Mme. Chaucer Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 YOUR lack of understanding of men who have NEVER been made to feel attractive is just puzzling. I haven't expressed my understanding, or lack thereof, of men who have never "been made to feel attractive." I have only been posting about the folly of saying women have it easier when you don't know what you're talking about. Link to post Share on other sites
fortyninethousand322 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I haven't expressed my understanding, or lack thereof, of men who have never "been made to feel attractive." I have only been posting about the folly of saying women have it easier when you don't know what you're talking about. I think it's an indisputable fact that the average woman has it easier than someone like SD... Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Said the woman who has never had to hunt. You have no idea how difficult it is for some men. I don't care. You saying that women enjoyed a relationship because a man did "all the work" because he APPROACHED her is ridiculous. Certainly in some relationships a man actually does ALL the work, but asking someone out on a date does not qualify. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I think it's an indisputable fact that the average woman has it easier than someone like SD... A woman with a personality like that would have exactly the same difficulties, though. Even if some guys wanted to screw her. Link to post Share on other sites
TheZebra Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I think the difference is that men can be both cool and nerdy. I have a lot of male friends who are "cool" and social but enjoy videogames, comic books and obscure music. Most women don't fall into that category. if they're good looking, they usually have very vapid interests and if they're nerdy, then they're not usually good looking What?! I play TCGs. You know, like Magic. ALL of the guys I play with I would never date. Most are overweight, most don't shower, and they are anything but "cool". The few girls that are in our group are all in good shape and we all can carry on conversations about more than whether Han shot first, Picard vs Kirk, or what medieval weaponry works better, maces or halberdiers. We also dress in more than an XXXL t-shirt, birkenstocks, and jeans that haven't been washed since Bush was in office. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't understand how you can say women don't have it easier when men are burdened with all the work and all the rejection of the mating game? As well as the fact that women have to face much lower standards and expectations The MATING game? Does that not include giving birth to children? That's easier than asking someone out on a date? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't care. You saying that women enjoyed a relationship because a man did "all the work" because he APPROACHED her is ridiculous. Certainly in some relationships a man actually does ALL the work, but asking someone out on a date does not qualify. I don't care. Link to post Share on other sites
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 I haven't expressed my understanding, or lack thereof, of men who have never "been made to feel attractive." I have only been posting about the folly of saying women have it easier when you don't know what you're talking about. Well. That's what I'm talking about. That's why I started the thread. That's why all the guys here whine. Because they can't get attractive women who find them attractive. Or any woman who finds them attractive. Do you know how common that is for men? Do you know how many guys I know just like that? Who gives a sh@t who has it easier? I only say women have it easier to egg guys on so that they won't totally give up and feel completely unattractive. Now, do you understand? The next woman who comes on here and says she has never been made to feel attractive by a man, I'll take her under my flag this instant. Link to post Share on other sites
fortyninethousand322 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 A woman with a personality like that would have exactly the same difficulties, though. Even if some guys wanted to screw her. Lots of people have bad personalities and yet still get dates. There's something biological to it that explains his difficulties. I'd say the average man has it a lot easier than SD too. Evolutionary biology explains a lot more about social relationships these days than common sense analysis does. Some people are just not chosen by nature to reproduce. Link to post Share on other sites
Lonely Ronin Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't care. nevermind....... Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I will no longer be replying to any posts from Mme. Chaucer or Lonely Ronin from now on. (Yes I saw your original post) Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I read one of your previous posts where you said you were pretty shy when you were younger. How would it have felt if you were a man and were perma-single because of your shyness regardless of any positive traits you may have? (which is what would have happened) When I was young and shy, I got together with a very shy boy. We were in a class together, we loved the same art and writers and became close. That really happened and I'm sure it's not the only time. Link to post Share on other sites
miss_jaclynrae Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 20 bucks says you've never approached a man in your lifetime so you have no clue how difficult it is to find somebody who might be interested in you, build rapport and make her want to want to go out on a date with you I always LOL when women talk about dating and rejection as if it's nothing to worry about at all...meanwhile, they avoid rejection and avoid asking men out like the bubonic plague Not meeeeee. I take my own advice as well. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I simply don't agree that men have it harder in dating. Some men have a terrible time and others rock it. Same goes for the girls. Link to post Share on other sites
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 That doesn't mean that one gender is happier, not by a long shot. I'm sure there are super gorgeous high status wealthy women out there who feel lonely and miserable and I don't think their suffering is any less than my suffering but we gotta call a spade a spade here. It may very well may be that a super gorgeous model is just as lonely and miserable as a dwarf/midget man (though unlikely). But it's not her place to say it. That's really unfair and insensitive. That's why it pisses me off when I see it here. There's guys and gals who have had absolutely no trouble attracting others since like junior high school based on their pure physical looks, and they think they have it just as hard as a guy who is 30 and has never had a GF. Amazing. Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Come on, you're smarter than this Yeah Chaucer. Logic, do you know how it works? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 Well then none of us have any right to complain about anything...How much better off are we than the people in Africa or Brazil suffering in extreme poverty? I would never say I had it as bad as those people when it came to $, food, or shelter. I give to charity and volunteer because I do have it good. But for some reason, when it comes to love, people who have a revolving door of partners and relationships suffer as much pain as 30 year old virgins. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 OH The hard work! So hard to go talk to that girl over there. I used to call it work too - till I started to realize how stupid I sounded. The trick is to tell yourslef that its normal. Not hared at all. Repeat it constantly in your head. Link to post Share on other sites
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 Absolutely they do. Suffering and loneliness is NOT relative. How do people not understand this? I'm not sure which point you're arguing, but let's just say it wouldn't be fair for me to go to the slums of Dharavi and tell the poor kids there who live on $1 a week that I have it just as bad as them because of relative suffering. Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 OH The hard work! So hard to go talk to that girl over there. I used to call it work too - till I started to realize how stupid I sounded. The trick is to tell yourslef that its normal. Not hared at all. Repeat it constantly in your head. 1. Go talk to that girl over there. Try to impress her, try to get a date/number. If successful proceed to step 2. If not repeat step 1 2. Try to make plans with the girl. If successful proceed to step 3. If not go back to step 1. 3. Go on a date. Try not to get placed on the friend zone. Make plans for another outing. If successful proceed to step 4. If not go back to step 1. 4. Hell if I know. Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Step 1)Sit around and wait for a man to do everything You have that exact same thing at least 10 times now today. Give it a rest Brahma. Yes men do seek women more so than the other way around. Women still need to look good and to have interesting things to discuss in order to get men to want to date them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 1. Go talk to that girl over there. Try to impress her, try to get a date/number. If successful proceed to step 2. If not repeat step 1 2. Try to make plans with the girl. If successful proceed to step 3. If not go back to step 1. 3. Go on a date. Try not to get placed on the friend zone. Make plans for another outing. If successful proceed to step 4. If not go back to step 1. 4. Hell if I know. Point still stands. Its only hard if you tell yourself its such work. I make it so that its fun, even when I get rejected. Its a recreational activity now. Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Point still stands. Its only hard if you tell yourself its such work. I make it so that its fun, even when I get rejected. Its a recreational activity now. It's great that you're able to make it fun. I'm still at the point where I'm trying to avoid having my soul crushed. Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 And men don't have to look good or have to have interesting things to say? More like men have to be 50 times more interesting because they are the ones who are usually expected to carry the conversation. If it goes nowhere, it's all the man's fault for not being interesting/charismatic enough I never said that. YOU said that women don't do anything. I was correcting your words. No one wants someone who has to 'dominate' (as you would say) the conversation. It should be give and take. Both sides are expected to be interesting. I sure as heck wouldn't be interested in a girl who has very little or nothing to keep a conversation going. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 It's great that you're able to make it fun. I'm still at the point where I'm trying to avoid having my soul crushed. He's right though. The reason you are bitter and frustrated, or the main reason at least, is because you took it too seriously in first place. If you were just lighthearted about it and went from woman to woman, never committing until she did, you'd be in a much better spot. I could say the same for myself. I have no idea why nobody else told me this stuff. Link to post Share on other sites
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