Gf pregnant dating 8 months?

January 26, 2013

^Cry moar plz

January 26, 2013

6 week fetus, google the image. Whatever, it's not like I'll ever convince the animals on this planet to have a conscience. Continue to roll your eyes at the termination of a human life. Society has programmed you well.

I'm sure you also believe the female body is capable of shutting down its reproductive system during a legitimate rape as well.

January 26, 2013

More mockery about the murder of a human life? "I believe that it's wrong to kill babies" "CRY MOAR LOL"

Really, what more needs to be said about human beings and western society than that? Thanks for summing up the sickness of this world so succinctly.

I'm sure you also believe the female body is capable of shutting down its reproductive system during a legitimate rape as well.

Actually no, the fact that I have both a functioning brain and a functioning conscience makes me a better and wiser human being than you, rather than the opposite. The OP's GF wasn't raped, how is rape pregnancy relevant other than deflecting the attention away from the baby murder you support toward baby murder which is more palatable?

January 26, 2013

If you look at humans....they tend on acting like animals CAUSE we are animals. Getting an abortion for the right reasons is not a murder but several lives saved.

People are only animals if they do not make a conscious choice to elevate themselves to be better than animals. If you act like an "animal" it is by choice. People should be held responsible for choices. In fact, that's part of the fundamental point of having a society based on laws and standards, rather than anarchy.

"Several lives saved" - what an awful length you're going to to spin it. Do you REALLY believe the propaganda you're spouting? Now I will not say there are zero potentially positive effects from this termination of a child's existence. There are also potentially positive effects from adults being killed, etc. In fact I could make up potentially positive effects for all kinds of horrible atrocities. That's not much of a justification for them.

You were a 6-week fetus once. Say your parents were these two, OR that you could have been given up for adoption. You'd rather have not existed at all, than take your chances with one of those?

The world is sick, people are sick, people are irresponsible, people get abortions, you turn a blind eye to the reality of what that fundamentally means. Out of sight, out of mind, stick in the tube, suck it out and throw it in the dumpster. I get it.

My point is simply this -- even given all of that, the living human beings with any conscience (like me) who witness this destruction of a life whose voice was never heard, have a responsibility to condemn the behavior and choices of those that led to this result. It's 2013. We have condoms. Instead of using a condom, they created a human life and killed it. I will not sit silent and say nothing about that, and pretend it's fine. It doesn't matter how many liberals chime in saying it's fine. It isn't fine.

January 27, 2013

You have to realize that times change. And 21 for nowadays is really young. You won't be together in 40 yrs much less 5. So get an abortion, that is really the only logical thing to do. If she says no, then move to another state where she won't be able to jail you for her bad decision.

Exactly. I am 23 and am amazed at how many people I've gone to school with having kids at those ages. (Most of them living off government assistance or parents) .The chances are that if these two had the baby, she would probably never return to school (OP seemed to make it clear she isn't in the first post) and either 1, rely on the OP for support once he graduates college or 2, rely on welfare and food stamps and likely pop out a few more kids within the next few years. No good situation either way.

January 27, 2013

Just have to say, appalled at many things in this thread.

"Sounds like she is angry because she was having fantasies of marrying you."

Uh, she had beliefs against abortion, his words. "But she knows how [he] feel" so is having an invasive medical procedure that she doesn't agree with because, at least in part, he wants her to. And you think she's angry because she wants to get married? Wow.

"Lie like hell, tell her anything she wants to hear as long as she has an abortion, even buy her a cheap ring and tell her she'd make a lovely bride. Then break up with her or make sure in the future she goes to Planned Parenthood for birth control implants in her arm, a diaphragm fitting or gets an IUD. That way she can't forget to take The Pill and put you in the same situation again."

What DAFUQ???

Okay, yes, I have the Paragard IUD, I don't want to get preggers and can't handle hormones. But combined with the above statement (from the same person) they seem to be suggesting she got pregnant on purpose, and absolutely nothing in the OP went there. And if you think a diaphragm is the answer, they and cervical caps are less effective than condoms, and far more inconvenient and potentially disruptive to sex than taking a pill every day. Maybe as a backup to condoms, but if guys should "Listen and learn", the real message to guys should be "No balloons, no party!" -- and suggesting just the other, long-term but reversible methods that don't require daily maintenance as a backup to the condoms... not diaphragms!

"No human life was brought into the world...no life was ended. Read up on what pregnancy is at 6 weeks."

Uh, here ya go:

Week 4 - Embryology

Notice I'm not even giving the embryo the benefit of the doubt that the OP was referring to gestational age of six weeks, as many people do when referring people to embryological development at a certain age (or pictures). At four weeks gestational age, or six weeks LMP, the heart starts to beat. I'm not saying that the embryo is a fully independent being that can survive without the mother, but saying an embryo that has implanted is not human life is ... well, IMHO counterproductive to arguments for real reproductive rights. Human life isn't always sacred or sacrosanct, arguing that an embryo is not a living thing is moot to the argument.

"If she says no, then move to another state where she won't be able to jail you for her bad decision."

*Her* bad decision? Uh, it takes two to tango. Yeah, it sucks for guys that unless they want to freeze their sperm and get a V, they have to rely on those nasty gross condoms that reduce sensation, or hope that the woman's birth control works. But creating a child takes two.

"I'm sure you also believe the female body is capable of shutting down its reproductive system during a legitimate rape as well."

Way to go off topic. The person who you're speaking to was pissed off at the fact they did not take responsibility for a child created during mutually desired sex. And yeah, it was said kind of snidely, but the suggestion to the OP was to make sure it didn't happen again. Which is the suggestion we're all making.

But just like the human life argument, the rape argument isn't exactly correct either, IMHO, to arguing for true choice. The people who have a double-standard about whether abortion is okay in cases of adult women being raped (where, theoretically, the risk to their life from continuing the pregnancy is about the same as other women's) vs a couple having an oops, instead of suggesting that adoption is the solution for both, are suggesting that pregnancy is punishment a woman should have to endure for being "bad".

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Do I think a woman should have the legal right to choose whether or not to have an abortion if she gets pregnant, no matter what?

Yes.

Why? Because pregnancy and childbirth are hard on even a very healthy body. A sanitary, legal, early abortion is medically safer than childbirth. The government should not be able to force someone to risk their life for another human being, or even to force them into involuntary servitude for nine months to save another human life. We don't force parents to donate kidneys to their children (though most parents would gladly give one). And really, do you want people who are the type of people who wouldn't give their kid a kidney raising kids at all?

What really freaks me out are the people who want to ban most forms of birth control, calling them abortificants, because they might interfere with implantation as one of their effects. 75% of fertilized eggs don't implant in normal women. If God is willing to sacrifice 3/4s of our souls at that point, either Heaven is full of lots of little baby angels, or those souls are reincarnated, or a baby is not ensouled at that point in time -- and a woman is not "pregnant" until implantation.

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Ideally, you ought to have this firetrucking conversation BEFORE you get in the sack. It's NOT that hard to ask "If we got pregnant, is abortion an option for you?" when you're talking to each other about what kind of birth control is being used, when the last time you were tested was, and if you've been with anyone in the window that the test wouldn't have covered.

And if you aren't having that conversation before you are getting in the sack, THAT's the problem!

*steps off soapbox*

January 27, 2013

Very nice Lorelai. Nice to see I'm not the only human being left who values human life. And you're right about all of that. It's not about banning abortions, it's about having human decency and taking responsibility. I remember when politicians bothered saying abortion should be "safe, legal and rare." If only the "rare" part were true. If only most people had any conscience at all.

January 27, 2013

If she holds it against you, oh well! She WILL get over it. Later on down the road she will look back and be glad she went through with it. The last thing we need is another welfare baby. (No offense, but the odds are not in her favor being a HS dropout. In fact, statistics show she will likely get pregnant again within the first year of this child's life.)

Would you rather deal with an angry gf for a little while that you probably won't even be with a few months or years from now, or would you rather raise a child with her for the rest of your life? I'm sure there will be way more fights than the one you'll have next week if you choose the latter. Raising children is not easy.

January 27, 2013

Later on down the road she will look back and be glad she went through with it.

She'll be glad she had an abortion? Oh really? That runs contrary to most things I've heard about the psychological aftereffects of abortion. Please link me to the study that shows this though, that would be a fascinating read.

January 27, 2013

She'll be glad she had an abortion? Oh really? That runs contrary to most things I've heard about the psychological aftereffects of abortion. Please link me to the study that shows this though, that would be a fascinating read.

Point being is that it's different for everyone. Some people can handle abortion, like myself and my first gf, and others can't.

But neither of us have the right to tell anyone else what to do.

January 27, 2013

Yes. Her bad decision cause a guy that respects you. Won't have sex with you without using a condom before you two decide what method of contraception to use so you won't get pregnant. Its the girls mistake. Not the guys. Girls like to pretend that they can change a guy and that isn't true. They spend most of their youth(physical prime) chasing guys that treat them their worth. And then once their looks are gone-maybe just maybe-they start looking at the way a guy treats them as an indicator of whether or not he is any good. But they still have that unrealistic expectation that a guy should bring more to the table than a guy.

Its like a woman's brain doesn't function until much later in life.

And that is so insulting to men that I'm surprised no one else has called bullturds -- but I haven't gotten to the next page yet.

Men are just as capable of firetrucking responsibly (sorry, that's a euphemism on another forum that autocorrects the f-word to firetruck) as women are. Sure, biologically, women may suffer greater consequences from firetrucking irresponsibly, but that doesn't mean that men should be excused from blame in this picture.

But you're forgetting something. We haven't asked the OP what kind of birth control they were using. We're all hoping that they were being completely irresponsible, because none of us want to believe OUR birth control would fail.

Condoms, as birth control, really do suck. For disease prevention in the early stages of a relationship, before people are exclusive and tested, they're the only thing we've got. For women who can tolerate hormones, there are so many options that don't require daily planning, so the perfect and typical use failure rates are almost exactly the same. Some of the newer implants have a failure rate lower than getting your tubes tied -- and yes, I've known women who had a botched tubal. (It was done by the military, I would have thought they would have burned those bad boys up!)

Birth control sometimes fails. That's just the way it is. I, personally, can't have an abortion. I'm old enough and experienced in life, and without children, and if I had an "oops", I'd go ahead and figure out a way to support my child, even if the man wasn't in the picture. But that's MY choice.

And I make sure every guy I sleep with is aware that if my IUD fails, I'll be doing my best to keep the baby. Considering the likelihood of miscarriage during a pregnancy on a Paragard IUD, the baby might not survive anyway. But at least they know what my choice would be, so they can plan accordingly (or decide not to sleep with me).

January 27, 2013

Quit it with the religious moralities. Religion also preaches not to have premarital sex; to use religion to justify anti-abortion agendas is hyprocisy when you use it for one but not the other.

Look at it from another perspective: cultures has always taught us that people have children to help the family. In third world countries, people continuously pop out babies to help out in societies based on agricultural means. That means for every son that is born, a pair of hand is added to help support the family

In our society, having a child depends on one's means. If, like the OP, is 21 and a college student, having the child ,means burdened with a family and an extra mouth to feed. Does the OP have a job? While it's morally and ethically right to support a baby, it's also necessary to see whether he has the means to provide an income to support a wife and child. Suppose he has to drop out to work at McDonalds? How will he be able to support three mouth on minimal wage?

One thing about Western countries is that aborton is legally supported. From different aspects, you wouldn't be bringing a child into a world filled with poverty with young adults who aren't even at an age to be mentally and physically independent.

January 27, 2013

How do you mean what do you do?

I think you are a bad men and loser.

You took time to drag her away from her belief and parents.

HAve sex with her and make her pragnant.

And now you wan to run from the responsability.

Abortus is wrong and its murder.

And the woman will suffer from it more then any men.

Cause she have a conection from day one that she knows

that she is pragnant.

And the pain will come to her body.

You should be working your ass of to take care of your child and

her, That is what men do.

They take responsablity and take care of their family.

She need to break up with you right away and go to her family to

take care of the baby .

Cause you are only trouble

January 27, 2013

Quit it with the religious moralities. Religion also preaches not to have premarital sex; to use religion to justify anti-abortion agendas is hyprocisy when you use it for one but not the other.

Look at it from another perspective: cultures has always taught us that people have children to help the family. In third world countries, people continuously pop out babies to help out in societies based on agricultural means. That means for every son that is born, a pair of hand is added to help support the family

In our society, having a child depends on one's means. If, like the OP, is 21 and a college student, having the child ,means burdened with a family and an extra mouth to feed. Does the OP have a job? While it's morally and ethically right to support a baby, it's also necessary to see whether he has the means to provide an income to support a wife and child. Suppose he has to drop out to work at McDonalds? How will he be able to support three mouth on minimal wage?

One thing about Western countries is that aborton is legally supported. From different aspects, you wouldn't be bringing a child into a world filled with poverty with young adults who aren't even at an age to be mentally and physically independent.

The big issue, to me, is that he said his girl didn't want to have the procedure, was extremely upset after, and did it because "she knows how he feels".

And that's why I'm really upset at the lack of communication between the two before they had sex in the first place, so they'd know if they were on the same page about abortion in the case of a birth control failure. Continuing to screw a woman if you know she will choose to keep the child if one is created is choosing to keep the child yourself, just as it's a decision to abort if the woman said beforehand that's what she'd choose. Putting pressure on a woman to make a different choice from the one their body, heart, and mind is screaming to make (whether it's to continue the pregnancy, or to not continue the pregnancy) is wrong.

That's why I'm up-front about what my choice would be. And it's something sexually responsible adults need to discuss beforehand. There are many men out there who cannot bear to think about the idea of a child of theirs being aborted. The discussion saves them from heartache, as a man doesn't have rights over a woman's body to the point of being able to force her to have a child, even if he would take it and raise it.

It's not religion that is always even the driving force behind these beliefs. I'm Pagan. It's just how I feel, and my choice.

I'm very, VERY pro-choice. That doesn't mean I'm pro-abortion.

Edited January 27, 2013 by Lorelai
Edited to add something

January 27, 2013

The big issue, to me, is that he said his girl didn't want to have the procedure, was extremely upset after, and did it because "she knows how he feels".

And that's why I'm really upset at the lack of communication between the two before they had sex in the first place, so they'd know if they were on the same page about abortion in the case of a birth control failure. Continuing to screw a woman if you know she will choose to keep the child if one is created is choosing to keep the child yourself, just as it's a decision to abort if the woman said beforehand that's what she'd choose. Putting pressure on a woman to make a different choice from the one their body, heart, and mind is screaming to make (whether it's to continue the pregnancy, or to not continue the pregnancy) is wrong.

That's why I'm up-front about what my choice would be. And it's something sexually responsible adults need to discuss beforehand. There are many men out there who cannot bear to think about the idea of a child of theirs being aborted. The discussion saves them from heartache, as a man doesn't have rights over a woman's body to the point of being able to force her to have a child, even if he would take it and raise it.

It's not religion that is always even the driving force behind these beliefs. I'm Pagan. It's just how I feel, and my choice.

I'm very, VERY pro-choice. That doesn't mean I'm pro-abortion.

I wrote my post after you, but it didn't mean i was attacking your response. My problem with the OP's post is that he wrote his girlfriend decided to pull the religion card; if that was the case, she shouldn't have thought about having sex to begin with.

It takes two to have sex, and it takes two to have a baby. The fact is that the OP doesn't want to have a child and the girlfriend having a child out of wedlock means she's going to get disowned. She refuses to owe up to her responsibilities and places the blame on OP, forcing him to raise a child and mayhaps expecting him to propose marriage ( seeming to be the case more and more). What about her? Is she working? What does she hope to bring to the table besides the OP being the breadwinner of the family? If she wants this baby, then she needs to be aware that giving birth to a child is half the battle. She will have the next 18 years to change diapers and help provide for a family. If she can do all those, and strives to do those, then the OP should relent to be a responsible father to a child.

January 27, 2013

Thought I was the only one appalled by the suggestion about lying to the girl about marriage to get her to go through with the abortion. Then saw Lorelai's post - glad somebody caught that.

Lying will only do more damage.

Papercut made some great points, about what the girl should look forward to if she decides to keep the baby.

I agree with the suggestion, OP, that you and your girl should go talk to a counselor. You both have a lot of options in regards to how to handle this and a counselor or Planned Parenthood rep is probably more knowledgeable on what you guys are able to do to address this pregnancy to the best interest of all parties.

Just realized a surprise pregnancy is ironically juxtaposed to Planned Parenthood lol. I digress though. Get to a Planned Parenthood clinic and see what they can do for you.

For the love of god, please do not make false promises to this woman to get her to do what you want. There are enough jaded crazy women in this world without making another one using devious tactics like that.

January 27, 2013

It takes two to have sex, and it takes two to have a baby. The fact is that the OP doesn't want to have a child and the girlfriend having a child out of wedlock means she's going to get disowned. She refuses to owe up to her responsibilities and places the blame on OP, forcing him to raise a child and mayhaps expecting him to propose marriage ( seeming to be the case more and more). What about her? Is she working? What does she hope to bring to the table besides the OP being the breadwinner of the family? If she wants this baby, then she needs to be aware that giving birth to a child is half the battle. She will have the next 18 years to change diapers and help provide for a family. If she can do all those, and strives to do those, then the OP should relent to be a responsible father to a child.

Their families are both religious, and I highly doubt they would disown anyone. They would, however, put huge pressure to marry on them, I'm sure.

However, to me that's a bad idea. I've known several young couples who got pregnant and elected to keep the baby, and stay together. But the ones who lasted were the ones who waited until after the baby was born to get married.

Sure, it was hard. But that's part of why I pay my taxes that go into our country's social safety net -- and anyone who is against abortion but also against the services that exist to help struggling families so that financial considerations *aren't* a primary motivator for abortion is really, really hypocritical. (Yes, one of those couples is still on the system, but that's because the dad had a head-on collision with a cement truck while he was working driving the handicapped to doctor's appointments -- he's now on disability, and the mom lost her job because she had to take more than three months off total in the year of his accident to take care of him and their daughter.)

January 27, 2013

The OP made this baby too. I hope you don't just run away like a coward, like so many other men do. You need to go to counseling.

January 27, 2013

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