Power Girl Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) (Edit: Just so you guys know I'm a dude. My name came from one of my fav comic book characters) These are a few random stuff thats been on my mind as of late. 1. As a guy I'd love to just chill by taking my date to Burger King and maybe watching a bluray at my place. In reality it would never happen because women look down on places like burger king for dates. Mind you I'm NOT being lazy. I honestly enjoy Burger King alot plus I have a fast metabolism so I can eat whatever. 2. This is 2013.........Must I take charge of everything like she's a little kid? I see in many topics that other men say I have to take charge. As a male it doesn't bother me if women are in charge of dates or even sex. The problem I see time and time again is that female basic instinct traps men into a Mr. Leader role even if he doesn't want it. 3. Do I really need Alpha male traits? Now I never let people walk over me and I sure as hell do stand up for myself. Want I don't care to become is like guys from RooshV or any other PUA site. I enjoy being a short ass comic nerd who gets off on comic book super women. I noticed the only real way to gain attraction is by acting fake towards women. I'm really starting to question female nature in general. We tell men to be ourselves but in truth it never works. Most women's nature makes them desire the typical tall, alpha trait guy with status. So for us happy beta guys who get nothing from women it means we have to put on an act (An act that really does work). But in the end acting fake just made me extremely depressed. What I learned from this is that our real human nature is twisted. What women love about men is our utilitarian nature. If a man isn't utilitarian or alpha most females won't even notice you exist. With all that said, I believe maybe guys like me are better off disconnecting from females. I really don't like pretending to be Mr. Alpha, playing mind games to pass female tests and I hate feeling like a utilitarian object. Then there is the part when a women is turned off over the little things. Maybe I said one sentence that gave of a beta vibe...... OH GREAT NOW SHE'S TURNED OFF. Frustrates the hell out of me that when women are turned off they freaking stay turned off. At this point I don't even give a damn about sex. I'm looking for a woman that won't make me feel like a slave. I always get this feeling from women that I as a guy have to act, speak and act a certain way or else they'll friendzone your ass fast. Edited January 18, 2013 by Power Girl Listing gender
Toddbt12y1 Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Women require work. Just as much as men do. A male should be the leader. Not dominating. But a leader. When you choose where to go, and do all the work: it shows a potential of how you can lead a family in the future. All these "tests" determine your future ability to lead a family. Although, it doesn't matter all the time where you take them. Showing them you care and can put thought/effort into it matters. They like to see affection too. Burger King for a quick stop date, okay. Sex isn't the potent essential of a relationship. Only one form that makes it work. It gets that oneness aspect going; as such it matters. You should be yourself. You don't need to be overly aggressive. You don't always have to make a suggestion: women like to input too. Everyone nit-picks on small things; males do it too(and worse when it comes to looks.)
Disenchantedly Yours Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Yes, bonding with women is worth it to men. As is bonding with men, is worth it to women. Since men and women can have gender differences, it makes us both better people to learn to have relationships with those that require different things. My relationships with other women have always been so much easier for me. Why? Because I am a woman and understand how I want to be treated and what I need and in turn, can easily give that to another woman in a friendship. But understanding men has been much more difficult for me and has required some work. But it's utlimately made me a better partner and a more caring person to have to consider someone else who may have different needs then myself. Of course, I am pretty traditional and not everyone is. I like more traditional relationships for myself and it has nothing to do with wanting to be treated like a "child". Some people will have different kinds of relationships with members of the same sex or whatever. But I believe that msot people still have differences even in their romantic relationshpis and these differences, if we are able to deal with situations lovingly, make us better people and partners in the long run.
Author Power Girl Posted January 18, 2013 Author Posted January 18, 2013 Women require work. Just as much as men do. A male should be the leader. Not dominating. But a leader. When you choose where to go, and do all the work: it shows a potential of how you can lead a family in the future. All these "tests" determine your future ability to lead a family. Although, it doesn't matter all the time where you take them. Showing them you care and can put thought/effort into it matters. They like to see affection too. Burger King for a quick stop date, okay. Sex isn't the potent essential of a relationship. Only one form that makes it work. It gets that oneness aspect going; as such it matters. You should be yourself. You don't need to be overly aggressive. You don't always have to make a suggestion: women like to input too. Everyone nit-picks on small things; males do it too(and worse when it comes to looks.) - You stated a man should be the leader. Isn't that like saying women should be in the kitchen? So far all advice to men about dating makes me feel like we guys are utilities to be used by women. - I show them I care by taking them to my favorite place to eat. After sometime you get tired of having to prove things to women. Why can't women just enjoy good food and a handsome guy? WHy the hell must I prove 50 million things to women? Tiresome. -Being yourself doesn't work for men. Depending on your society, town and location you just can't be yourself. Most of the time I can't talk about my tech stuff or gaming. Matter of face it's always the same basic generic casual talk with women that turn them on. It's boringly predictable which makes me question female nature and mental states. -Lastly men don't require a lot of work to be happy. If women don't get fat and not annoying chances are the relationship for him will be a good one. Men don't have a 100 list of things women must be like or act. We get turned on and stay on.
Author Power Girl Posted January 18, 2013 Author Posted January 18, 2013 Yes, bonding with women is worth it to men. As is bonding with men, is worth it to women. Since men and women can have gender differences, it makes us both better people to learn to have relationships with those that require different things. My relationships with other women have always been so much easier for me. Why? Because I am a woman and understand how I want to be treated and what I need and in turn, can easily give that to another woman in a friendship. But understanding men has been much more difficult for me and has required some work. But it's utlimately made me a better partner and a more caring person to have to consider someone else who may have different needs then myself. Of course, I am pretty traditional and not everyone is. I like more traditional relationships for myself and it has nothing to do with wanting to be treated like a "child". Some people will have different kinds of relationships with members of the same sex or whatever. But I believe that msot people still have differences even in their romantic relationshpis and these differences, if we are able to deal with situations lovingly, make us better people and partners in the long run. Traditional means slavery for men. I'm not going to go back to being women's tool or some traditional stereotypical guy. Women only gain from traditional roles. You have a guy that will protect you, provide for you, pay for you, and die for you. Men gain nothing.
Toddbt12y1 Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 I didn't say women should be in the kitchen. Males are stronger than females, we should take a role of leadership. Women are suppose to be our right hand, our calm. Our wisdom. Sure many don't fit the bill. Some do. You talk about your favorite place to eat, what about their place and needs? Variety is so important.
Author Power Girl Posted January 18, 2013 Author Posted January 18, 2013 Disagree completely. Guys need to learn to take ownership of who they are and what they're about. It's called having an identity. There's no substitute for it, and if you contrive one, the woman will expose it at some point. I keep banging away at this (seemingly foreign) concept of 'confidence'. How can you be confident if you're misrepresenting yourself? Seriously, its a joke. Women don't necessarily care about the specifics, the details, of who you are as much as they care about whether or not you are confident in and happy with who you are. Better to be the proprietor of your own identity and carry it with pride than to masquerade as something you think a woman wants you to be. Be yourselves, guys. You're not auditioning for a play. Wrong. As long as women of far far more options than men we guys need to put on a show. Why would a hot women pick some average guy when she has so many choices. A woman like this has hundreds of choices. http://i48.tinypic.com/2e6hvo4.jpg So a guy has to tediously game her to win. Being Mr. Average next to high status guys means you lose. Being fake is needed because dating is too unbalanced in women's favor.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Traditional means slavery for men. I'm not going to go back to being women's tool or some traditional stereotypical guy. Women only gain from traditional roles. You have a guy that will protect you, provide for you, pay for you, and die for you. Men gain nothing. You don't have to have a traditional relationship. That's okay. Lots of modern women out there. I said that was the kind of relationship I enjoyed. Although I don't think it's "slavery" for anyone. I would hope that we would protect, provide and sacrifice for each other, even if it happens in different ways. But the fact remains, you become a better person when you learn to relate to those outside yourself. It has taken a lot of practice and reading to learn about men for me. Things that didn't come naturally to me. It will be a life long process but it has made me a better woman and partner to be able to be more giving of myself to the different needs a man might have. The same is true for men. I am a much better partner now at my age then I was at 20. People who think of others outside of themselves usually are better partners. Doesn't mean they are perfect, but certainly better. I personally don't agree with stamping out all gender identities and telling ourselves that men and women are all perfectly the same. I don't really like the current way society is going where we are suppose to be sexless and mirror images of each other except in teh bedroom where all the sudden it's suppose tobe fantasy island. I like that men are different from me even though there are some things that men take advantage of sometimes that I have issue with. I am sure men can say the same thing. But the heart of your question is if it's worth it. It is ALWAYS worth it when you learn to understand, relate or give more of youreslf to someone else who is different from you.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Wrong. As long as women of far far more options than men we guys need to put on a show. Why would a hot women pick some average guy when she has so many choices. A woman like this has hundreds of choices. http://i48.tinypic.com/2e6hvo4.jpg So a guy has to tediously game her to win. Being Mr. Average next to high status guys means you lose. Being fake is needed because dating is too unbalanced in women's favor. And what about women that don't look like her? What about average women? It sounds like you only care about hot women. You want hot women to find all those "heart of gold average guys". But what about average women? Or do they not matter because this isn't about if women are worth it. This is more about you wanting hot women and not getting them. 2
TheZebra Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Dude, Burger King? There's your problem. If you don't have the $ to go somewhere where there's a waiter, at least think of something fun and thoughtful, like a picnic.
Author Power Girl Posted January 18, 2013 Author Posted January 18, 2013 @Nightsky -I just like the name Power Girl. No shame in using female names if you like em. I didn't use batman because I think he is annoying. A super handome tall guy billionaire who gets all the girls and a darn super herp outfit........Screw batman! Power Girl on the other hand is beautiful, graceful, a billionaire and down to earth. Another reeason I don't like the men so much is that they are stereotypical muscle bound characters. Can't stand how perfect these comic men are. -Umm I really do just wanna watch blurays with her. No sex yet as I have standards. -How is desiring freedom from gender roles make me a girl? -True, I'm not just a nerd. You still need game to attract modern women which as you know can be tedious. When I come home from work I don't need more tedium. -I kind of know most girls don't want me. It's the way women desire me to act that frustrates me. -HOLD ON BRO! I'm NOT A FEMINIST. I understand stuff like the MRM, MGTOW and PUA. I just don't agree with their belief in slavery to masculinity. A male should be what he wants even if women don't like it.
chex Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Don't worry about it man. Nowadays it seems like gals are loosening up a bit, I mean, me and my gal just kind of do what we want. Neither of us "lead" so to speak. We both have our own unique ideas for dates(I wanted to go to an abandoned building, she wanted to go to a restaurant with live jazz, we did both, it was a blast). I'm not especially 'alpha' .. I don't order people around or try to control them, but I'm confident in myself and confident in others. Sounds like you are too. When people ask who's wearing the pants we answer them quite literally. Generally, we both are. Sometimes, she's wearing shorts. Or I'm wearing shorts. Whatever.
insertnamehere Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) I'm 34 and I have yet to have encountered a woman who was worth all the goddamned effort. Dealing with a woman is like dealing with an abused, starving street cat who was just shot full of a mysterious cocktail of drugs of unknown provenance. While we're having the alpha conversation . . . I fall into the "alpha as ****" category. The pain of alpha is simple: it attracts women, but then you're stuck playing that role all the time or you will lose her in a heartbeat. You're never allowed to have a down day. The upside is that it makes it easy as can be to lose a chick when you tire of her. @ chex : did you seriously ****ing suggest "abandoned building"?! Do you want to sound like Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs? Edited January 18, 2013 by insertnamehere
chex Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 @ chex : did you seriously ****ing suggest "abandoned building"?! Do you want to sound like Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs? Hell yeah, we're both into urban exploration. If my dates are too badass for you, go somewhere.
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