Casablanca Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 They sort of matter, but they don't I require a girl who is motivated and educated You can become educated even if you come from a poor background. I don't care if your parents are poor and your the first in your family to make it to and graduate college; if your educated and goal oriented we have a chance And I just realized I talked about education and used "your" when I should of used "you're" twice...doh
StanMusial Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 Networking is great for some forms of sales (insurance for example) but it means nothing in business to business sales because there's a small percentage of people you meet who will own businesses You would probably want to network with people who own businesses that might require your services. 1
StanMusial Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 That's great if you can do that, but it's not necessary and perhaps not even feasible for a lot of people I mean if you sell GPS devices to financial companies, how the hell are you going to network with people who own financial companies? Trade shows, conventions, seminars, etc. etc.
miss_jaclynrae Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 :laugh: You know more about my best friend than I do? He worked 40-50 hours a week in B2B sales and made 150K because he was very very good at his job. It's not about being a slave and working 90 hours a week, it's about being smart and efficient with your time. I workout 4-5 hours in the gym in a week and can get better results than guys who workout 15 hours a week. You work at Carmax, which has the most atrocious payplan imagineable At most good car dealerships, you should be able to make 5K a month dicking around half the time because you're going to have plenty of deals where you make 500 to 1,500 dollars on just 1 car. I know guys who sold 9 cars in a month and made 5,000 dollars If you work as hard as you're talking about there, you're going to make 10-15K a month at most decent dealerships I agree with you, but you get that just naturally through your work cycle. Networking is great for some forms of sales (insurance for example) but it means nothing in business to business sales because there's a small percentage of people you meet who will own businesses You obviously know nothing about the car industry, do you know how many average sales consultants a dealership hires, and how many of them end up actually getting the sales? For one, the ****ty ******* sales people do, which is why I love my job, I am an honest working person who doesn't screw people over. Car sales is cut throat, there is a reason why they have the reputation of being completely shady, because they are. That is why I work for carmax, and you are right, I don't make that much. Now, if you are in GPS sales, which yes, can be a lucrative business, care to tell me what products you sell? They can range from the hundreds to the thousands, and I can tell you that in order to find companies that want the product... you DO network. Unless that **** is handed to you on a silver platter. Not to mention the start up cost is extremely expensive, which means your millionaire friend was already well off before he got into the business. What do YOU do though DJtiesto? You still haven't told us all how you are oh so wealthy.
miss_jaclynrae Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 If you go to a convention to talk to owners of financial companies to try to sell your product, that's just a regular part of your job. I don't think I would even consider that networking Then you are dense and do not realize what networking is. THAT is networking, and that takes time away from your life. Until you are already established in whatever industry you plan to get into when it comes to sales, you network like crazy, you do what you can, and I can say YES. You have very little social life. 1
Pyro Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 You're a 23 year old girl with no clue what you're talking about. How are you going to teach me about sales when I have friends who are actual sales executives at companies who tell me the exact details of how their job is? Also I don't consider those kind of things to take time away from your life like you're describing because people do them in their work hours. You go to conventions and such during your work hours. You're not spending your Sunday doing that You're 23 as well hypocrite. It boggles my mind why you have trouble dating.
Leigh 87 Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 For me personally, despite being in a middle class family, with upper class relatives, combined with working class bit motivated other half of the family.... I went to a VERY expensive private girls school, as well as VERY espensive international schools when I was living overseas. ...The snobbery and elitism around me did not make me give a cr@p about studying! Even though everyone around me went to college and have graduated by now, and are all in sucessfull careers. LOL! I dropped out of school, and had no idea what I wanted to do with my life. I had to sit around for a few years doing NOTHING, before it finally hit me that I love life, and want to make the most out of it. And find a meaningfull career that I am passionate about, even if it does not earn me good money! ..I am going to college because, after carefull consideration, I simply want to better educate myself. It also happens that I am really passionate about social work and volenteerism. There is normally a degree that caters for your interest! That a career canselor can adivse you on, in terms of emplorment options in the future.... I was not really interested in the non college degree options that were presented to me. This is a personal decision though, and many others wil prefer being a child care worker, or learning how to run their own business.
miss_jaclynrae Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 You're a 23 year old girl with no clue what you're talking about. How are you going to teach me about sales when I have friends who are actual sales executives at companies who tell me the exact details of how their job is? Also I don't consider those kind of things to take time away from your life like you're describing because people do them in their work hours. You go to conventions and such during your work hours. You're not spending your Sunday doing that I'm actually 24 And my knowledge is based on talking to people who are vice president of sales and regional director of sales, etc... at various companies. A lot more credible than a girl working at carmax Degrade me all you want but I am not the one pretending to be someone I am not. Please feel free to say what you want as soon as you start proving you do what you say you do. You STILL didn't answer my question or provide any strong evidence. And yet you refer to me as a discreditable girl who works at carmax.
miss_jaclynrae Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 I didn't degrade you at all. I think you're a lovely person and obviously very beautiful I just can't take you seriously when you're talking to me about business and sales when my views are based on talking to close friends who are multimillionaires having worked 15-20 years in sales...and your views are based on what exactly? avoiding my questions still... if anyone wasn't convinced you are a phony, they should be now. 1
Leigh 87 Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 My great uncle was a very successfull sales man, and made millions... It is rare though! If your wired that way then you should go for it! However, if it is not your thing, it is best to follow a path that is mroe alligned with your natural abilities. I am getting my degree because it is the career path I want more than any other career.... I would definately try sales if it was for me.
Leigh 87 Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 did he just have a go at you for working in retail?
miss_jaclynrae Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 Yea sales ain't for everybody. I work in it myself and it's very exhilarating when you can make 1500 dollars in 1 day but when you go 9 days without really making much (except your salary), it can be utterly maddening This is an easy test for if you want to work in sales or not - would you rather have a job that's all salary or all commission, if you say all commission (because you love being in command of your potential income). You should try sales What kind of sales? Why are you ignoring my question? I wish more people could see this, you are totally just ignoring every question I have thrown at you!
miss_jaclynrae Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 did he just have a go at you for working in retail? He is just trying to cover the fact that he is a fake.
Pyro Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 What kind of sales? Why are you ignoring my question? I wish more people could see this, you are totally just ignoring every question I have thrown at you! You are wasting your time. He cherry picks the questions that he wants to answer.
phineas Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 The last time I heard the word socioeconomic I was watching monthy pythons holy grail.
Leigh 87 Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 Yea sales ain't for everybody. I work in it myself and it's very exhilarating when you can make 1500 dollars in 1 day but when you go 9 days without really making much (except your salary), it can be utterly maddening This is an easy test for if you want to work in sales or not - would you rather have a job that's all salary or all commission, if you say all commission (because you love being in command of your potential income). You should try sales Besides the fact I am the most interested in social work and volenteerism, the reasons why a college degree suits my personality and natural abilities is: - I need a few years of structured educated, that tells me what to do: I do the work, and I pass. - Social work specifically trains me to do a job that has plenty of vacancies. - I like the security of knowinf that I am doing a degree that I simply have to follow, and it will VERY likely lead to full time employment. ...I am a person who wants to be told what to do, in order to succeed, for the most part. Of course I need to rely on an pleasant personality, networking, and using my own initiative to create career longevity; but I like that my degree teaches me most of the work at hand, and I simply have to have a nice personality and work hard, in order to succeed. ..Sales and business related jobs without a degree, requires you to take the matter into your own hands more! There is not as much formal instruction, and you have to teach yourself in the relevant areas. I like that in college, I have people who have decided what I need to lean for me.
Leigh 87 Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 He is just trying to cover the fact that he is a fake. What is it with fakes here? There was this other guy that everyone thinks is a fake too! cannot get a lay, and all of a sudden is cheating on hot chicks with... well, other hot chicks!
Necris Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 For myself the girl I am currently interested in and I'm going to go on a date with on Saturday seems to be wealthy. At least that's what's my intuition is telling me. My intuition is usually never wrong (sounds weird for a guy to say this, but for me if the little voice in my head says something, its usually true 9 times out of 10), but why would I be thinking this? Its not like I see her in a Bentley (i really don't know what she drives), though she does wear nice clothing and has designer handbags, but that's not too out of the ordinary. What I don't get is why am I caring about this in the first place?
kaylan Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 i'd be careful not to fund a moocher, men probably feel the same about women, just dating is ok but moving in and paying for all the bills i'd never do again, i wouldn't recommend it Gotta agree. At my age of 26, if a girl is around my age, she either better be in school, done with a degree already, or if shes high school educated, have something shes already successful at. So far Ive noticed that the bulk of the high school educated gals who havent gone to college, usually have dead end jobs and arent doing anything with their lives, or their looking for a guy wholl be the bread winner while they stay home (or work part time) and tend to the kids. Sorry, thats not for me. I need a lady whos smart, has bigger goals than solely being a mom, is ambitious, and independent. Plenty of guys are cool with the women I described in the last paragraph...so Im no loss to those girls. 1
TaurusTerp Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 I sell cars guys and I make bank because I crack people left and right last month, my average deal was 2,000 dollars profit Dude, everyone can smell your BS through the internet. It's really sad. And there's no need for it.
Pyro Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 I sell cars guys and I make bank because I crack people left and right last month, my average deal was 2,000 dollars profit Crack people?:lmao::lmao: That is almost as bad as you bragging on here about how you grill a steak.
Eggplant Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 I just ended a year-long relationship with the man I thought I wanted to marry. He was 34 and had an 8th grade education. I'm 25 and about to get a masters in engineering. He was extremely bright. We spent all our time talking, talking, talking. He worked 90+ hours a week doing physical labor. His work ethic impressed me. He paid for our dates and treated me well. I don't think he was interested in my money. I never gave him anything. I accepted what he offered me. I was mad for him. He didn't seem intimidated by my higher education, although he wanted me to be a stay-at-home mom for some period if we stayed together.
Untouchable_Fire Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 Is it possible to match up with someone who is on a different plain than you? Men can go down the socio-economic ladder much easier than women. Really? Please tell me whether he was in independent sales and tell me the name of these gps devices and the companies he sells them too. I can tell you right now that at the beginning of his career he had NO social life, there is no way any sales person goes straight into sales and makes thousands of dollars while still only working 40-50 hours a week. I am in car sales and in a month where I made 5000 I was at work almost every day bell to bell and was also on the phone quite a bit with customers outside of work as well. I call bull****. Any sales requires a customer base, and unless you get lucky, or work your ass off to build it... you can bet your bottom dollar you won't have any personal time for a while. So please, tell me, what do YOU do for work. Because I smell bull. I sell medical devices in ASC and Acute Care settings. Plenty of guys over 40 in my field have no degree. However, nearly everyone under 40 like me... has a degree in something. Most of us average 120-250k.... which is a wide range, but it really depends on what you sell and to what market. You don't really have a grasp of this yet because you have just been trapped at the bottom in retail, but as you move up the ladder the work decreases. Some weeks I work 60 hours, but other weeks its like 32... and the work itself is really easy. People don't get paid for work... we get paid for skills and responsibility.
StanMusial Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 Men can go down the socio-economic ladder much easier than women. I sell medical devices in ASC and Acute Care settings. Plenty of guys over 40 in my field have no degree. However, nearly everyone under 40 like me... has a degree in something. Most of us average 120-250k.... which is a wide range, but it really depends on what you sell and to what market. You don't really have a grasp of this yet because you have just been trapped at the bottom in retail, but as you move up the ladder the work decreases. Some weeks I work 60 hours, but other weeks its like 32... and the work itself is really easy. People don't get paid for work... we get paid for skills and responsibility. Employers want a college degree even for most sales jobs these days. Especially if it is a more involved or technical product. If you have a good track record or connections you can get by though.
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