Above average women

January 22, 2013

Some men really don't have any "potentials" at all. Meaning really nobody who goes for them, not even ugly fat girls or whatever.

I understand this concept is so alien to women that they literally can't grasp it.

I believe that's true for some.

But how much is that because the guys are simply more risk averse than guys with success? Their reality is "no potentials", but their reality could be different?

January 22, 2013

The women have a larger pool of "potentials", but if a man doesn't ring her bell at all, there is not actually any potential.

The men, too, have "potentials" which are useless to them: women they aren't attracted to at all. They could have companionship and sex today if they just gave one of those women an opportunity. Why don't they?

Some men really don't have any "potentials" at all. Meaning really nobody who goes for them, not even ugly fat girls or whatever.

I understand this concept is so alien to women that they literally can't grasp it.

Exactly. For some reason, people think that the lower you go on the female looks ladder, the easier it will become. It's not completely true.

I have gone for women that are between a 2 and a 4 on the looks scale whom I also get along with and I get rejected all the time.

Edited January 22, 2013 by JuneJulySeptember

January 22, 2013

I find it a psychological curiosity that humans refuse to admit an advantage even though they may have every one given to them at no cost.

Just about every woman here said that being hit on by hundreds of men, having never faced real rejection or having to approach a man puts them in no better shape than a man who is in his 30s who has rarely or never been approached by a woman in his life and certainly never by a woman he has been attracted to.

But ... you have it just as bad as him.

Quite shocking attitude actually.

January 22, 2013

Sure, they aren't "bad boys" if you consider metrosexual Entourage wannabes who treat their friends like dog **** to be "nice guys".

looks who is talking about cop out answers, your response is to try and portray them as less manly because they do well. I have some damn good looking friends, and they are a lot better buds than the supposed "nice guys".

The mo of pretty much every guy on ls that does poorly with women is to try and portray guys that do better than them in a negative light. The guys who eventually end up doing better, learn how to better, instead of trying to find someone to blame there woes on.

They always find someone to blame it on, if it's not the alphas, it's the pretty boys, or the tall guys, or the rich guys, or bad boys, or it's the women who have laundry lists, or insist that they approach, or that date bad boys. It's never ever their fault.........

January 22, 2013

Sure, you can say a lot of guys do that.

But what about the guys who have maximized virtually avenue they can to attract women and still aren't getting results? Are they really going to blame themselves?

If they truley maximized themselves, and they aren't getting the results they want, then they will have to learn to live with the fact that life isn't always fair. I think this in fact point to a significant issue in society as a whole, the ridiculous sense of entitlement that the average person has these days.

January 22, 2013

Truth. If you can't find a partner then maybe it just wasn't meant to be.

Evolution.

January 22, 2013

The beautiful people get cheated on and fu cked over too.

You will be able to get an average, cute girl, who is a kind women, if your not hideous, and you have something about you that she likes.

January 22, 2013

That's only because men (that includes YOU too) are shallow and go for looks first.

Exactly dude. You know that girl who weighs 500 lbs and has the smelly vagina? She's beautiful on the inside. And that's what counts. Don't be so shallow and date her, man.

January 22, 2013

I consider myself good looking (7.5... maybe a 7 if I really start thinking about it too much. 8 would be too generous though) but I don't think that means I DESERVE guys who are also 7's and 8's.

My first boyfriend is definitely about a 4. I adored his personality when we met. It didn't matter to me that he was not physically attractive. About 5'6, all of 100 pounds soaking wet, huge glasses (poor guy was blind as a bat), and the most ridiculous fashion sense. But it didn't matter, his personality caught me. Of course, about 6 months in the personality bit went out the door, he refused sex with me (turns out he'd been cheating on me, with a girl who was much prettier than me), and it all went to crap. Moved on.

Next boyfriend was about a 7. We were decently matched in looks. Things were great until he cheated on me. Like before, this girl was much prettier than me. :sick:

Went on 2 dates since then, both guys were about a 5... a little bit below average but nice personalities. We just didn't click romantically.

Those are the only guys who've shown interest. If I held out waiting for Mister 10 I'd just be plain stupid!

I totally agree. I am about a "7", but can get very sexually into just normal and below average looking men, based on how they treat me and others, and how much fun I have around them, and how happy they make me.

Waiting around for a "hot" guy is a waste of time for me. I just go for whoever interests me. As long as they do not repulse me, there is a good chance that the right guy with chemisty will turn me on while not being conventionally great looking to others.

Why do these threads keep being made? Yes being attractive gives you more options. Some people have more options and some have less; I wish everyone would just get over themselves, and go for what makes them happy in life!

Maybe focus on your looks and personality if your getting no where, easier said than done but much more enjoyable than being so P8ssed about it, and being annoyed you cannot easily get a perfect ten who is also your soul mate:lmao:

January 22, 2013

Exactly dude. You know that girl who weighs 500 lbs and has the smelly vagina? She's beautiful on the inside. And that's what counts. Don't be so shallow and date her, man.

This thread, and various other similar ones, are NOTHING to do with the extreme ends of the spectrum; obviously, most model look alikes stick to other extremely, unusually beautiful people, while the very unpleasant looking people who have a hormonal or weight problem regardless of their diet and exercise program (and cannot afford plastic surgery and have an abnormally huge nose) will have to stick to the other unattractive people.

We have most people come here who are NOT too hideous to attract people.

No one wants that "500 lbs, smelly vagina" women, but most people are not naturally destined to be that way, most people are average looking and just have issues with finding the right person.

January 22, 2013

This thread, and various other similar ones, are NOTHING to do with the extreme ends of the spectrum; obviously, most model look alikes stick to other extremely, unusually beautiful people, while the very unpleasant looking people who have a hormonal or weight problem regardless of their diet and exercise program (and cannot afford plastic surgery and have an abnormally huge nose) will have to stick to the other unattractive people.

We have most people come here who are NOT too hideous to attract people.

No one wants that "500 lbs, smelly vagina" women, but most people are not naturally destined to be that way, most people are average looking and just have issues with finding the right person.

No.

Average doesn't cut it. I want to find my girlfriend attractive. And I do. I can understand why others want to find their girlfriends attractive too. How can you be in love with a person you define as "average". Jeez.

January 22, 2013

No.

Average doesn't cut it. I want to find my girlfriend attractive. And I do. I can understand why others want to find their girlfriends attractive too. How can you be in love with a person you define as "average". Jeez.

Do you feel it should be different for women wanting to find their boyfriends attractive, then? Because that's, y'know, what most of the LS single guys, including the OP, are upset about.

January 22, 2013

Exactly dude. You know that girl who weighs 500 lbs and has the smelly vagina? She's beautiful on the inside. And that's what counts. Don't be so shallow and date her, man.

I go for many women who are traditionally unattractive. I can show you pics if you like. A classy guy like you, I'm sure you'd call them ugly beasts and consider them under your league.

Do you feel it should be different for women wanting to find their boyfriends attractive, then? Because that's, y'know, what most of the LS single guys, including the OP, are upset about.

It's fine for women to want the best they can get. But if you're on the bottom and have nobody attracted to you and have to work hard for everything you have to get, YOU WOULD complain some of the time too.

I guarantee it. How many men have approached you/asked you out/showed interest and how old are you?

January 22, 2013

It's fine for women to want the best they can get. But if you're on the bottom and have nobody attracted to you and have to work hard for everything you have to get, YOU WOULD complain some of the time too.

I guarantee it. How many men have approached you/asked you out/showed interest and how old are you?

I'm not saying it's wrong to be upset, actually. I can sympathize, both with you and with the women who are having the same problem (yes, I know several, as I mentioned here). But that's where we start to disagree. It's not a gender thing. From this thread alone, clearly some men and women have more trouble getting what they want than others, and some men and women have higher appearance reqs than others. Once you make this a gender thing, it just goes around and around in circles.

January 22, 2013

I'm not saying it's wrong to be upset, actually. I can sympathize, both with you and with the women who are having the same problem (yes, I know several, as I mentioned here). But that's where we start to disagree. It's not a gender thing. From this thread alone, clearly some men and women have more trouble getting what they want than others, and some men and women have higher appearance reqs than others. Once you make this a gender thing, it just goes around and around in circles.

Actually, my main contention is that it is more about looks than gender.

You do have to be a little higher on the scale if you're a guy to take advantage though. So, if you revise the OP, and replace it with male waiters who are an 8 and a 9, it would fit too. Sometimes, I see guys and I wonder how many of the women who have rejected me would throw themselves all over them. A lot probably.

The gender thing just comes out because I'm a hetero man so I complain about women and everybody wants to jump on that.

January 22, 2013

Actually, my main contention is that it is more about looks than gender.

You do have to be a little higher on the scale if you're a guy to take advantage though. So, if you revise the OP, and replace it with male waiters who are an 8 and a 9, it would fit too. Sometimes, I see guys and I wonder how many of the women who have rejected me would throw themselves all over them. A lot probably.

The gender thing just comes out because I'm a hetero man so I complain about women and everybody wants to jump on that.

Can't blame people for jumping on stuff you write. If a hetero woman who was cheated on made lots of posts about guys being cheaters, people would jump on her too. Also, the people jumping on the gender war bandwagon aren't just the ones with opposing views - plenty of your likeminded friends are doing the same, encouraged by your own.

If you want less arguments in your threads and more empathy/advice, my suggestion would be to stick to personal (or neutral) pronouns instead of making blanket gender statements.

January 22, 2013

Can't blame people for jumping on stuff you write. If a hetero woman who was cheated on made lots of posts about guys being cheaters, people would jump on her too. Also, the people jumping on the gender war bandwagon aren't just the ones with opposing views - plenty of your likeminded friends are doing the same, encouraged by your own.

If you want less arguments in your threads and more empathy/advice, my suggestion would be to stick to personal (or neutral) pronouns instead of making blanket gender statements.

Pfft. I don't care what people here think.

I'm trying to help guys here see how things are so they can approach the game in a proper manner.

January 22, 2013

I'm trying to help guys here see how things are so they can approach the game in a proper manner.

How things are vastly different per person, so your not really helping anyone, your just flinging pooo.

January 22, 2013

I consider myself good looking (7.5... maybe a 7 if I really start thinking about it too much. 8 would be too generous though) but I don't think that means I DESERVE guys who are also 7's and 8's.

My first boyfriend is definitely about a 4. I adored his personality when we met. It didn't matter to me that he was not physically attractive. About 5'6, all of 100 pounds soaking wet, huge glasses (poor guy was blind as a bat), and the most ridiculous fashion sense. But it didn't matter, his personality caught me. Of course, about 6 months in the personality bit went out the door, he refused sex with me (turns out he'd been cheating on me, with a girl who was much prettier than me), and it all went to crap. Moved on.

Next boyfriend was about a 7. We were decently matched in looks. Things were great until he cheated on me. Like before, this girl was much prettier than me. :sick:

Went on 2 dates since then, both guys were about a 5... a little bit below average but nice personalities. We just didn't click romantically.

Those are the only guys who've shown interest. If I held out waiting for Mister 10 I'd just be plain stupid!

I guess the beauty is subjective theory just went out the window.

How things are vastly different per person, so your not really helping anyone, your just flinging pooo.

No, they're more like me than you. Women throw themselves all over you, and you can't remember how many women you've had, but still you think it's just as hard for yourself as a guy who can't attract any women. In other words, you're a top guy and you think just like a woman.

Edited January 22, 2013 by JuneJulySeptember

January 22, 2013

Do you feel it should be different for women wanting to find their boyfriends attractive, then? Because that's, y'know, what most of the LS single guys, including the OP, are upset about.

No, I don't. And quite frankly I'd be shocked if my own girlfriend said I looked "quite okay". I mean, of course I'm not the best looking guy on the planet. But I have some pride left you know.

January 22, 2013

Pfft. I don't care what people here think.

I'm trying to help guys here see how things are so they can approach the game in a proper manner.

I'm really not sure how someone with zero success or experience can attempt to help others attain success. Not saying this to be offensive, but let's be realistic here. If your opinion of 'how it works' was correct, it would have brought you success already. Otherwise it's really just the blind leading the blind.

January 22, 2013

No, they're more like me than you. Women throw themselves all over you, and you can't remember how many women you've had, but still you think it's just as hard for yourself as a guy who can't attract any women. In other words, you're a top guy and you think just like a woman.

Lol, I know exactly how many...... You realize they way you worded this is kind of f'ed up right? "how many women you've had", you make it sound like they are some kind of consumable goods.

I struggle just as much as the next guy, it's just that what i struggle with is different. However I differ from the next guy in two significant ways, I'm not looking for someone/thing to blame, and I don't think my struggles are some how more deserving of empathy than the previous guys.

January 22, 2013

I'm really not sure how someone with zero success or experience can attempt to help others attain success. Not saying this to be offensive, but let's be realistic here. If your opinion of 'how it works' was correct, it would have brought you success already. Otherwise it's really just the blind leading the blind.

What do you mean no success?

I've gotten laid. I've had girlfriends. Serious relationships.

But ONLY AFTER I figured out the rules of the game. Before when I was about getting to know the woman and human connection, it was rejection after rejection.

Where did you get that I've had no success?

January 22, 2013

What do you mean no success?

I've gotten laid. I've had girlfriends. Serious relationships.

But ONLY AFTER I figured out the rules of the game. Before when I was about getting to know the woman and human connection, it was rejection after rejection.

Where did you get that I've had no success?

How does that explain your constant talk about how 'average men never get girls', and other associated extremely bitter blanket statements? Clearly you're one who did 'get girls', then, yes? It's not just the 'alpha males' getting laid?

January 22, 2013

Lol, I know exactly how many...... You realize they way you worded this is kind of f'ed up right? "how many women you've had", you make it sound like they are some kind of consumable goods.

I struggle just as much as the next guy, it's just that what i struggle with is different. However I differ from the next guy in two significant ways, I'm not looking for someone/thing to blame, and I don't think my struggles are some how more deserving of empathy than the previous guys.

Details, details.

Please don't start the 'respect women' and they'll like you bit when I've seen so many good looking d@uchebags who treat women like numbers rack up as many numbers as they want.

You can think however you want. But I THINK you should count your lucky stars to be in your position and try and help those guys who are not as attractive. I would.

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