Author Keenly Posted January 24, 2013 Author Posted January 24, 2013 Are there any open mic nights around you? They're always good for meeting people, and doing what you love. Stage fright is definitely an issue. Took me a few beers to even consider karaoke.
MrCastle Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Right, because NYC doesn't appreciate the arts. It's not like we have some of the best museums in the country, or some or the more acclaimed art galleries, or the fact that most actors and dancers start off here (Lincoln Center anyone?), it's not like we don't have hipsters (the village, williamsburg?), or accept every ethnic background, or embrace and accept homosexuality. I don't know what part of NY you live in, but sounds like you've never lived here. Ooh, what else. Let's see, Broadway? Do they not embrace the arts? I guess not, what with all those plays they have and whatnot. What about fashion? Na. Can't be why they have fashion week here, or that New York itself is one of the top spots to go to if you want your modeling career to take off. There's also no indie music scene either, especially downtown in punk rock clubs. Nope, just a bunch of waspy drones. No individuality or culture here.
Alma Mobley Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Hmmm really? I had the impression people were more accepting over there. ...... People don't give a **** how you chose to look. Obviously this is a small example but I think shows a lot. How can people be creative in an oppressive environment? Didn't mean to jack your thread though sorry. That part is probably more true but really depends on the job. You can get away with piercings and tattoos showing at more jobs here, but it really depends.
MrCastle Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Ooh, what else. Let's see, Broadway? Do they not embrace the arts? I guess not, what with all those plays they have and whatnot. What about fashion? Na. Can't be why they have fashion week here, or that New York itself is one of the top spots to go to if you want your modeling career to take off. There's also no indie music scene either, especially downtown in punk rock clubs. Nope, just a bunch of waspy drones. No individuality or culture here. Oh and one last final thing: World's most cultured cities | CNN Travel :rolleyes:
TheBigQuestion Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Hmmm really? I had the impression people were more accepting over there. I.e.: I have friends who have punk rock industrial haircuts who come from there. In NY, they had to change haircuts just to be able to get a job, even though they work in creative areas. There's a behavior-looks hidden policy in the East Coast that shows the hidden waspy base where people's culture comes from. From my friends perspective, this doesn't happen in SF. People don't give a **** how you chose to look. Obviously this is a small example but I think shows a lot. How can people be creative in an oppressive environment? Didn't mean to jack your thread though sorry. How you wear your hair has no bearing whatsoever on your creativity or your ability to work in a creative environment. Did I all of a sudden lose my ability to play multiple instruments the instant I got my hair cut (it was, at one point, past my mid back)? Obviously not. The idea that having to change your apearance somewhat in order to get a job is also laughable. OP, don't get caught up in arguments about geography. Attitudes about dating are more dependent on whether you live an in urban, suburban, or rural area, not what coast you're on. 1
edgygirl Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Right, because NYC doesn't appreciate the arts. It's not like we have some of the best museums in the country, or some or the more acclaimed art galleries, or the fact that most actors and dancers start off here (Lincoln Center anyone?), it's not like we don't have hipsters (the village, williamsburg?), or accept every ethnic background, or embrace and accept homosexuality. I don't know what part of NY you live in, but sounds like you've never lived here. I live and work downtown. As opposed to you if I remember correctly you live in the suburbs. I live within artists architects designers people who work in museums. Yes there's a lot of cultural options. And ethnic diversity. And cultural options. I am NOT talking about that. I'm talking about the people. FAR less interesting than I thought they would be. Not that innovative. I was expecting much more. Lots of hipster posers, that's for sure. Ever talked with them? Laughable. Most bring nothing to my worldview. Everyone I know says Berlin is the new NY. Arts here are usually not as innovative as one would think. I am obviously not saying NY is the worst place to be at. I enjoy it. BUT it's far less exciting than what one would've expected. They say it was "all that" in the 80s. Not anymore. Have you lived somewhere else?
Lani Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Stage fright is definitely an issue. Took me a few beers to even consider karaoke. Then work on this! Get our of your comfort zone, and get on stage. It'll work wonders for your self esteem, and in turn, help you get some girls. We love confidence, and you don't have to be cocky about it, just the right amount for us to know you're not going to creep in the shadows.
Author Keenly Posted January 24, 2013 Author Posted January 24, 2013 How you wear your hair has no bearing whatsoever on your creativity or your ability to work in a creative environment. Did I all of a sudden lose my ability to play multiple instruments the instant I got my hair cut (it was, at one point, past my mid back)? Obviously not. The idea that having to change your apearance somewhat in order to get a job is also laughable. OP, don't get caught up in arguments about geography. Attitudes about dating are more dependent on whether you live an in urban, suburban, or rural area, not what coast you're on. I'm certainly not taking part in that discussion but it doesn't bother me that its happening. Quite entertaining. Really
TheBigQuestion Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 How you wear your hair has no bearing whatsoever on your creativity or your ability to work in a creative environment. Did I all of a sudden lose my ability to play multiple instruments the instant I got my hair cut (it was, at one point, past my mid back)? Obviously not. The idea that having to change your apearance somewhat in order to get a job is also laughable. OP, don't get caught up in arguments about geography. Attitudes about dating are more dependent on whether you live an in urban, suburban, or rural area, not what coast you're on. The last sentence of the first paragraph should read "The idea that having to change your appearance somewhat in order to get a job is somehow oppressive is also laughable."
MrCastle Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 I live and work downtown. As opposed to you if I remember correctly you live in the suburbs.[/Quote] Correct, which makes what I said and what you're saying even more sad. The fact that your views about your own city are more misguided than most people I've met who don't even live here. I went to school in the city, so most of my friends live downtown. I'm only here (suburbs) to sleep. I spend the bulk of my time in the city. Most bring nothing to my worldview. Everyone I know says Berlin is the new NY. Arts here are usually not as innovative as one would think. I am obviously not saying NY is the worst place to be at. I enjoy it. BUT it's far less exciting than what one would've expected. They say it was "all that" in the 80s. Not anymore. Have you lived somewhere else? Check out my link. How many other American cities make the list in any of the categories mentioned? The stuff you're saying is so off base it's almost laughable. Saying NY is not cultured is like me saying oranges aren't citrus. NY is synonymous with culture, acceptance, and liberal ideals.
TheBigQuestion Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 New York was also a slime pit in the 80s. People who glorify it when it was at its lowest both culturally and economically are jackasses and, not surprisingly, are usually hipsters who would've been too scared to even look in the direction of Williamsburg or Bushwick in the 80s.
edgygirl Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 How you wear your hair has no bearing whatsoever on your creativity or your ability to work in a creative environment. Did I all of a sudden lose my ability to play multiple instruments the instant I got my hair cut (it was, at one point, past my mid back)? Obviously not. The idea that having to change your apearance somewhat in order to get a job is also laughable. OP, don't get caught up in arguments about geography. Attitudes about dating are more dependent on whether you live an in urban, suburban, or rural area, not what coast you're on. Hm didn't you read me saying this was a SMALL cultural example I've heard and I believe illustrates the differences? You didn't get my point at all. I didn't mean for the OP to get into arguments about geography. I believe it's a fact from things I read online that there are more single men in the west coast therefore probably making it harder for men there to find someone. But please don't make me look up for links now. I'm traveling abroad and it is past midnight here.
charlietheginger Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 I have never met anyone talented in any other instrument other than myself ( man that sounds cocky ) Right now I'm just putting some stuff on YouTube to show my friends and family , ( keenly19 is my channel if you are curious ) Eight hours a day on weekends four on weekdays . I'd love to form a band but I can't be in a one man band. Ive seen guys perform by themselves. A guy around her play acoustic guitar and sings He sits on a chair. Plays covers neil young he plays The harmonica and guitar. More rocking tunes like Foo fighters there goes my hero he gets the crowd rocking
pbjbear Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Can only cast so many times before the sun sets man. Hey I feel ya. I would focus your energy on things besides women. Prob not what you want to hear... I have 2 male friends who are much older and were huge womanizers when they were younger. Both of them never settled down, but it wasnt because they wanted to be players forever, but because they did other things with their life (great things too...) that prevented them from getting married. They both told me they wish they could tell younger men its not all its cracked up to be and they wished they had done better things with their time now You dont need a woman to be happy. How old are you? If you are younger than 24ish I can tell you most women below that age are not worth your time. None of those women that cheated or wronged you were right for you. Dont depend on the opposite sex for your happiness... Not only that things tend to happen when you least look for it...
Alma Mobley Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 I didn't mean for the OP to get into arguments about geography. I believe it's a fact from things I read online that there are more single men in the west coast therefore probably making it harder for men there to find someone. Don't forget that a lot of those men are gay. SF has a higher proportion of the population who are gay than other cities. 1
TheBigQuestion Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Hm didn't you read me saying this was a SMALL cultural example I've heard and I believe illustrates the differences? You didn't get my point at all. I didn't mean for the OP to get into arguments about geography. I believe it's a fact from things I read online that there are more single men in the west coast therefore probably making it harder for men there to find someone. But please don't make me look up for links now. I'm traveling abroad and it is past midnight here. Yes, I read your point quite clearly. You tried to make it seem like one single instance of one person you know who had to modify her appearance for one job illustrates some difference between a city of 8 million residents and various west coast cities. That example honestly illustrates nothing other than a penchant to engage in sloppy reasoning when one of your beliefs is challenged. 1
MrCastle Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 I'm traveling abroad and it is past midnight here. You know what's a great place to visit if you're traveling? New York City. Have you ever been?
TheBigQuestion Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Hey I feel ya. I would focus your energy on things besides women. Prob not what you want to hear... I have 2 male friends who are much older and were huge womanizers when they were younger. Both of them never settled down, but it wasnt because they wanted to be players forever, but because they did other things with their life (great things too...) that prevented them from getting married. They both told me they wish they could tell younger men its not all its cracked up to be and they wished they had done better things with their time now You dont need a woman to be happy. How old are you? If you are younger than 24ish I can tell you most women below that age are not worth your time. None of those women that cheated or wronged you were right for you. Dont depend on the opposite sex for your happiness... Not only that things tend to happen when you least look for it... I agree. If love just happens to visit you in your early 20s, great. But I don't really understand it when people in that age group are actively looking for "life partner" material.
Lani Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Hey I feel ya. I would focus your energy on things besides women. Prob not what you want to hear... I have 2 male friends who are much older and were huge womanizers when they were younger. Both of them never settled down, but it wasnt because they wanted to be players forever, but because they did other things with their life (great things too...) that prevented them from getting married. They both told me they wish they could tell younger men its not all its cracked up to be and they wished they had done better things with their time now You dont need a woman to be happy. How old are you? If you are younger than 24ish I can tell you most women below that age are not worth your time. None of those women that cheated or wronged you were right for you. Dont depend on the opposite sex for your happiness... Not only that things tend to happen when you least look for it... This is great advice!!!
edgygirl Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Check out my link. How many other American cities make the list in any of the categories mentioned? The stuff you're saying is so off base it's almost laughable. Saying NY is not cultured is like me saying oranges aren't citrus. NY is synonymous with culture, acceptance, and liberal ideals. Well here you go. When I talk about NY I compare it to other countries, while you compare it to other US cities, where I believe there's no comparison. If you don't live within the culture through work, you will never be able to see how non innovative NY is compared to lots of European cities and so on. It's all a big show with not much substance. Lots of Europeans friends who came to NY thinking it would be super interesting (because it seems, from outside) say the same. Hahaha acceptance and liberal ideas. Sure. Wait till you start your work life. Let's see if you feel it in supposedly liberal progressive work places. Not. Thanks goodness my last boss was an European so that way our satellite office could be really creative. The office I worked before that, always featured in main magazines and newspapers, documentaries in main channels? Hahaha. Bunch of non innovative people molded by non innovative American culture. Even Obama recognizes that's the way we are losing in innovation to foreign countries. Just look at car design in the US. That my friend is laughable. Again, I think it's hard for Americans who never lived abroad to see all this. No offense though.
MrCastle Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Well here you go. When I talk about NY I compare it to other countries, while you compare it to other US cities, where I believe there's no comparison. If you don't live within the culture through work, you will never be able to see how non innovative NY is compared to lots of European cities and so on. It's all a big show with not much substance. Lots of Europeans friends who came to NY thinking it would be super interesting (because it seems, from outside) say the same. Hahaha acceptance and liberal ideas. Sure. Wait till you start your work life. Let's see if you feel it in supposedly liberal progressive work places. Not. Thanks goodness my last boss was an European so that way our satellite office could be really creative. The office I worked before that, always featured in main magazines and newspapers, documentaries in main channels? Hahaha. Bunch of non innovative people molded by non innovative American culture. Even Obama recognizes that's the way we are losing in innovation to foreign countries. Just look at car design in the US. That my friend is laughable. Again, I think it's hard for Americans who never lived abroad to see all this. No offense though. None taken. I don't think most people are willing to move to a different country to find a more liberal, cultural place to live. However if you're an American, and looking for a place like that, New York is definitely at the top of that list. If you like Europe so much why don't you move there.
edgygirl Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Yes, I read your point quite clearly. You tried to make it seem like one single instance of one person you know who had to modify her appearance for one job illustrates some difference between a city of 8 million residents and various west coast cities. That example honestly illustrates nothing other than a penchant to engage in sloppy reasoning when one of your beliefs is challenged. Haha. NO. I feel it everyday. That's exactly the way it is. I'm convinced of that. I know exactly how is the workplace and people minds in the city. No wonder it's getting behind in innovation in all fields. I wish very much that the city was less disappointing. I would love to be proven wrong. Not happening so far.
edgygirl Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 None taken. I don't think most people are willing to move to a different country to find a more liberal, cultural place to live. However if you're an American, and looking for a place like that, New York is definitely at the top of that list. If you like Europe so much why don't you move there. I agree and that's why I'm stuck in NY. I don't "love Europe so much" I was just saying that by comparison NY is not as innovative as people make it seem. I'm Jewish too, so I feel comfy in NY as there are more Jews in the city than almost anywhere in the world. There are many things I like about the city. Being culturally innovative and exciting as I expected is not one of them. Also, I feel that I can play a role in the city's innovation as I see its flaws clearly and that's an advantage professionally. I don't get overwhelmed thinking this is the best place in the world. I think that's what Bloomberg (and others) mean when he says let's bring more skilled foreigners to change ideas and things.
Woggle Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 I came of age in New York during the early to mid 90s and while it was good that they got rid of the crime and cleaned up some things it lost it's soul in the process. Back in the 70s New York pretty much set the mark on things from Disco to Hip Hop to Punk and many other things. They also set trends in the 80s and 90s but these days it is just a shallow yuppie paradise and you have to have a small fortune to even live in a closet. There are no more clubs like CBGB's' Coney Island High,Limelight and other places anymore. I left in 2002 and don't regret it. At least back in the day the reputation kept away all the rich kids moving there from Nebraska wanting to emulate what they see on tv. 1
edgygirl Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 I haven't lived in NYC, so I wouldn't know either. I know the types of people you are talking about as I have friends like that who are indie types. Let me tell you, though, we have a lot of posers here too. Lots of trustfunders who think they know about the world but don't and follow the latest trends, fads, etc. And a lot of people in SF care very much about money and status which extends to the types of social causes they support. All very shallow. But I have met really creative and genuine people who came here looking for what you described, but really... People are kind of the same no matter where you go, so I suspect there is a lot of overlap with NYC. I will say that people here seem more laid-back, though. Thanks. Very informative. I'm just curious as I hear all the time good things from people who's opinion I trust. I mean obviously there must be all types of people in both cities but what I hear is it's easier to date in SF. Maybe it's the laid back thing...
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