TheBigQuestion Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 I very much disagree. I've never seen so many raging misogynists in one place in my life. Thank you for explaining why you disagree. It was very illuminating.
Revolver Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Come one everyone knows online Females bashing men=ok Men bashing females=wrong 1
TheBigQuestion Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Come one everyone knows online Females bashing men=ok Men bashing females=wrong I'd actually give the people here more credit than that. Yes, a lot of female-on-male bashing that goes on here is just as bad as the supposed "misogyny" but is simply not recognized as such. That IS a pervasive discrepancy that I will continue to point out until someone decides to ban me. With that said, when the man-hating is blatant, most LS regulars tend to call the ones posting those threads on their bullsh**. 1
Author Nyla Posted January 24, 2013 Author Posted January 24, 2013 Yes, there is a HUGE double-standard when it comes to gender-bashing in real life, and to a certain extent on LS. As other posters in this thread have already pointed out, no one bats an eyelash when women go on national TV and laugh and celebrate the idea of male genital mutilation. Get a group of men to go on TV and joke about the female equivalent and you will see a hysterical uproar that would probably culminate in death threats. The nefarious offshoot of this double-standard on LS isn't so much that the women here freely joke about men having their genitals mutilated, but rather in the fact that many of the most prominent female posters insist that whenever they comment about gender relations or participate in "gender war threads," they are simply using reason and possess no gender bias. This is just plain nonsense. There are plenty of women who post here (primarily flash in the pan types, I admit, but there are several regulars to whom this applies as well) who are flat out ANGRY at and distrustful of men, and who honestly show little to no moderation in how they view men and paint them with a broad brush. It doesn't always come across in angry rants ABOUT men, but it often becomes clear when they give advice to other women about men. Rare is the occurrence where women team up to hound her for her hatefulness to the same degree as when a man does it. What is worse is that whether people here realize it or not, the viewpoints considered "acceptable" on LS are not as diverse as some would insist. Indeed, there is an established orthodoxy of thought here. This orthodoxy is not established by the moderators or owners of the site. Rather, it is perpetuated mostly by a handful of female posters with high four-digit to five-digit post counts and a few sycophantic males. There are a few tenets of this line of thought that stand out the most: (1) Criticism of a group of women, or musing about several negative traits that women generally might possess more so than men, will almost always eventually be shouted down as misogynistic, because saying that someone is "hateful" is far easier than engaging in an argument where one might have to face the possibility that their her deeply-held beliefs on gender might be illogical. This is the only message board I've found on the internet that is not explicitly a third-wave feminism site wherein criticism of the opposite sex is so frequently and hungrily dismissed, and subsequently used as a justification to hurl ad hominem attacks. (2) Criticism of feminism to any degree tends to be shouted down and discouraged, usually by (yet again) labeling those who have something negative to say about it as "misogynists." (3) General propositions that are easily verifiable that clearly indicate a male disadvantage (i.e. that men tend to be more financially and emotionally devastated by divorce than women) will be dismissed as wrong or irrelevant whenever a female poster has a personal anecdote of what is clearly an exception to that proposition. I should add that this response will almost always be accompanied by a hysterical and hyperbolic rant full of ad hominem attacks against the ones who dared to *gasp* make a factual statement. (4) The use of fallacious logic, ad hominem attacks, and so forth, will not be called out, and indeed may well be celebrated, so long as the conclusions are in line with what the regular posters believe. (5) Men who display any behavior or hold an opinion that a female poster finds distasteful will often be subjected to admonitions that they are (1) dateless losers; (2) serial killers/mass murderers (yes, posters who have held certain beliefs that have NO correlation to being homicidal have been accused of being like Anders Breivik); (3) not "real men," and so forth. (6) Many times, an attempt to start an honest discussion about issues that disproportionately affect men but get overshadowed by women's issues will also get shouted down. Regardless of some of the less savory characters that may troll the comments sections of MRA websites, most MRAs are simply trying to rectify legal wrongs against men. It's easier to insult and dismiss everyone involved in that movement as being a bunch of hatemongers than to sit back for a moment and think, "Hmm. Maybe my gender has actually been benefiting from a lot at the expense of men and I just haven't thought about it." When you point out men's issues here, some women will say that they know they exist and that they feel bad that they're wrong, but they themselves will literally NEVER commence such a discussion. When is the last time a female poster said anything about the draconian and disgusting alimony laws present in most of the United States, for example? If you care, if you are governed by reason rather than by your gender bias, where is your outrage? Where is your activism? I guess I myself shouldn't paint with too broad a brush; arguably the most popular MRA blogger is a divorced, bisexual woman with exclusive custody of her kids. The above attitudes are present in many areas of life, but they are particularly remarkable here. Excellent post! I bolded the sentences that I agree with the most. I feel sickened by some of the female posters on here, who constantly post about how terrible men are, even when the thread has NOTHING to do with gender relations. It's all they think about! Other females members agree with these types and I can't help but think that if a male member was scapegoating females in the same manner, he would receive group berating from a swarm of angry feminists.
Author Nyla Posted January 24, 2013 Author Posted January 24, 2013 Come one everyone knows online Females bashing men=ok Men bashing females=wrong This makes me sad as a woman.
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