somedude81 Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 That's because you are all self sabotaging statistical outliers. Please I'm not self-sabotaging myself at all.
TheGuard13 Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 It’s no accident that “fairy tale” is the phrasepeople use, and that fairy tales often involve handsome princes and beautifulprincesses. Power is a tangible idea, but a lot of the “power”that people perceive in dating, and even in relationships, is of their own making. Its all about your perception of your situation. Unless its physical in nature, someone cannot really have true powerover you unless you allow them to on some level. If a girl flat out says that she wants a guy to have “game”…sheactually means "games". Which basically just means “drama”. She wants drama. I'd blame soap operas and reality TV, but...it is what it is. Proceed accordingly. 1
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Originally Posted by Mme. Chaucer Approaching romantic and / or sexual relationships as a power struggle is a losing proposition. Ignoring the fact that all relationships have a power dynamic is stupid. But I didn't say that. Every interaction has power dynamics, and they are often in a state of flux. In a long term relationship, they can shift back and forth. Acknowledging that is not the same as approaching relationships as a power struggle. I stand by my statement - that's a losing proposition. 2
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 All that's required to get laid as a woman is right there when you're born, between your legs. So what? I guess we don't all put such a premium on "getting laid" as you and your cronies around here do. We can also squeeze babies out of what's between our legs. That might be even more impressive than the ability to get laid. 1
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 The average male does have a higher sense of entitlement and narcissism that the average male of previous generations. What I disagree with is your assertion that boys and girls are socialized similarly. Boys and girls will always follow divergent paths of socialization. Girls are constantly inundated and doted upon with praises on their beauty even if they only look "average". These girls then have gotten an overinflated ego from being told all their life that they're "special" just because many orbiters want to get into their pants. The average male receives no such praise. Go look on any social networking site such as Twitter. The average girl has more male followers than visa versa. Game is a natural response to girls feeling entitled to top tier males. You are so confused. Most of my peers (the parents of your generation) tried to make ALL their children feel like special snowflakes, not just girls. It was the typical parenting style of educated people. Guys like YOU who are obsessed with the notion of "game" to get in girls' pants are the ones who contribute to the very things you're incessantly complaining about. Why don't you just get on with your life and try to treat girls like your fellow human beings? Which they are? You will find some that you actually like, I imagine. Do you realize that all this PUA crap you spout non-stop is just a bunch of snake oil cooked up by some old, rank, silly men to gain fame, attention and $$? How can you be such a follower? 1
phineas Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 I play the game. I have no choice. Women may hold the cards, however, I reserve the right to fold my hand & go to another table at any point in time or, play multiple tables at once & sandbag all of them at the same time. and why not? They are doing the same thing.
chex Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 I play the game. I have no choice. Women may hold the cards, however, I reserve the right to fold my hand & go to another table at any point in time or, play multiple tables at once & sandbag all of them at the same time. and why not? They are doing the same thing. Or you could just be in relationships with people who you're attracted to, who are attracted to you. Rather than putting on this bluff that will be shown eventually and reveal the man behind it, the man who she didn't fall for. 1
Lonely Ronin Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Please I'm not self-sabotaging myself at all. Your 10,000+ posts say otherwise. You don't approach women that often, You won't approach if you think you have competition (the fb girl), and when you do approach you expect failure. If you don't think that's self-sabotaging, I think you need to spend some time researching the topic.
GoodOnPaper Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Or you could just be in relationships with people who you're attracted to, who are attracted to you. Rather than putting on this bluff that will be shown eventually and reveal the man behind it, the man who she didn't fall for. Then why is the bluff so alluring to women?
JuneJulySeptember Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Correct me if wrong but only rich males and/or male models have choice to some degree in who the breed with. The average guy has to play by female rules of game. Game is a method of upping your appeal towards women. Also game aka PUA is still giving women what THEY desire NOT what YOU DESIRE. I have to dress, smell, think and respond using Alpha traits the female desires. My question is this. If men refuse to play the relationship game which is controlled by women will they always be alone? BTW realizing how women function has made me extremely depressed. Seeing the ultimate reality of women after studying MGTOW, Heartiste and some of RooshV's info is pushing me into Nihilism. It's become a product females desire or face being invisible and unattractive forever. What's the point anymore? Maybe it's best to just ghost staying single enjoying life. You're not correct. But close. It's not all females. But very, very many. So for all intents and purposes, yes, you have to play the game.
JuneJulySeptember Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Your 10,000+ posts say otherwise. You don't approach women that often, You won't approach if you think you have competition (the fb girl), and when you do approach you expect failure. If you don't think that's self-sabotaging, I think you need to spend some time researching the topic. Expecting failure is being realistic. If somedude81 approaches a woman who has EXACTLY what he has in everything: looks, success, background, and height, he will get rejected 90% of the time. Every time I have succeeded in landing a woman, I went in fully expecting to get rejected.
Lonely Ronin Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Expecting failure is being realistic. If somedude81 approaches a woman who has EXACTLY what he has in everything: looks, success, background, and height, he will get rejected 90% of the time. Every time I have succeeded in landing a woman, I went in fully expecting to get rejected. If a guy is getting rejected 90% of the time, he is doing it wrong. He probably comes off as desperate or aggressive as soon as he opens his mouth. another possibility is either he can't read or ignores signs of disinterest.
somedude81 Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Your 10,000+ posts say otherwise. You don't approach women that often, You won't approach if you think you have competition (the fb girl), and when you do approach you expect failure. If you don't think that's self-sabotaging, I think you need to spend some time researching the topic. Expecting failure isn't self-sabotage. It's being realistic. If I do feel that I have somewhat of a chance I will make the approach. You're right that I don't like direct competition with men over women. If a girl is already talking to a guy, I will not go up to them and try to get her attention/freeze him out. That's being a douche. If a guy is getting rejected 90% of the time, he is doing it wrong. He probably comes off as desperate or aggressive as soon as he opens his mouth. another possibility is either he can't read or ignores signs of disinterest.Or he can't read signs of interest. Which means he isn't asking out the right girls.
Lonely Ronin Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 You're right that I don't like direct competition with men over women. If a girl is already talking to a guy, I will not go up to them and try to get her attention/freeze him out. That's being a douche. That's not what happened with the FB girl, You got all bent out of shape, because a bunch of guys liked or commented on a picture she posted. Or he can't read signs of interest. Which means he isn't asking out the right girls. It doesn't matter what book you pick up, if you can't read it's going to be a shi*y experience. Once you learn to read, the act of reading is a lot more enjoyable.
somedude81 Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 That's not what happened with the FB girl, No, it's exactly why I didn't ask her out in class. She was always talking to a couple of guys and every class she walked out with one guy. If that dude wasn't in the class, I would have asked her out, guaranteed. The only chance I had to talk to her, just me and her, was when we were dancing and thanks to the rotations, it wasn't for that long. She was also late to every class so I couldn't talk to her before class started either. It doesn't matter what book you pick up, if you can't read it's going to be a shi*y experience. Once you learn to read, the act of reading is a lot more enjoyable. So you're agreeing with me.
HitMeNow Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 OP Im gonna add my 2 cents. - There is 2 things that all people want. Happiness and intimacy(which IMO is a major factor of happiness). So if you give this to them you're golden and they will love you forever. - I've been enough in the PUA BS to know... it is just BS. Most of it does not tell you how to attract people to your life but bow to attract people to your gimmicks. That is why most PUA guys have it hard to actually get in loving relationships. Once you get too close to a person the fake part tends to fall out. So you will ask how do I attract people to my life? ****ING SIMPLE. Build a better life. Be happy. Think about a life you would be attracted to. Construct it. And then share it with people generously without being too uptight. So to end it up, it`s not about `female`s rules`. It`s about human rules. People like people. Once you attract people, you will see that guys and girls will be attracted to your lifestyle. 2
JuneJulySeptember Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Expecting failure isn't self-sabotage. It's being realistic. If I do feel that I have somewhat of a chance I will make the approach. You're right that I don't like direct competition with men over women. If a girl is already talking to a guy, I will not go up to them and try to get her attention/freeze him out. That's being a douche. There's ALWAYS competition for any semi-attractive female. ALWAYS. Unless she has an Adam's Apple. 1
HitMeNow Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) You display dominance and alpha traits to a girl (input). Girl's interest towards you rises (output). But this is what you don't understand. Game is gonna teach you how to fake it. Not make it. You shouldn't "display" anything. Instead of "ignoring a girls call to appear interesting". Actually lead a busy life, so that you aren't available 24/7. This is stuff that you are investing in your life, that make YOUR life attractive, not what you "show". At the end of the day, people will get attracted to your personality and what you have to offer. But if you keep gaming..... you will get lost into what you're faking and who you actually are. Therefore, once you grow your personality and life, you are not necessarily doing it for the girls, or playing it by their rules. You're developing your life, by YOUR rules and other people (girls included) have the choice to follow you or not. Edited January 25, 2013 by HitMeNow 1
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 BRIFFAULT’S LAW: The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place. I guess I will just bypass the obvious fact that you are not interested in anthropology and are only posting this because it's common fodder in the "manosphere" - but don't men and women both seek to benefit from their associations with each other? Isn't that normal?
phineas Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) Or you could just be in relationships with people who you're attracted to, who are attracted to you. Rather than putting on this bluff that will be shown eventually and reveal the man behind it, the man who she didn't fall for. I could & would. If women didn't play so many games. I've yet to meet a woman that doesn't play silly games & i'm fricken 41. Getting laid is easy. Getting a quality woman to be in a relationship with you hasn't in my experience because they all play too many games. Edited January 25, 2013 by phineas
fortyninethousand322 Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 There's ALWAYS competition for any semi-attractive female. ALWAYS. Unless she has an Adam's Apple. Then what's the point? I already have to compete in so many other aspects of life, and no girl has to compete for my affection or attention. Why in God's name should I have to bend over backwards just to get a date?
KungFuJoe Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Sure.. but women benefit far more from men than the reverse. What exactly do women do for men other than sex? Kids don't count since its mutually beneficial. At least women USED to cook, clean, be loyal and be somewhat subservient. That made up for a lot of their general uselessness. And this is not to say that women are useless in society. They just don't offer much in a romantic relationship outside of sex. At least not in comparison to what men offer. Generally speaking of course. LOL. You try WAY too hard, you know that? Leisureguy? More like LeisureWORLDguy. I can picture you in a bowling shirt and loafers. You try to come off as this lady killer, player, etc, but you probably wouldn't know what to do with a lady if she was lying naked in your bed asking you to make a woman out of her. You'd probably stutter and stammer and prematurely ejaculate in your high water slacks. 2
fortyninethousand322 Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 you probably wouldn't know what to do with a lady if she was lying naked in your bed asking you to make a woman out of her. I'd probably assume she wanted me to help her learn how to do her taxes or balance a checkbook. Like she was trying to learn how to be a fully functioning adult. I would not guess that sex was on her mind in any way.
pbjbear Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Correct me if wrong but only rich males and/or male models have choice to some degree in who the breed with. The average guy has to play by female rules of game. Game is a method of upping your appeal towards women. Also game aka PUA is still giving women what THEY desire NOT what YOU DESIRE. I have to dress, smell, think and respond using Alpha traits the female desires. My question is this. If men refuse to play the relationship game which is controlled by women will they always be alone? BTW realizing how women function has made me extremely depressed. Seeing the ultimate reality of women after studying MGTOW, Heartiste and some of RooshV's info is pushing me into Nihilism. It's become a product females desire or face being invisible and unattractive forever. What's the point anymore? Maybe it's best to just ghost staying single enjoying life. What is this material you are referring to? I dont have a set of rules I follow in dating except to not lead people on, have sex when I am ready and to not let men pressure me (didnt follow this when I was younger though), to be honest when I dont want to see anyone anymore, to cut out men that are flaky or have certain red flags that are reasonable I dont see these rules as bad...I would expect men to do the same. Its about finding someone you like and are compatible with. I find most men see women as sex objects or they get into relationships because they dont have other options However, I havent had much luck myself so who I am to say
Lonely Ronin Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 I can picture you in a bowling shirt and loafers. You try to come off as this lady killer, player, etc, but you probably wouldn't know what to do with a lady if she was lying naked in your bed asking you to make a woman out of her. You'd probably stutter and stammer and prematurely ejaculate in your high water slacks. I was thinking more along the lines of the scene from American Pie.
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