Reserved men and their formerly "wild" girlfriends

January 30, 2013

Do you honestly think that as a man, you would want to be "last"? Is there anything in life where being "last" is great? Was being picked last for the kickball team in elementary school great? Was it a good thing to be one of the last people to head out to Sutter's Mill during the California Gold Rush? Is it awesome to come last in a marathon? A resounding NO for all of the above. Why do you think you'd feel good being the "last" in a long line of men?

Funny, what I'm looking for is always in the last place I look.

January 30, 2013

Most men do not want to be in a long-term relationship with a woman who was affectionately referred to as the town bicycle. Most men do not want to be in a long-term relationship with a woman who got gang-banged by five fraternity members during her tenure in college. Female promiscuity now has zero restraints. The average woman now has experienced more partners and more sexual variety than the average male would ever see in three lifetimes. It is justified by off-loading insecurity onto the man for his inability to deal with her past sexual dalliances. If a man has difficulty stomaching a woman's past, he is seen as insecure and the discussion is over. There is no other meaning, he simply has to "get over it". It's not her fault that she slutted around. Yeah, "get over it" and marry that slut, boy.

Do you honestly think that as a man, you would want to be "last"? Is there anything in life where being "last" is great? Was being picked last for the kickball team in elementary school great? Was it a good thing to be one of the last people to head out to Sutter's Mill during the California Gold Rush? Is it awesome to come last in a marathon? A resounding NO for all of the above. Why do you think you'd feel good being the "last" in a long line of men?

The more partners a woman has had, the greater the chance that you will simply not measure up sexually. She has had a guy who was more muscular than you. A guy who had a bigger dick than you. A guy who was taller than you. A guy who was more athletic than you. A guy who was more dominant than you. A guy who pushed more of her buttons than you. Do you honestly think that the average beta herb computer programmer who gets betrothed to one of these chicks will stand a chance? The same guy who was slaving away his 20s in the confines of a server room while she was out having blackout party nights before they met? Do you honestly think that this is a congruous pairing? The answer again, is a resounding NO.

Rubbing salt into the wound even more is the woman that makes the man wait for sex in a relationship when she gladly gave it up to an alpha male in Cancun a few years prior because she's "not that type of girl anymore". Then there is the tendency to lie about it all and say that you somehow forgot about a large chunk of partners. These chicks are like the piece of bread on the top of the packet that everyone touches but nobody wants. I know a few of these types of girls. I honestly feel sorry for the sap that gets married to them...

Anyway, the problem is when chicks lie, guys get mad. Might as well get it out there so the guy can move on if he's not comfortable with the number.

Also, "conservative" is a huge buzzword in this thread. People seem to toss around the word not knowing what it means. Religiously conservative? Politically conservative? Socially conservative? Because neither of those have much bearing on someone's ability in bed.......

As for the guys who want to be with the reformed sluts, that's on you but there are many men who will pass. Don't make the men that will pass seem like lesser men because they don't want to be with the first slice of bread on the loaf.

Wow. This might be the most insecure post I've read on LS.

January 30, 2013

Here comes the slut shaming

Coming "last" is not my concern when looking for a woman to be with - it's not a competition. Neither is "measuring" up to other men - I'm confident enough that I stand out as a man in my own right. That's not to say I'm actively looking for promiscuous girls to be with, but I'm not exactly looking for virgins either. Compatibility is important - and as long as we're having the wild sex, and I enjoy being with her and she enjoys being with me, then however many guys she f*cked really does not matter.

If guys don't want to date a certain kind of girl, that's OK. What I don't like is the over-the-top disrespect of those girls really. I also don't like the disrespect of the guys who don't care and would date them either - I know guys who have gotten with promiscuous girls. Apart from one couple, the rest are all happy. I have no disrespect for them at all.

January 30, 2013

Most men do not want to be in a long-term relationship with a woman who was affectionately referred to as the town bicycle. Most men do not want to be in a long-term relationship with a woman who got gang-banged by five fraternity members during her tenure in college. Female promiscuity now has zero restraints. The average woman now has experienced more partners and more sexual variety than the average male would ever see in three lifetimes. It is justified by off-loading insecurity onto the man for his inability to deal with her past sexual dalliances. If a man has difficulty stomaching a woman's past, he is seen as insecure and the discussion is over. There is no other meaning, he simply has to "get over it". It's not her fault that she slutted around. Yeah, "get over it" and marry that slut, boy.

Do you honestly think that as a man, you would want to be "last"? Is there anything in life where being "last" is great? Was being picked last for the kickball team in elementary school great? Was it a good thing to be one of the last people to head out to Sutter's Mill during the California Gold Rush? Is it awesome to come last in a marathon? A resounding NO for all of the above. Why do you think you'd feel good being the "last" in a long line of men?

The more partners a woman has had, the greater the chance that you will simply not measure up sexually. She has had a guy who was more muscular than you. A guy who had a bigger dick than you. A guy who was taller than you. A guy who was more athletic than you. A guy who was more dominant than you. A guy who pushed more of her buttons than you. Do you honestly think that the average beta herb computer programmer who gets betrothed to one of these chicks will stand a chance? The same guy who was slaving away his 20s in the confines of a server room while she was out having blackout party nights before they met? Do you honestly think that this is a congruous pairing? The answer again, is a resounding NO.

Rubbing salt into the wound even more is the woman that makes the man wait for sex in a relationship when she gladly gave it up to an alpha male in Cancun a few years prior because she's "not that type of girl anymore". Then there is the tendency to lie about it all and say that you somehow forgot about a large chunk of partners. These chicks are like the piece of bread on the top of the packet that everyone touches but nobody wants. I know a few of these types of girls. I honestly feel sorry for the sap that gets married to them...

Anyway, the problem is when chicks lie, guys get mad. Might as well get it out there so the guy can move on if he's not comfortable with the number.

Also, "conservative" is a huge buzzword in this thread. People seem to toss around the word not knowing what it means. Religiously conservative? Politically conservative? Socially conservative? Because neither of those have much bearing on someone's ability in bed.......

As for the guys who want to be with the reformed sluts, that's on you but there are many men who will pass. Don't make the men that will pass seem like lesser men because they don't want to be with the first slice of bread on the loaf.

I will tell you what conservative means to me. Conservatism is based in freedom. In America, that means: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. These virtues were endowed by our Creator and cannot be annulled by any human authority. That means if a woman that was the "town bicycle" (BTW that's a very disgusting way to label a fellow human; you don't know that person's story) and she decides to pick herself up and make a new life (American dream) she has full freedom from God to do that.

You, a mere human, have no right to judge her and hamper her life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness. Slandering and casting stones is the opposite of freedom and liberty, it is bondage and slavery. Stop trying to enslave people with this judgmental vitriol "game" system. And the real sad part is this methodology has your mind enslaved to hate.

Conservatism extends into Christianity, mainly for philosophical reasons. I won't go into them much here, but Paul the Apostle spoke about being free to do anything, but refusal to be mastered by desires. Its freedom of self-restraint. A concept beyond a philosophy rooted in "gaming" women. Put down that trash PUA philosophy and pick up the bible if you want to improve yourself. When you live your life as someone that gets satisfaction judging and condemning, it shows you have no love in your heart.

"A woman in that town who lived a sinful life learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee’s house, so she came there with an alabaster jar of perfume. As she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them. When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is—that she is a sinner.” Jesus answered him, “Simon, I have something to tell you.”“Tell me, teacher,” he said. “Two people owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he forgave the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?” Simon replied, “I suppose the one who had the bigger debt forgiven.” You have judged correctly,” Jesus said. When he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—as her great love has shown. But whoever has been forgiven little loves little.”

January 30, 2013

Nope. Sluts aren't for marrying.

Not talking about that.

I'm talking about your fear of not being the biggest or the best based on how many partners they've had.

It's a total defeatist attitude.

You want the bar lowered, instead of you rising up to meet it.

January 30, 2013

These walls of text.

I don't even.

January 30, 2013

Being conservative has nothing to do with Christianity. It's only been the dumb**** Republicans who have connected conservatism to Christianity. As far as freedom goes, I have the right to say whatever I want. If someone gets offended by what I have to say, then that's too damn bad. I have no filter. This country is in the ****ing toilet because of political-correctness.

"Pick up a Bible and improve yourself". What is this. I've read the Bible many, many times and I have found it to be full of trite "proverbs" and senseless violence. Your Judeo-Christian philosophy is just about as trash as mine. A relic of an old era. An outdated book. A source and the justification of thousands of years of enslavement, dehumanization, misery, depravity, and violence. Compared to my "game" philosophy (which isn't even a philosophy of mine) which is based on attracting chicks. It's quite clear to me which "philosophy" is ****ing trash.

For a philosophy based merely on "attracting chicks" it seems to be deeply important. I see nothing positive from this "game" worldview, except hateful language, forcing people to be slaves to their past, snake-like tactics for manipulating women into sex, and placing yourself in a position of higher moral standing than the women you lambaste. If that is just a method for "attracting chicks" you could have fooled me.

Study the foundations of America. It's all based on Judeo-Christian values. Off-topic, but that is fine if you want to stay enslaved to hatred. It doesn't offend me, but I think it is clearly poisonous and a bad framework to base reality on. I can tell you have much pain in your life. For the sake of your life, I would recommend wallowing in the hate yourself instead of trying to drag others into it with you.

January 30, 2013

If guys don't want to date a certain kind of girl, that's OK. What I don't like is the over-the-top disrespect of those girls really. I also don't like the disrespect of the guys who don't care and would date them either - I know guys who have gotten with promiscuous girls. Apart from one couple, the rest are all happy. I have no disrespect for them at all.

I think it comes down to a difference in values. Many men do feel that a high number of sex partners, or indiscriminate casual sex devalues a woman. Many men don't mind. Although I feel it's wrong to shame someone or call them names, I feel we all have the right to our own personal judgements, even when I disagree. I don't like being judged, but sometimes I am. Even for things that aren't fair.

It could be insecurity and a fear of measuring up, it could be values instilled by his upbringing, it could be that he's a controlling a5shole, it could be just wanting someone with an experience level similar to his own. If a man feels that certain women are beneath him, he will feel that the men that choose these women are beneath him, as well. He may even feel sorry for them. It's a sense of superiority. He feels he is a class above, similar to they way some people feel about addicts. They may feel superior to them, see them as weak, and have pity on their partners. The men with these values feel similar.

This is why I don't think women should lie or withhold the info...these men will look down on them after the truth is revealed. It will result in pain on both sides if it comes out down the line, the man will feel betrayed, the woman judged. Disclosing the information early on will weed out the men who won't be accepting of them, which is beneficial to her to the long run.

January 30, 2013

d'argennes,

What's your definition of a slut?

January 30, 2013

It's a total defeatist attitude.

You want the bar lowered, instead of you rising up to meet it.

It's also a super beta thing. I find it really interesting, that someone that goes on and on and on about being beta show significant signs of being it.

January 30, 2013

Deal breaker for me if that happened.

Not because I'm insecure, but because I WANT a wild and crazy and sexually uninhibited woman.

I have no problem with wild women. Hell...it's a requirement of mine that she be semi nuts.

Hell yeah.

If a woman tells me about some crazy things she used to do then says "I don't do that any more" i'd be like NEXT!!!

Yeah, i'm 41 so like some things you just shouldn't do at our age you used to do when younger.

But yo, my weight bench is not just for lifting.

And me, her, sundress, bottle of wine on my back porch on a hot summer night?

Why go inside?

Just lean her over the railing, lift up the dress, push them panties aside and..... well you get the idea.

A woman who isn't turned on by that isn't the right woman for me.

January 30, 2013

Haha... As if. It's called being smart' date=' breh. [/quote']

don't worry, the more you post the more your own words give your true personality away.

January 30, 2013

It's also a super beta thing. I find it really interesting, that someone that goes on and on and on about being beta show significant signs of being it.

More like Omega.

January 30, 2013

Beginning to think I should just do away with regular insults and call anyone I disagree with a beta instead.

January 30, 2013

I am a formerly wild girl. I'm now married to a conservative man. I didn't change for him. I matured, and changed. He accepts my past with no qualms. He's very secure, and he loves me.

January 30, 2013

Have any of you googled "wild and crazy"?

January 30, 2013

I don't want to know anything about a woman's history (so long as she affords me the same courtesy), if she told me however it might upset me then..

But, I do have to agree with some of these guys: if a girl was willing to do certain things with past partners that she won't do with you that's kind of a red flag and a bit disconcerting. I can see how some people might be offended by that....

January 30, 2013

Derp, breh.

Doesn't mean I'm a ****ing beta though.

Alpha, beta...whatever.

What is obvious is that you're miserable and unhappy. The only reason you're here is because you want others to join in on your pity party.

January 30, 2013

What is obvious is that you're miserable and unhappy. The only reason you're here is because you want others to join in on your pity party.

They say misery loves company!

January 30, 2013

I don't want to know anything about a woman's history (so long as she affords me the same courtesy), if she told me however it might upset me then..

But, I do have to agree with some of these guys: if a girl was willing to do certain things with past partners that she won't do with you that's kind of a red flag and a bit disconcerting. I can see how some people might be offended by that....

The only thing I want to know, actually the only thing I NEED to know is if she hooked up with someone I actually know (providing she knew I knew him)

I do not need to be blind-sided by a friend of a friend's recount of his carnal knowledge of my GF in front of a group of people.

It's happened once to me & I've seen it more than a few times happen to friends also.

That situation NEVER ends well for all parties involved.

Tell me, Then when the jerk tries to play big man i'm ready with a cocktail weenie or 2 pump-chump joke to throw back at him.

January 30, 2013

So no, it's not about me being a "beta" or an "omega". All of the name calling is just a red herring that diverts away from the issue at hand.

You call women who like to have sex "sluts." I call guys who are pathetic, pedantic, insecure drones "omega." Fair enough, right?

In life, there are simply girls you **** and girls you marry.

And for some, there are neither. The omega guys, mostly.

January 30, 2013

In life, there are simply girls you **** and girls you marry. That's it. Each girl makes her own bed and lies in it and its up to her to decide which one of those women she'd like to be. As I said before, there's no point in investing in a chick who simply couldn't invest in herself.

What a sad sad view of the world you have!

January 30, 2013

I don't see what's so offensive about the words "slut", "beta", "virgin", etc. They are just words to describe factual things. It's like being offended if someone tells you your eyes are blue or your hair is red, or your car is yellow.

January 30, 2013

I don't see what's so offensive about the words "slut", "beta", "virgin", etc. They are just words to describe factual things. It's like being offended if someone tells you your eyes are blue or your hair is red, or your car is yellow.

Do you honestly not see how the word "slut" is used in attempts to shame women who are sexually active? "Slut" is a word filled with negative judgement. It is not a factual thing like having blue eyes or, in fact, virginity is.

"Beta" is only an insult among the population of boys who live on the Internet digesting fake pop psychology that's supposed to be helping them master their terror and / or hatred of women. For the rest of us, it usually refers to a kind of fish, old fashioned VCR, or a letter in the Greek alphabet.

January 30, 2013

Do you honestly not see how the word "slut" is used in attempts to shame women who are sexually active? "Slut" is a word filled with negative judgement. It is not a factual thing like having blue eyes or, in fact, virginity is.

"Beta" is only an insult among the population of boys who live on the Internet digesting fake pop psychology that's supposed to be helping them master their terror and / or hatred of women. For the rest of us, it usually refers to a kind of fish, old fashioned VCR, or a letter in the Greek alphabet.

Eh, there are real things such as beta vs alpha vs omega males. I mean that's not "pop psychology", evolutionary biology and psychology are very real disciplines that have a lot to say about human interaction and dating/mating behavior. So yes, "beta" is a descriptive word to describe a certain type of man (I suppose woman too, but that's not the typical context for the word).

A "slut" to me is someone (man or woman) who has a gratuitous amount of sexual partners or someone who has minimal to no standards for who they will sleep with. That to me is "slutty" behavior. Is it a term "filled with judgement"? I don't know, maybe. Maybe not. But who cares? If someone is ok with how they've handled themselves and ok with their own past sexual history, who cares what anyone else thinks? Some will judge, some won't. Oh well, get over it. If that's sexist of me to say, well then, color me sexist. I'd say the same thing to man though for what it's worth.

For someone allegedly self-assured, you seem to put a lot of weight in the judgements and thoughts of others...

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