majority of men, WHY is it so offensive? Is is because YOU can't get a woman so it is offensive that the less-hot women are going after the hot guys? Is it because you feel like crap about yourself, so it offends you that women at or below your "level" of attractiveness don't feel like crap about themselves? Is it because it is easier to judge strangers - "Who does she think she is anyway!?" than it is to work on your own issues and fix your own life? I don't get it. If you aren't attracted to someone, don't date them. Period. How she feels about herself doesn't matter. Personally, I feel every person has something to offer, and I would love to live in a world where we ALL go around feeling great about ourselves. 7
pteromom Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 If there is one prevalent theme that I have noticed on this board, its that there are a lot of guys here who are jaded and jealous because they can't get what they want. E.G. This whole 'Alpha male' obsession is out of control. Yes, I wish there was a way to just block any post that included the words "alpha" or "beta". Or any post about how people won't date those of a certain race or height or penis size. Absolutely RIDICULOUS. People do not fit neatly into little stereotypes, and every person is attracted to different attributes based on their own values and life experience. I think the whole need for this "alpha" crap and societal rules is so they can believe there is something external and out of their control that is deciding their fate, vs. their own attitudes and behaviors. Gets really really old.
JuneJulySeptember Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 I haven't read all the responses, because there is only so much eye-rolling I can take before my eyes start to hurt. The question isn't whether a lot of women have inflated views of their attractiveness. The question is why it offends you so much. I am a 40-something mom with a few extra pounds on me, and I go around feeling great about myself even though none of you would notice me or deem me attractive. I don't go around feeling like hot stuff to impress other people - I do it because it makes me feel good. I like myself and I have learned to focus on the parts of me that I love, and just ignore the parts I don't, since it is out of my control that some parts of me don't look as great as they did in my 20s. So - if a woman feels more attractive than she is to the majority of men, WHY is it so offensive? Is is because YOU can't get a woman so it is offensive that the less-hot women are going after the hot guys? Is it because you feel like crap about yourself, so it offends you that women at or below your "level" of attractiveness don't feel like crap about themselves? Is it because it is easier to judge strangers - "Who does she think she is anyway!?" than it is to work on your own issues and fix your own life? I don't get it. If you aren't attracted to someone, don't date them. Period. How she feels about herself doesn't matter. Personally, I feel every person has something to offer, and I would love to live in a world where we ALL go around feeling great about ourselves. I don't understand how people can't understand why guys are bitter. If you had been rejected by mostly or entirely every woman you ever liked or were attracted to in your life (for whatever the reason), you would need a way to internalize the rejection. One of those ways is by lashing out at those who deemed themselves above you by rejecting you. The key is to internalize life's rejections in not just romance, but school, work, and friendships. I think another poster said 'contentment and gratefulness for what you do have'. I think that is the key.
stillafool Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 I don't get it. If you aren't attracted to someone, don't date them. Period. How she feels about herself doesn't matter. ^^^^^^^^ This!
pteromom Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 I don't understand how people can't understand why guys are bitter. If you had been rejected by mostly or entirely every woman you ever liked or were attracted to in your life (for whatever the reason), you would need a way to internalize the rejection. One of those ways is by lashing out at those who deemed themselves above you by rejecting you. Yes, I see what you are saying. But at the end of the day, we all have to ask whether our beliefs are serving our best interest or not. What does someone gain by sitting at home being angry at women? Especially when they talk non-stop about how much they want a woman in their lives? If someone has been rejected by EVERY WOMAN they've ever liked, the common denominator is them. It means that something is wrong with THEM, since ugly, bald, small-penised, short men get married and have kids and live happy lives all the time. So it has to be THEM. And the only person with the power to change that is THEM. Look at our friend Wholigan and how he has changed his life around with just pure stick-to-it-ive-ness. It does nothing for someone to just refuse to change and blame society for one's own shortcomings. 2
PJKino Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 I dont buy that all women are highly insecure i think sometimes when a women is being self depricating about herself she is fishing for compliments Plus i can see being insecure by media portrayals of women as a teenager but if your a adult and youre insecure because of female images then you have some issues Its a highly sexualized society,should i jump off a roof because men with six pack abs are in commercials now used to sell products and not men who look like me?
Anela Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 This may have been discussed many times. But I just see stories of "average girls" who constantly claim they can't find a decent guy even though all her female friends and family members tell her how pretty and attractive she is. I'll see the pictures and the girl might have nice eyes but generally their faces are average/unattractive. Yet, these average girls are trying to find Mr Handsome; and they might be able to sleep with a Hot Alpha Player for one night, but they won't be able to keep a steady alpha boyfriend. I don't know what the answer is except not listening to your friends; and dating more average/unattractive men. I just think that if a girl is that "Hot and Attractive" there will be a guy out there willing to marry her, unless her personality is too annoying. I just think that because even "average looking girls" can get hit on a lot, they just have an inflated ego on their attractiveness to men. "Willing to marry her"??? It is one of the most discussed things around. Average women - who wants 'em? right? Apparently, plenty of men do. "Willing to marry her." Reminds me of this: Girls on HBO, "One Man's Trash," episode 5 of Season 2, reviewed by guys. - Slate Magazine Patrick Wilson's Real-Life Partner Weighs in on that Girls Episode the Internet Trolls Won't Shut Up About
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