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How does that explain your constant talk about how 'average men never get girls', and other associated extremely bitter blanket statements? Clearly you're one who did 'get girls', then, yes? It's not just the 'alpha males' getting laid?

 

I've had to work my a@@ off to get those few GFs and face a ridiculous amount of rejection to get it.

 

Mostly by women who I got to know and like as people and rejected me because of my looks or lack of status. Many times over many years, by some women I had some real feelings for.

 

I have never gone for the 'hot girl', the 'high maintenance girl', the super popular girls.

 

So, yes, it has made me bitter. And my bitterness is real. But that doesn't mean I stop trying. In a way, the bitterness helps because it helps you see how the game really is.

 

Last time I had a GF and got laid was about 6 months ago.

 

Generalizing is just that. Saying that in general 'THIS' is true about women, not ALL women, but MOST women. And I stand by those statements 100%.

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Details, details.

 

Please don't start the 'respect women' and they'll like you bit when I've seen so many good looking d@uchebags who treat women like numbers rack up as many numbers as they want.

 

You can think however you want. But I THINK you should count your lucky stars to be in your position and try and help those guys who are not as attractive. I would.

 

Points,

 

I have never said they will like you more just because you respect them, though I can pretty much guarantee you they are going to dislike you when you disrespect them.

 

Just because you have seen some as*hats act in an unethical/uncultured manner doesn't mean you should be advocating that method. Perhaps that's why so many male LS members fail, because they compromise their own integrity by focusing to much on "winning", as it's so commonly referred to here.

 

 

IRL, I'm usually the first person my male & female friends tern to for relationship/dating advise. What i advocate isn't what most male LS members want to here though. I advocate, introspection, learning to read people, knowing your requirements, needs, & wants, and not compromising on them.

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IRL, I'm usually the first person my male & female friends tern to for relationship/dating advise. What i advocate isn't what most male LS members want to here though. I advocate, introspection, learning to read people, knowing your requirements, needs, & wants, and not compromising on them.

 

 

Exactly.

 

You have the luxury as a desired male of not compromising any of your needs and wants. Just like a woman. You have seen exactly what you can get in the past and are basing what you want on that history.

 

You understand how it's different for guys that struggle with women?

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What do you mean no success?

 

I've gotten laid. I've had girlfriends. Serious relationships.

 

But ONLY AFTER I figured out the rules of the game. Before when I was about getting to know the woman and human connection, it was rejection after rejection.

 

Where did you get that I've had no success?

 

I used to think you were a decent guy. A bit hard on yourself but a decent guy.

 

After reading what you just wrote now I know you're just like any of the other bitter and perpetually single guys in here, who go around just wanting women (and men) to feel sorry for them.

 

Do you realize how pathetic you sound? And you wonder why you can't get a woman to stick around?

 

You've had no success. At least not any real success on terms of anything meaningful or a REAL connection with a woman.

 

You'll probably respond and say that you aren't looking for a real connection, but then why the hell are you on LOVEshack?

 

I should just save this...it bears repeating many many times around here.

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Exactly.

 

You have the luxury as a desired male of not compromising any of your needs and wants. Just like a woman. You have seen exactly what you can get in the past and are basing what you want on that history.

 

You understand how it's different for guys that struggle with women?

 

lol, if I'm so desirable, why am I single an on LS.

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lol, if I'm so desirable, why am I single an on LS.

"Because you have high standards like a woman" :lmao:

 

Perhaps the "undesirables" are putting the cart before the horse, so to speak?

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I used to think you were a decent guy. A bit hard on yourself but a decent guy.

 

After reading what you just wrote now I know you're just like any of the other bitter and perpetually single guys in here, who go around just wanting women (and men) to feel sorry for them.

 

Do you realize how pathetic you sound? And you wonder why you can't get a woman to stick around?

 

You've had no success. At least not any real success on terms of anything meaningful or a REAL connection with a woman.

 

You'll probably respond and say that you aren't looking for a real connection, but then why the hell are you on LOVEshack?

 

I should just save this...it bears repeating many many times around here.

 

*shrugs shoulders*

 

You don't know me in real life.

 

All I know is what has failed for me and what has been successful.

 

lol, if I'm so desirable, why am I single an on LS.

 

 

Because you choose to be single. When was the last time a woman hit on you or wanted you or called you hot?

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*shrugs shoulders*

 

You don't know me in real life.

 

All I know is what has failed for me and what has been successful.

 

 

What exactly is your definition of success? Number of partners? Or falling in love with someone who loves you back?

 

Some guys might claim the former (mostly because they haven't experienced real love...yet) but I think most everyone would consider the latter as "winning the game". I mean, to me, that is the end goal. That is the ultimate prize in the dating game. To find that one special someone to ride off into the sunset with.

 

If you're not trying to make connections with the opposite sex you're just wasting your time.

 

It doesn't sound like you've having much fun as it is, from the tone of your posts.

 

Which is why I don't think you are any more "successful" than you were before you "learned how to play the game".

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What exactly is your definition of success? Number of partners? Or falling in love with someone who loves you back?

 

Some guys might claim the former (mostly because they haven't experienced real love...yet) but I think most everyone would consider the latter as "winning the game". I mean, to me, that is the end goal. That is the ultimate prize in the dating game. To find that one special someone to ride off into the sunset with.

 

If you're not trying to make connections with the opposite sex you're just wasting your time.

 

It doesn't sound like you've having much fun as it is, from the tone of your posts.

 

Which is why I don't think you are any more "successful" than you were before you "learned how to play the game".

 

My definition is the same as yours.

 

But once I learned that women will favor looks and status over a connection most every time, you learn that it is indeed a 'game'.

 

Because you need to get the attraction first, and then find the connection later out of those who you can get attracted to you.

 

Simple as that. I understand how that might be difficult for you to relate to.

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Because you choose to be single. When was the last time a woman hit on you or wanted you or called you hot?

 

I'm single because I've had relationships that didn't work in the past, and I won't compromise on some things. Thus i won't enter a relationships with a new woman unless certain requirements are meet. That's probably the biggest issue with 3/4 ths of the guys on LS, they come off as pathetic, because they will do almost anything to 'get a woman'.

 

 

But once I learned that women will favor looks and status over a connection most every time, you learn that it is indeed a 'game'.

 

This is where your theory is flawed, it's not that they favor it, it's that its the simplest and easiest was to 'thin the heard' if you will.

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Perhaps the "undesirables" are putting the cart before the horse, so to speak?

 

This is very possible....

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There is no "end goal". There is no "end game". There is no "riding off into the sunset with that special someone". That's the realm of Disney movies. You just keeping plugging and plugging away at something until you die. With a divorce rate of 50%+' date=' why do people keep letting this bull**** fantasy subsist? Everybody wants to be the ones who find "true love" but with a divorce rate that's climbing by the day, few will ever see that level of true compatibility. Our culture encourages weddings but discourages marriage. So it is all a "game". You will never have that person who is one hundred percent comfortable with who you are. There is no such thing.[/quote']

 

The divorce rate is climbing, because way to many people settle for someone they are barely compatible, instead of holding out until they find someone they are highly compatible with.

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There is no "end goal". There is no "end game". There is no "riding off into the sunset with that special someone". That's the realm of Disney movies. You just keeping plugging and plugging away at something until you die. With a divorce rate of 50%+' date=' why do people keep letting this bull**** fantasy subsist? Everybody wants to be the ones who find "true love" but with a divorce rate that's climbing by the day, few will ever see that level of true compatibility. Our culture encourages weddings but discourages marriage. So it is all a "game". You will never have that person who is one hundred percent comfortable with who you are. There is no such thing.[/quote']

 

I guess I'm one of the lucky few.

 

I have that person who is my soulmate, my partner for life. My 100% comfortable...as you put it.

 

Though, to be honest, you are not exactly wrong. When it comes to relationships, I do think I got lucky...extremely lucky. I think my wife and I are one of the happiest couples on the planet...if not THE happiest.

 

I know how hard it is to find that special person. But some of you make it seem like you have to have movie star looks, be the most charming person around, and be extremely wealthy, to be happy in love.

 

And I'm here showing you undeniable proof that it's not the case at all. I'm not saying I have the answer for everyone. But I am saying that neither does you, or anyone else.

 

Everyone has their own answer...for themselves.

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The divorce rate is climbing, because way to many people settle for someone they are barely compatible, instead of holding out until they find someone they are highly compatible with.

 

Actually the divorce rate has been dropping for years - in part because of what you said right here, Lonely Ronin.

 

Quote from the article: "a new report from the U.S. Census Bureau finds divorce rates for most age groups have been dropping since 1996 by an average of about 5 percentage points."

 

--this is attributed in part to people taking time about choosing partners and getting married later in life

 

LS conventional wisdom tends to be a bit behind the times. ;)

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I can be bitter at times but am aware of it and I try to manage it so it doesn't get worse. When we point out facts on this site we (ones who struggle) are pissed on and told stop being bitter, work on our SS and have C. Well if I lived in a different universe where the laws of physics I might not think that that advice isn't smoke filled coffee house crap! What does it say about you when you can't get a R? Not even a bad one? What would make date a woman who I know 100% I shouldn't because she's never wrong and is a control freak? OPTIONS!!! If she was over her ex and ready I'd do it and I don't care how bad it looks. Humans need companionship and sex so if that's all I can get then hey, it is what it is. The thing that upsets me the most is that a lot of posters here act like we think we're entitled to a 10! I'd be happy with a 5 and I don't care if their a little chunky, as long as their not bigger than me proportionately we're go flight. The beter looking you are the more options you have. The more options you have the more picky you can be as to what you want in an SO.

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Actually the divorce rate has been dropping for years - in part because of what you said right here, Lonely Ronin.

 

Quote from the article: "a new report from the U.S. Census Bureau finds divorce rates for most age groups have been dropping since 1996 by an average of about 5 percentage points."

 

--this is attributed in part to people taking time about choosing partners and getting married later in life

 

LS conventional wisdom tends to be a bit behind the times. ;)

 

 

To be fair, i don't keep detailed track of this, but it had been rising in the mid to late 0's (what i remember) but after some quick goggling, it appears to be going down again.

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Marriage and Divorce

 

(Data are for the U.S.)

 

 

  • Number of marriages: 2,096,000
  • Marriage rate: 6.8 per 1,000 total population
  • Divorce rate: 3.6 per 1,000 population (44 reporting States and D.C.)

FASTSTATS - Marriage and Divorce

 

 

As of published data for 2009.

 

 

I think there's traction relevant to 'above average' women in that stats do support a lessening/lower divorce rate amongst college educated and graduated males and females who achieve middle class economic success. Generally, those members also marry later, hence have more life experience and societal success and popularity and stability, all factors which support longevity of marriage/LTR.

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I have been told I am an above average woman (usually 8 or 9) by many men and I have had terrible luck in dating.

 

But the shallowness of your posts really kind of astounds me...not gonna lie...I dont have much hope for the male population. Most men seem to see women as sexual objects/commodities or just "unattractive" "attractive" or "damn hot" beings

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What exactly is your definition of success? Number of partners? Or falling in love with someone who loves you back?

 

Some guys might claim the former (mostly because they haven't experienced real love...yet) but I think most everyone would consider the latter as "winning the game".

 

"The game" is still tilted very much toward those who can attract a lot of partners. At least on LS, guys who struggle and end up marrying one of the first few partners they find are not given much credit -- it's assumed the guys will cheat at their first opportunity to make up for their lack of success when single. It's as if being able to attract "above-average women" like the OP describes is some sort of test to pass -- very disconnected from what we would think of as a quest for love.

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Whenever I see this thread I instantly think of this

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Above-average woman, stay away from me

Above-average woman, mama let me be

Don't come hanging around my door

I don't want to see your face no more

Above-average woman!

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Whenever I see this thread I instantly think of this

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Above-average woman, stay away from me

Above-average woman, mama let me be

Don't come hanging around my door

I don't want to see your face no more

Above-average woman!

 

This is better!

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You can't always get what you want

You can't always get what you want

You can't always get what you want

But if you try sometimes well you might find

You get what you need

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I can guarantee you, after what I've gone thru, that mere physical looks of a woman are NOT number one.

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Sorry attractive girls don't like anime or comic books.

 

I read Y: The Last Man Standing and Preacher........

 

Anime nope. Other mainstream comics nope.

 

There are always surprising elements to people. If only youre willing to look. Attractive or not at some point we have to progress spiritually and intellectually.... Right?

 

So if only above average women had all the success or even most of it, then why are there plenty of average looking people in relationships? Its not only with their own "league". And I dont believe in that crap anyway. I like who I like.

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Sorry attractive girls don't like anime or comic books.

 

damn... I guess I'm ugly then :p

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According to this thread I must be a guy who's attractive as **** and a major alpha. I didn't even have to ask anyone out to get into a relationship holy ****.

 

And I'd say the gal I'm dating is 'above average' but hey, everyone's got different preferences.

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