Tattoos on Women: Yay or Nay?

[Untouchable_Fire]

So you think women from Suicide Girls website are not attractive? I can't imagine a guy who wouldn't but oh well...

Well... I know people (and maybe you) are going to throw stones on me for this... but whatever. I'm just going to put it out there. You will probably called me judgmental, but below is my general concept of people who can't appreciate body modification. Please prove me wrong, I am here to my change ideas and progress as a person.

In my mind, the guys I know who are worried about how many tattoos a girl has (and if she has any), have, in my mind, one or a few of these character traits: they are quite conservative, right-wing leaning, not usually an urban person, not inclined to like arts, or alternative cultures and subcultures (or at least understand it), not that traveled, or worldly. Also guys on the preppy side usually say this, the ones who like Barbie looking girls.

For me, any of the above kinds of guy is un-datable anyway, so it would be good to know beforehand about his dislike for tattoos etc., so I don't have to bother deciphering them and waste my time with someone I will be culturally incompatible with.

Just to put it out there, I also dislike ugly and trashy tattoos. And to make it clear, the guy for me does not need to have any tattoos himself but he has to be open to like subcultures.

 

No the vast majority of Suicide girls are so tatted up it's a huge turnoff.

 

I think because you are a girl it's all about whatever personality stereotype you like to put onto people who don't like tattoos.

 

For me... they just look ugly as hell. Particularly offensive are the boob and side tattoos. I think it's just as gross as having some kind of skin disease like acne... and for probably the same reason.

 

Come on... some of them are a little too much for some people, I get it...

But in general... wouldn't most guys consider most of these girls hawt?

(their website seems to be locked now to non subscribers):

https://www.google.com.br/search for suicide girls

 

Look at it like this... the girls are for sure very pretty, but they look diseased as if gangrene had begun to consume some body parts.

 

Yes I agree. A whole body tattoo might be too much... but one sleeve or so? I don't think it's too much these days. I mean, so many people have it. I wouldn't think it's disgusting or shocking as before.

 

Meh... you just sound like a hipster. That's an issue to discuss in another thread.

[Radu]

Since I started the thread, does that make me popular now?! I always wanted to be one of the popular kids

 

Get a tat and you will be even more popular.

 

I suggest something classy, on your mid [front and back] ... something in latin like "vagina dentata".

[Untouchable_Fire]

Hawt or Not?

 

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[lino]

The fact that tattoos enhance YOUR physical attraction to men in a conscious and deliberate manner does not make it so for everyone else. Plenty of people just find them either generally appealing or unappealing from an aesthetic level. I'm somewhere in the middle. I see a lot of "artsy" people with horrendously executed tattoos in all sorts of random places and think they're silly but I've certainly been attracted to women with tattoos.

 

Your generalizations about guys with tattoos being into "arts, ideas (whatever the hell that means), and subcultures" suggest to me that the world you claim to live in (which apparently is separate from the one I live in) is quite insular in nature. Plenty of preppy dudes getting shredded at the gym have multiple tattoos, as do many of their "barbie doll" girlfriends. Having tattoos doesn't make anyone unique or edgy anymore. It's been that way for at least a decade now, if not longer.

 

With that said, I doubt whatever world you claim to live in is any different from mine. I've consistently participated in some of the most unusual and extreme musical subcultures for over a decade now. Some of the people involved are covered in ink, while many such as myself are free of tattoos. A lot of that has to do with how they choose to put bread on the table. My idea of a good life does not involve paying a ridiculous amount of money to live a life of genteel poverty in a closet-sized East Village apartment, so I'm required to have a normal haircut and no visible tattoos. Others seem to feel differently.

 

 

Completely agree.

 

Some people like em, some don't and some don't give a sh*t.

 

I also believe that those who think their tats are more 'personal' and/or 'meaningful' than other peoples tats are just as closed minded and snobbish as they claim the anti-tattoo people to be.

 

Tattoo styles are subjective like a lot of things in life.

[Radu]

Hawt or Not?

 

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Hawt, but hawt for what ?

 

Marriage or casual dating/sex ?

[suladas]

Come on... some of them are a little too much for some people, I get it...

 

But in general... wouldn't most guys consider most of these girls hawt?

 

(their website seems to be locked now to non subscribers):

 

https://www.google.com.br/search for suicide girls

 

Yes most of them are hot, but would look better with less or no tattoos.

[suladas]

Yes I agree. A whole body tattoo might be too much... but one sleeve or so? I don't think it's too much these days. I mean, so many people have it. I wouldn't think it's disgusting or shocking as before.

 

A sleeve is a dealbreaker for me. It doesn't matter how meaningful the tattoos are they look trashy it is way to much.

 

Anyone and everyone has tattoos has nothing to do with being conservative, artsy, or anything. It's just a perference.

[Untouchable_Fire]

Hawt, but hawt for what ?

Marriage or casual dating/sex ?

 

Those are both the same thing to me. Anyone who I would not consider marrying... I wouldn't sleep with.

 

I recognize however that other guys make a distinction between the two. Why would tattoos make a difference there? Would you get tired of them after a while?

 

A sleeve is a dealbreaker for me. It doesn't matter how meaningful the tattoos are they look trashy it is way to much.

Anyone and everyone has tattoos has nothing to do with being conservative, artsy, or anything. It's just a perference.

 

Yeah... I don't consider it the same as artsy. Tattoos are just a way some people use to conform and feel a sense of belonging and community.

[MrCastle]

I recognize however that other guys make a distinction between the two. Why would tattoos make a difference there? Would you get tired of them after a while?

 

I think most men, or most people connect tattoos with being wild. Living in the moment, partying, whatever. Not saying they're wrong or right, but look at how having tattoos affects your ability to get certain jobs. The mainstream culture is not completely accepting of tattoos, and sometimes it's not because of the actual tattoos but what having a tattoo tells other people about yourself. Not unlike kids who wear fitted caps and durags and wear their jeans below their ass. Doesn't make them a thug, but it's not exactly helping to change that perception.

 

Anyway, so a man may feel he would like to fool around with such a girl, but marry someone with clean skin. They may seem them as more "pure" than girls with tats, again, not my personal belief, just a possible answer to your question.

[sweetkiwi]

Honestly I didn't even consider the possibility that I would be decreasing my dating pool upon getting my first, or any, tattoo. I have always had a love of them. Even as a child. My step mother tried to beat the "different" out of me. Didn't work.

 

In my job field its a positive to be artsy. Creativity abounds obviously. Though I think for most tattoos are detrimental and its because of the way tattooed people are seen in society. Very unfortunate but true.

 

When I go out with my tattoos covered I still look different. I certainly have an edge regardless of them showing or not. Still get stares. Still have men approach me. With my tattoos out they just have something to ask me about.

 

And no. I dont think MY tattoos are more meaningful than other peoples. Unless I ask them how am I to know their significance at all??? Its strange because I've noticed that its the older generations who are most accepting of my work. At least the ones who are curious enough to ask and talk to me about them. Its usually the people slightly older than me who have the most objections, and from the looks on their faces, have prejudged me. Thats fine. I cant change anyone's mind. I can only be me and not be concerned who thinks what of me. I'll only be getting more work done.

[Radu]

Those are both the same thing to me. Anyone who I would not consider marrying... I wouldn't sleep with.

 

I recognize however that other guys make a distinction between the two. Why would tattoos make a difference there? Would you get tired of them after a while?

I was raised in a country that basically associates tats with crime.

In fact the only ones who had them up to about 5yrs ago were convicts, done in prison with ink pens.

They started appearing, but as artsy as some like to claim, i'd just like to remind of a couple of things :

- most of them are not artsy, it's about attention seeking

- you 'do not buy' being artsy; you either have it or you don't

There's very little artsy about mass produced cheap crap.

- many of the ones that get them now are simply trying to be cool, to go with the flow, etc ...

 

Those suicide girls tats are unusual even for the west.

I don't like to associate with ppl who cry for attention and don't plan for the future [see how those tats look on the belly after a couple of kids].

 

On the other hand, if the girl in question has some nice discrete ones, that do have a meaning for her and they are obviously there not for attention, than i have no issues with it.

 

 

Yeah... I don't consider it the same as artsy. Tattoos are just a way some people use to conform and feel a sense of belonging and community.

Precisely.

It's generally a cheap way to grab someone's attention and hold it.

[Untouchable_Fire]

Anyway, so a man may feel he would like to fool around with such a girl, but marry someone with clean skin. They may seem them as more "pure" than girls with tats, again, not my personal belief, just a possible answer to your question.

 

I can see that type of thinking. I just don't really do it myself. I don't dislike the tattoos because it creates an assumption about the girls personality... I just think they are damned ugly. Thus heavily tatted girls are just turnoffs.

 

Honestly I didn't even consider the possibility that I would be decreasing my dating pool upon getting my first, or any, tattoo. I have always had a love of them. Even as a child. My step mother tried to beat the "different" out of me. Didn't work.

In my job field its a positive to be artsy. Creativity abounds obviously. Though I think for most tattoos are detrimental and its because of the way tattooed people are seen in society. Very unfortunate but true.

When I go out with my tattoos covered I still look different. I certainly have an edge regardless of them showing or not. Still get stares. Still have men approach me. With my tattoos out they just have something to ask me about.

 

So... to you the tattoos are a way of making yourself feel special/different... better than other people?

 

On what level is a tattoo artsy? Throughout human history tattoos have been a symbol of membership and belonging!

[Untouchable_Fire]

I was raised in a country that basically associates tats with crime.

In fact the only ones who had them up to about 5yrs ago were convicts, done in prison with ink pens.

They started appearing, but as artsy as some like to claim, i'd just like to remind of a couple of things :

- most of them are not artsy, it's about attention seeking

- you 'do not buy' being artsy; you either have it or you don't

There's very little artsy about mass produced cheap crap.

- many of the ones that get them now are simply trying to be cool, to go with the flow, etc ...

Those suicide girls tats are unusual even for the west.

I don't like to associate with ppl who cry for attention and don't plan for the future [see how those tats look on the belly after a couple of kids].

On the other hand, if the girl in question has some nice discrete ones, that do have a meaning for her and they are obviously there not for attention, than i have no issues with it.

 

I totally agree. Small discreet tattoos often have meaning. Large flashy tattoos are essentially for attention.

 

Additionally... I see no true artisan-ship in tattoos.

 

These new ear gauges some guys wear are just as stupid. Essentially your dealing with a bunch of people who are emotional wrecks.

[monicaelise]

I can see that type of thinking. I just don't really do it myself. I don't dislike the tattoos because it creates an assumption about the girls personality... I just think they are damned ugly. Thus heavily tatted girls are just turnoffs.

 

 

 

So... to you the tattoos are a way of making yourself feel special/different... better than other people?

 

On what level is a tattoo artsy? Throughout human history tattoos have been a symbol of membership and belonging!

 

Eh? Where does the issue of better even come up in this discussion?? What sort of backassward projection is this?

 

It's really interesting to see the comments made by the strongly opposed here. Those people who make assumptions regarding the personalities, attitudes, beliefs about the women who are tattooed are precisely the sort of people tattooed women don't want in their lives. In a sense we've done ourselves a huge favour by posting our "**** off" signs right there on our bodies for those of you who have these feelings. It's a wonderful way to separate the real men from the boys.

[Untouchable_Fire]

Eh? Where does the issue of better even come up in this discussion?? What sort of backassward projection is this?

It's really interesting to see the comments made by the strongly opposed here. Those people who make assumptions regarding the personalities, attitudes, beliefs about the women who are tattooed are precisely the sort of people tattooed women don't want in their lives. In a sense we've done ourselves a huge favour by posting our "**** off" signs right there on our bodies for those of you who have these feelings. It's a wonderful way to separate the real men from the boys.

 

That was a question not a statement. Notice the question mark at the end??

 

When you say stuff just like I underlined... It makes you sound as if you have some kind of superiority complex associated with tattoos. As if tattooed people are a better kind of people... the only kind your willing to associate with.

 

Is that how you feel? If not please explain.

[monicaelise]

That was a question not a statement. Notice the question mark at the end??

 

When you say stuff just like I underlined... It makes you sound as if you have some kind of superiority complex associated with tattoos. As if tattooed people are a better kind of people... the only kind your willing to associate with.

 

Is that how you feel? If not please explain.

 

Well why would you assume kiwi, or anyone, sees themselves as "better"? Your choice of that term indicates that on some level you see this issue has having a hierarchical dimension. Speaking on behalf of myself and my son's hundreds of clients, those of us who are tattooed don't even think about where this choice places us on a social ladder. It's a totally inappropriate conceptual construct. Only a very naive person would think in terms of "better" or "worse" when considering the choice to tattoo him- or herself.

 

Your rather obnoxious characterization of tattoos as tantamount to acne or gangrene indicates a very narrow, nasty way of viewing a population you have no understanding of. It also is a serious red flag for any woman who may not find intolerant, rigid, unpleasant men appealing. It's one thing to say "you know, I really don't like tattoos" but to start making generalizations about the personalities, motives, beliefs about the people who have them when you, yourself, have absolutely no clue about any of that...well that just screams volumes about the sort of individual you are. You think in terms of better/worse, superiority/inferiority...we don't even think about you, or any of that, at all.

 

In other words, it's not us, it's you. You've got the superiority complex. Or at least that's the way it looks from this angle.

Edited January 25, 2013 by monicaelise

[Untouchable_Fire]

Well why would you assume kiwi, or anyone, sees themselves as "better"? Your choice of that term indicates that on some level you see this issue has having a hierarchical dimension. Speaking on behalf of myself and my son's hundreds of clients, those of us who are tattooed don't even think about where this choice places us on a social ladder. It's a totally inappropriate conceptual construct. Only a very naive person would think in terms of "better" or "worse" when considering the choice to tattoo him- or herself.

Your rather obnoxious characterization of tattoos as tantamount to acne or gangrene indicates a very narrow, nasty way of viewing a population you have no understanding of. It also is a serious red flag for any woman who may not find intolerant, rigid, unpleasant men appealing. It's one thing to say "you know, I really don't like tattoos" but to start making generalizations about the personalities, motives, beliefs about the people who have them when you, yourself, have absolutely no clue about any of that...well that just screams volumes about the sort of individual you are. You think in terms of better/worse, superiority/inferiority...we don't even think about you, or any of that, at all.

In other words, it's not us, it's you. You've got the superiority complex. Or at least that's the way it looks from this angle.

 

I believe tattoos have always signified membership. I think to many people such as yourself and Kiwi... that is exactly what it means. The way you talk about it gives me the impression of some ultra swanky club where only tattooed people are allowed entrance.

 

Honestly if you don't think in broad terms of superiority... then why do you use such derogatory language to describe people who don't see the aesthetics in tattoos?

 

Are you just defensive about it?

[Ladybugz]

thats nasty, for men and woman to have..

[Untouchable_Fire]

Your rather obnoxious characterization of tattoos as tantamount to acne or gangrene indicates a very narrow, nasty way of viewing a population you have no understanding of.

 

I'm trying to explain why it doesn't seem attractive to me. It's a visual thing... not really a personality stereotype. Acne or Gangrene provide the best analogy I can think of... because they are visually unattractive. Perhaps scar tissue would be a better comparison.

 

I know some fabulous ladies that have tattoos like that. One in particular is a coworker with an 18' tattoo of a Hawaiian Woman on her side. I don't really judge her personality for having the tattoo... although I think it's extremely ugly.

[monicaelise]

I believe tattoos have always signified membership. I think to many people such as yourself and Kiwi... that is exactly what it means. The way you talk about it gives me the impression of some ultra swanky club where only tattooed people are allowed entrance.

 

Honestly if you don't think in broad terms of superiority... then why do you use such derogatory language to describe people who don't see the aesthetics in tattoos?

 

Are you just defensive about it?

 

Defensive, no? Again, that would be you projecting.

 

You don't understand a thing about why people tattoo themsevles, but you think you know what's up. We all do it for our own personal reasons. Kiwi and I are very far apart in age, geography, and general life position, so to assume it was a choice made in order to garner a spot in a certain swanky club is pretty ignorant. At the very least they'd be different clubs, which basically undermines your rather daft theory. You honestly know nothing about any of the things you're passing judgment on so, if I appear to have a problem with you, rest assured it's not your dislike of tattoos.

 

It's your bigotry and ignorance that I'm taking issue with. When one projects his/her own beliefs onto others with absolutely no understanding of those others, well that just sort of makes them a giant asshat. If you'd brought something more than just uninformed criticism and ignorant assumption to the discussion, I wouldn't have bothered to call you out. Again, it's your ignorance I find offensive. It's the stupidity and arrogance in the judgments that is off-putting, not the dislike.

Edited January 25, 2013 by monicaelise

[monicaelise]

I'm trying to explain why it doesn't seem attractive to me. It's a visual thing... not really a personality stereotype. Acne or Gangrene provide the best analogy I can think of... because they are visually unattractive. Perhaps scar tissue would be a better comparison.

 

I know some fabulous ladies that have tattoos like that. One in particular is a coworker with an 18' tattoo of a Hawaiian Woman on her side. I don't really judge her personality for having the tattoo... although I think it's extremely ugly.

 

You're totally allowed to have a negative opinion of tattoos. That's definitely something I wouldn't challenge or have a problem with. The problem I have with your comments is the snide assumptions you've made regarding the people that have them. Lots of people don't like tattoos, that's ok. It's an aesthetic that doesn't appeal to them. What I find offensive about your posts has to do with your assignation of character traits and beliefs to people you don't even know at all. That's obnoxious and it speaks of the kind of character that a woman who does like tattoos probably wouldn't appreciate very much. Again, you are precisely the sort of person we want to avoid. The tattoos help us to meet that goal.

[Untouchable_Fire]

Defensive, no? Again, that would be you projecting.

You don't understand a thing about why people tattoo themsevles, but you think you know what's up. We all do it for our own personal reasons. Kiwi and I are very far apart in age, geography, and general life position, so to assume it was a choice made in order to garner a spot in a certain swanky club is pretty ignorant. At the very least they'd be different clubs, which basically undermines your rather daft theory. You honestly know nothing about any of the things you're passing judgment on so, if I appear to have a problem with you, rest assured it's not your dislike of tattoos.

It's your bigotry and ignorance that I'm taking issue with. When one projects his/her own beliefs onto others with absolutely no understanding of those others, well that just sort of makes them a giant asshat. If you'd brought something more than just uninformed criticism and ignorant assumption to the discussion, I wouldn't have bothered to call you out. Again, it's your ignorance I find offensive. It's the stupidity and arrogance in the judgments that is off-putting, not the dislike.

 

All you are doing here is acting defensive and telling me I have some kind of prejudice. You are for certain coming across as 'holier than thou'.

 

What was the reason you got your tattoo? Was there an emotion associated with that choice?

[Untouchable_Fire]

You're totally allowed to have a negative opinion of tattoos. That's definitely something I wouldn't challenge or have a problem with. The problem I have with your comments is the snide assumptions you've made regarding the people that have them. Lots of people don't like tattoos, that's ok. It's an aesthetic that doesn't appeal to them. What I find offensive about your posts has to do with your assignation of character traits and beliefs to people you don't even know at all. That's obnoxious and it speaks of the kind of character that a woman who does like tattoos probably wouldn't appreciate very much. Again, you are precisely the sort of person we want to avoid. The tattoos help us to meet that goal.

 

I'm taking the historical and anthropological reason people get tattoos and applying it to modern day society. I believe myself to be generally correct in doing so.

 

I'm also pointing out how self righteous you guys sound when talking about it! As if those different from you can't possibly understand.

 

I think you want to avoid people like me because we might force some introspection or self examination. Perhaps it might take the shine off that feeling of superior difference?

[monicaelise]

All you are doing here is acting defensive and telling me I have some kind of prejudice. You are for certain coming across as 'holier than thou'.

 

What was the reason you got your tattoo? Was there an emotion associated with that choice?

 

Go ahead and actually read my posts. There's nothing holier than thou in them. Yours, however, well again this seems to be a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Every time I try to clarify for you what my issue with you is, you come back with this. You're not paying attention.

 

As to my own tattoos...the reasons were different with each one. The first was just because I liked it, nothing more. The last was a gift from my son. It was something he picked out that he felt reflected who I am. I carry that gift with me all the time. The others were primarily aesthetic choices, like permanent jewelry.

[monicaelise]

I'm taking the historical and anthropological reason people get tattoos and applying it to modern day society. I believe myself to be generally correct in doing so.

 

I'm also pointing out how self righteous you guys sound when talking about it! As if those different from you can't possibly understand.

 

I think you want to avoid people like me because we might force some introspection or self examination. Perhaps it might take the shine off that feeling of superior difference?

 

Again, you're just wrong. For all the reasons I've mentioned. You have some sort of superiority issue that makes you think you understand people you have no familiarity at all with. That's what it is to be a bigot. I don't claim to know anything about you, beyond what you've shown me in your posts, but you feel you are in a position to make sweeping generalizations about the motives and beliefs of thousands of people with whom you've had absolutely no contact.

 

I've never known a tattooed person of either sex to say he or she believed him or herself to be superior to the uninked population, ever. I've had my tattoos a long time and I've been around a lot of tattooed people. It's just not something that is considered. This is all in your head. People like you think this way. People like us just want to stay away from people like you, not because you're not tattooed, but because you're condescending and judgmental.

Edited January 25, 2013 by monicaelise