tbf Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Some men have presence, others don't. It's impossible to explain it. 2
pbjbear Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 A prefer a guy with a mixture of both types' qualities...
e40 Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Some men have presence, others don't. It's impossible to explain it. A man who doesn't have presence who tries to have presence usually fails miserably.
grkBoy Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 I'll put it in simple terms: Alpha: The men most women want/find attractive. Beta: The men most women do not want/do not find attractive. We can go into looks, money, "game", charm, charisma, sexual fortitude, etc...but in this forum, it really comes down to that simple definition. I won't even pull up "nice guy" or "bad boy" because in the end it still comes back to whether or not the male in question is desired by the majority of the female gender. 1
tbf Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 A man who doesn't have presence who tries to have presence usually fails miserably.Thought about it for awhile and came up with what I think might be the quality. A man who's secure with his masculinity and with himself. Metaphorically, this: http://cdn.itsnature.org/Plant_Life/images/article-pics/OakTree.jpg versus this: http://www.landscape-america.com/art/trees/japanese_crab_2.jpg 1
its a lifestyle Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 I even shouted at a boss in the parking lot. Now THAT is BADASS!!
ls32ssibm Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 I don't belong to any pack. I am a lone wolf.
fortyninethousand322 Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Some men have presence, others don't. It's impossible to explain it. This, pretty much. Either you have it or you don't.
ls32ssibm Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 This, pretty much. Either you have it or you don't. And then you leave high school / college and everybody is equal.
Author SJC2008 Posted February 12, 2013 Author Posted February 12, 2013 Now THAT is BADASS!! Lol! Not my finest moment! All evidence to the contrary, I'm a very pleasant, likeable guy.
fortyninethousand322 Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 And then you leave high school / college and everybody is equal. Never. It only goes downhill from there.
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 See how many other males hates his guts just due to his presence and how many females would daydream about banging him in the office closet. There is only a handful of alpha males. Every other male is beta. I'm sorry, but this is SOOOOO much B.S. You are sorely misguided, my friend. First of all, I reject the labels. But, I will just pretend that I am ready to assign the term "alpha" to some people. An "alpha" person (yes, a woman can be "alpha") will be the dominant entity; the leader, within a particular social group. The "alpha" at work, in a board meeting, may well not be the "alpha" in a hipster night club, on a football team, in prison, at war or at a poetry slam. It's a label for a position in a social hierarchy, which is dependent upon the specific environment. Men don't hate so-called alpha men. What you call "alpha" men are leaders of people, including other men. People with great leadership qualities are often beloved by those they lead. The concept of "alpha" has been preempted and redefined by the PUA'ers - I guess to mean a guy who pulls a lot of girls in a bar scene. That's pretty undimensional. 1
ltjg45 Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 I'm sorry, but this is SOOOOO much B.S. You are sorely misguided, my friend. First of all, I reject the labels. But, I will just pretend that I am ready to assign the term "alpha" to some people. An "alpha" person (yes, a woman can be "alpha") will be the dominant entity; the leader, within a particular social group. The "alpha" at work, in a board meeting, may well not be the "alpha" in a hipster night club, on a football team, in prison, at war or at a poetry slam. It's a label for a position in a social hierarchy, which is dependent upon the specific environment. Men don't hate so-called alpha men. What you call "alpha" men are leaders of people, including other men. People with great leadership qualities are often beloved by those they lead. The concept of "alpha" has been preempted and redefined by the PUA'ers - I guess to mean a guy who pulls a lot of girls in a bar scene. That's pretty undimensional. While I'm sure I was overestimating what I said, it is mostly true for the most part. Women want the man in command, the man with the money and the gifts. The males who don't have it have to fight for the attractive leftovers provided they even get the time of day. The remaining either have to go single forever or settle down with those even uglier than them (and considering the looks of the average males, that got to take a hit to their confidence level). Society is a cruel beast. Very very very few gets to reap any positive benefit out of it. In a way, I can't blame males for banging females early on whenever they can. Good chance, even if they did this or not, they won't see anywhere near as much action when they get older.
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 While I'm sure I was overestimating what I said, it is mostly true for the most part. Women want the man in command, the man with the money and the gifts. The males who don't have it have to fight for the attractive leftovers provided they even get the time of day. The remaining either have to go single forever or settle down with those even uglier than them (and considering the looks of the average males, that got to take a hit to their confidence level). Society is a cruel beast. Very very very few gets to reap any positive benefit out of it. In a way, I can't blame males for banging females early on whenever they can. Good chance, even if they did this or not, they won't see anywhere near as much action when they get older. Honestly, you have no clue about what goes on between men and women in the big picture of real life. I have some advice for you; I hope you'll take it to heart: Please don't buy into the kind of stuff you are expressing here. It will get you absolutely nowhere.
ltjg45 Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Honestly, you have no clue about what goes on between men and women in the big picture of real life. I have some advice for you; I hope you'll take it to heart: Please don't buy into the kind of stuff you are expressing here. It will get you absolutely nowhere. I'm trying not to but seeing this IRL does make it feel hopeless to me. Would it change for me? I don't know. I did ask one female today who is like a 4-5 on the attractive level (about equal, if not slightly lower, to me) and she already has a BF. This is only the 2nd female I shown any interest in and it already feeling hopeless. There isn't a lot of females that I can actually see myself with anyway.
ls32ssibm Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Haha!!! This is a joke, right? No, it's the truth, in terms of these stupid social circles that even suggest that humans have "alphas". Once school is over, the nerds are no longer nerds, and most of the jocks seem to get fat.
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 I'm trying not to but seeing this IRL does make it feel hopeless to me. Would it change for me? I don't know. I did ask one female today who is like a 4-5 on the attractive level (about equal, if not slightly lower, to me) and she already has a BF. This is only the 2nd female I shown any interest in and it already feeling hopeless. There isn't a lot of females that I can actually see myself with anyway. Are you a teenager? Things will change from the way they are now. It will be better if you bail on the rating scale for looks, and also think of girls as individuals instead of "females." Just try to enjoy your life. Women and girls like that in a guy.
ltjg45 Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Are you a teenager? Things will change from the way they are now. It will be better if you bail on the rating scale for looks, and also think of girls as individuals instead of "females." Just try to enjoy your life. Women and girls like that in a guy. I would love to once I find a job and get as far away from my family as possible. Until then, there is little to enjoy, unfortunately.
ltjg45 Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 By the way, I wish I was a teenager. Far better than being an adult right now.
c57dood Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Seems like the guys who focus so much on this alpha/beta garbage are just trying to sell some "system" or gimmick to rip off desperate men who simply haven't met the right woman yet. "Hello, would you like to be an ALPHA male? One who has command of every situation, has girls all over him, AND has a huge bank account? Well then, for only $19.95 I can tell you this secret, and once you learn the tips and tricks you'll be a certified ALPHA male, no longer a pathetic beta. We even have courses and classes to educate you in the art of seduction!" Right? There's countless examples of con artists taking advantage of other people's desperation just to make a quick buck. This type of thinking is harmful to young and easily influenced men.
fortyninethousand322 Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Thing is, if you're not an alpha male now, you can't just become one. It's part of your being. I'm sure there are ways to appear one for a while, but eventually the real non-alpha you comes through.
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