Anela Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 No need to be an ass. You don't seem to like girls or women - you act like we're evil creatures, put on this earth to destroy you. Why would you not want to be single? I'm asking you this seriously, as a "feminine entity" who is tired of reading this stuff you're re-posting from woman-haters.
Anela Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 I see it like this. Man shows interest in woman. Woman decides yes or no. Putting it another way. You apply for a job, have an interview with the hiring manager. Hiring manager says yes or no. Who has the power in those situations? Man overlooks women who might actually date him. Who has the power in this situation? 2
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 And of course, women don't have to be completely passive. An average woman, who is a little assertive, can basically get almost any man she wants. In all of your discourse on this subject - which is substantial - you give the distinct impression that having someone interested in you is the start and finish line of interpersonal relations with the opposite sex. It's so very not. Just because you believe, at this point in your life, that any woman who "meets the minimum requirements" will be a suitable girlfriend for you does not make it the truth. Dating is supposed to be the next step after somebody asks somebody else out - not an instant relationship. People need to get to know each other, to see if they're compatible, or to find out if they're with a good person, or maybe one of them will get "pumped and dumped," or taken for a ride for free dinners, which we hear so much about here. Yes, it's nice and a benefit to be attractive and get approached. But if you bother to read these forums and actually pay attention to what is posted, you will see dozens, hundreds, even, of attractive women and girls who are NOT getting "whoever they want." And they're not feeling good just because they have a vagina and hence, many options, I assure you. 2
Disillusioned Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Pretty sure that power exists on either end of the dating world. Relationships are controlled by both parties. ^That.^ BOTH sexes have the power to decide whether or not to play the game.
crude Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 If the OP is that bitter, there's a solution. I've found that if a man focuses on only one thing, getting laid, he'll have far more success than he expected. Don't look for a relationship, don't try to breed, don't feel anything for the women that you feel are users. Just get what you can off them sexually. If you have only one thing on your mind, you'll be able to spot emotionally vulnerable, low self esteem, whorish, and in-between-men women, and get lots of sex. Just don't fall in love or care, that makes you a lonely, average, loser again.
Untouchable_Fire Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Approaching romantic and / or sexual relationships as a power struggle is a losing proposition. Ignoring the fact that all relationships have a power dynamic is stupid. 1
KungFuJoe Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 I don't subscribe to the theory that a half decent woman can get any guy she wants. Maybe a guy with no self esteem. I've had women hit on me straight up or at the very least, show definite signs of attraction. And if I wasn't interested, I either turned them down or never returned any of the flirting.
chex Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 I guess the problem I have with the alpha/beta dichotomy is that it really only concerns those who care for being popular/socially successful. What about the guys who really don't care for having followers watching their every move? What of those who don't care for having dozens of "friends" who they became acquaintances with/manipulated just to get higher in the social ranks?
ThaWholigan Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Ignoring the fact that all relationships have a power dynamic is stupid. Brings me back to the idea that people's perception of power is wholly important, especially regarding interpersonal relationships. They must align with their SO in that regard.
PogoStick Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Believe it or not, women actually want to be with men too. Were you blind growing up? Younger women build their entire world around having that fairy tale relationship; get married, have kids. That gives substantial power to men in the relationship process. In fact, they judge so much of their success on achieving that fairy tale that they are willing to compromise in their requirements. If you don't' get this then you weren't paying attention the first 20 years of your life. 2
kaylan Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Does everything sex and dating comes down to female demands? With weak, desperate men, Yes. With strong, selective men, No. Believe it or not, women actually want to be with men too. Were you blind growing up? Younger women build their entire world around having that fairy tale relationship; get married, have kids. That gives substantial power to men in the relationship process. In fact, they judge so much of their success on achieving that fairy tale that they are willing to compromise in their requirements. If you don't' get this then you weren't paying attention the first 20 years of your life. This. The problem is too many guys are controlled by their hormones and dont think much with their brain. When you become selective and have standards and self-respect, you start to control the dating game a lot more. 3
iris219 Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 I see it like this. Man shows interest in woman. Woman decides yes or no. Putting it another way. You apply for a job, have an interview with the hiring manager. Hiring manager says yes or no. Who has the power in those situations? You fail to realize that the following happens ALL the time: Man shows interest in woman. Woman says yes to a date. Man decides after the date he isn’t into said woman at all and never calls her again. Basically, it's useless to focus on power struggles when it comes to dating.
somedude81 Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 You fail to realize that the following happens ALL the time: Man shows interest in woman. Woman says yes to a date. Man decides after the date he isn’t into said woman at all and never calls her again. Basically, it's useless to focus on power struggles when it comes to dating. After the date, both parties can decide yes or no. I might actually wager that more often than not women are the ones who don't want to go on a second date, but that's not really my point. To get that first date, the man has to impress the girl. That's just the way it is.
iris219 Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 After the date, both parties can decide yes or no. I might actually wager that more often than not women are the ones who don't want to go on a second date, but that's not really my point. To get that first date, the man has to impress the girl. That's just the way it is. No, I disagree. Often, we find ourselves drawn to people for no apparent reason. Or, two people have a normal conversation and it's enough to make them want to get to know each better. No one did anything to impress the other person and I don't think impressing someone is necessary at all in order to get a date.
somedude81 Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 No, I disagree. Often, we find ourselves drawn to people for no apparent reason. Or, two people have a normal conversation and it's enough to make them want to get to know each better. No one did anything to impress the other person and I don't think impressing someone is necessary at all in order to get a date. Who is this "we" that you speak off? That's never happened for me, and it seems like it hasn't happened for several guys on this forum either. But I'm sure it's something that happens pretty often for almost all women. Yes I do experience being drawn to various women for no reason or I enjoyed having a conversation with her. But I've never experienced somebody being drawn to me. You just can't see things from the struggling males point of view. And you should be happy that you can't, because nobody should experience it.
GoodOnPaper Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Man overlooks women who might actually date him. Who has the power in this situation? This only works if the man is aware that said women are interested in him. There's no perception of power if there is no rejection involved. The number of interested women that I overlooked or rejected is zero. The number of women that I was interested in but who rejected me is in the dozens. Not really empowering . . . 1
chex Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 This only works if the man is aware that said women are interested in him. There's no perception of power if there is no rejection involved. The number of interested women that I overlooked or rejected is zero. The number of women that I was interested in but who rejected me is in the dozens. Not really empowering . . . You've never rejected an interested woman? o_o
jonb26 Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 I think it's all about the women you meet. I was lucky enough in the past to date women who were beautiful, strong and independent but open to getting to know me and caring about me without demanding I compromise myself or me demanding the same of them... Lately, I have had some worse experiences with women who stress the ever-elusive "game" as the measuring stick of a man's worthiness, but that seems to be more an issue of luck of the draw at this point. I'll have to reevaluate the type of woman I've been pursuing lately... I think if you pursue the right people, dating and romance have the potential to be mutually fulfilling without any of this power dynamic BS.
somedude81 Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Man overlooks women who might actually date him. Who has the power in this situation? For one, did the guy actually know? Two, did the girl at least meet his bare minimum standards? There is a reason why people who are unemployed don't simply work in fast food. In all of your discourse on this subject - which is substantial - you give the distinct impression that having someone interested in you is the start and finish line of interpersonal relations with the opposite sex. It's so very not. Just because you believe, at this point in your life, that any woman who "meets the minimum requirements" will be a suitable girlfriend for you does not make it the truth. Dating is supposed to be the next step after somebody asks somebody else out - not an instant relationship. People need to get to know each other, to see if they're compatible, or to find out if they're with a good person, or maybe one of them will get "pumped and dumped," or taken for a ride for free dinners, which we hear so much about here. How the hell should I know that? I've never gone further than a first date with a girl. Yes, it's nice and a benefit to be attractive and get approached. But if you bother to read these forums and actually pay attention to what is posted, you will see dozens, hundreds, even, of attractive women and girls who are NOT getting "whoever they want." And they're not feeling good just because they have a vagina and hence, many options, I assure you.I spend too much time reading these forums as it is already. In the threads I do read that from women posting about their struggles, it's usually because of some decisions that she made. They almost all are, "Help I did something stupid, how do I fix it."
aussietigerwolf Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 There's a game to all this? Damn... No one ever gave me the instructions. Correct me if wrong but only rich males and/or male models have choice to some degree in who the breed with. The average guy has to play by female rules of game. Game is a method of upping your appeal towards women. Also game aka PUA is still giving women what THEY desire NOT what YOU DESIRE. I have to dress, smell, think and respond using Alpha traits the female desires. My question is this. If men refuse to play the relationship game which is controlled by women will they always be alone? BTW realizing how women function has made me extremely depressed. Seeing the ultimate reality of women after studying MGTOW, Heartiste and some of RooshV's info is pushing me into Nihilism. It's become a product females desire or face being invisible and unattractive forever. What's the point anymore? Maybe it's best to just ghost staying single enjoying life.
somedude81 Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 BTW, I'm 31 years old. I've rejected one women who had clear interest in me. One. How many men has the average 31 year old women rejected?
chex Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 If you're a woman' date=' for the most part you're set. If you're a man, you better read up.[/quote'] Well as a woman the trick is more to avoid guys who'll date rape you or abuse you.
chex Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 As a woman the only game you need doesn't really require instructions. Looking good can be hard. I mean look at all the guys who complain here about not looking good, guys hardly deal with half the **** women deal with as far as looks go.
chex Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 PROTIP: avoid the guys who instantly moisten your vagina once you lay eyes on them. Oh god do you want to kill my dating life greznog?
Lonely Ronin Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 That's never happened for me, and it seems like it hasn't happened for several guys on this forum either. That's because you are all self sabotaging statistical outliers.
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