Woggle Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 I have a college degree but I would say that 85% of what I have learned in life I learned outside of a classroom. There is no better teacher than life. 2
Leigh 87 Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Someone sounds upset. Quite rare, though not impossible. I started at 125K a year working 32 hours a week, u mad? Nobody is talking badly about degrees that aren't hard science, they're just stating facts when they say pretty much anyone could get one with even a small amount of effort. :sick:I could not give a f*ck about how much you earn or how fancy your degree is. Your not better than me or anyone else without a degree. Your attitude, however, is disgusting. I can tell you would not even be friend with a person with no degree:sick: I am really happy to be alive and healthy; I am an extremely greatful person. I LOVE life, therefore earning heaps of money does not mean that you enjoy life more than a person like me.... So don't brag about the money you earn, or the fact you are clever enough to get a certain degree. It does not impress me. Modest people impress me! And many women would not like your attitude either, and prefer a teacher or a bricklayer who are lovely , UNJUDGMENTAL people. People who do not look down on people like me, who do not have degrees, are WAY more appealing to me and most women, than some jerk who thinks I am beneath them because I lack a degree. Another important thing your wrong about I do not have my degree, yet my closest friends all have degrees. They do not speak differently to me, or not get along with me because they have hard degrees, and I do not even HAVE a degree yet! You know, I grew up around very educated people; I am a person without a degree who gets along with people that do have degrees. Jesus, you act like people with hard science degrees speak a diffeernt bl00dy language to people like me, or people with merely a "teaching" degree. LOL! Man, my partner is on a charity bike ride, accross Australia, with a doctor; my partner is a truck driver. They apparently get along fantastically.
Leigh 87 Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Swimming isn't my cup of tea, doesn't mean Michael Phelps isn't the superior athlete. I don't like swimming/training 8 hours a day to become an Olympic champion. That's why someone like Phelps is a champion and im not. You know, a hard labourer who is great at driving various machines can earn hundreds of thousands of dollars? Or a man working in the mines also earns as much as some doctors and accomplished lawyers. Or close to it. They are just talented at driving things. And many doctors or highly educated people are good friend with such people! You would be shocked at the amount of educated people who enjoys having friend who are totally different to them? I personally really enjoy havng my Uni friends and friends who already have degrees; I love the contrast of characters between the academic friends, and my mate who hate studying, but rather earn a great living through construction or driving things well. In general, I understand why you need a mate who also needs a high level of education. I really understand it, however, you should not have such a superior attitude or regard yourself as a better catch or dating prospect than a teacher or a person who earns a living but without a degree.
dreamingoftigers Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 I kinda think that this is funny. I honestly, NO BS, made more than that as a panhandling brat on the street with my dog when I would go out. I learned pretty quickly where to go and what to avoid. Picking bottles is BS compared to what you can make out there BTW. But I was young and stupid.... I just got really really sick of it and pissed it all away. LOL. Jeez. The crap we do when we are young. Maybe I should head back out with my old dog and pay for my tuition and books.... Hmm.... Nah, got a kid to raise now.
Taramere Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) And can the degree snobs please read this. Why the heck is it a bad thing to get a degree in social sciences or as a teacher? WHY is it a bad thing, that not many people pick a hard science degree! What snobs you are. You really think less of women and people in general if they do not pick a hard science degree? LOL. Poor you. Your missing out on socialising with a lot of great people,if you only surround yourself with people with hard to get degrees. I think it's down to insecurity. None of us, if we're honest with ourselves, are indispensable in this world. To our families and close friends we might be very valuable, but ultimately the world will carry on spinning around without us. Nonetheless, you'll always encounter people pursuing this quest to prove that they have value in life and you don't. It's as though they live life permanently on that boat in the teambuilding exercise. The one where each person on the boat must justify why they shouldn't be pushed over. "I'm a doctor, I save lives" "but if other people's lives are so worthless, what makes saving lives a worthwhile endeavour?" "I'm an architect. I design buildings for people to live in." "If most people are useless parasites, where's the value in providing shelter for them?" We're all interdependent, and what we can do for others only has as much value and meaning as we're prepared to extent to other people. If they don't matter, then why would anything we can do for them matter or have value? In any event, though I don't know what the stats are for women in professions like dentistry and medicine, anecdotally I see plenty of women working those jobs. Vets too. I think as people move away from the notion that science is "for boys" increasing numbers of women will go into the sciences. Quite a few girls at my school did, because it was an all girls school and therefore it probably felt more normal to some of those girls to gravitate to the sciences as they didn't have to worry about whether or not it was a feminine thing to do. And as there was a core group of extremely bright girls, some of them did very well indeed. However, people who demean the arts and the softer "helping professions" probably have a lot to learn about the things that make life that bit more worth living. Edited January 14, 2013 by Taramere 4
Leigh 87 Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 I think it's down to insecurity. None of us, if we're honest with ourselves, are indispensable in this world. To our families and close friends we might be very valuable, but ultimately the world will carry on spinning around without us. Nonetheless, you'll always encounter people pursuing this quest to prove that they have value in life and you don't. It's as though they live life permanently on that boat in the teambuilding exercise. The one where each person on the boat must justify why they shouldn't be pushed over. "I'm a doctor, I save lives" "but if other people's lives are so worthless, what makes saving lives a worthwhile endeavour?" "I'm an architect. I design buildings for people to live in." "If most people are useless parasites, where's the value in providing shelter for them?" We're all interdependent, and what we can do for others only has as much value and meaning as we're prepared to extent to other people. If they don't matter, then why would anything we can do for them matter or have value? In any event, though I don't know what the stats are for women in professions like dentistry and medicine, anecdotally I see plenty of women working those jobs. Vets too. I think as people move away from the notion that science is "for boys" increasing numbers of women will go into the sciences. Quite a few girls at my school did, because it was an all girls school and therefore it probably felt more normal to some of those girls to gravitate to the sciences as they didn't have to worry about whether or not it was a feminine thing to do. And as there was a core group of extremely bright girls, some of them did very well indeed. What a great post. DO the doctors and lawyers of the world have time to take take their garbage down to the dump? No. They very gladly let the rubbish collectors do it. They deserve respect for working so hard to get their jobs! dedication and hard work in the face of adversity IS indeed, a VERY good attribute. I would feel secure with a person who studied hard, or at least had a degree, because it shows that they can start and finish something, and that they can carry themselves well in the way that they speak and interact with others. However, I do not view them as superior or any more important than any other person without a degree.. You know, being educated is great and all, but it does not make them superior in any way; they are just more desirable to others who value a certain level of education. That is really all. ANother important point to raise here is: truly secure and happy people don't need to look down on people. Although I admit, upbringing and what our parents drill into us indeed helps shape us. I personally was brought up believing that finishing school was important, and Uni was preferable for me to lead a happy life; but my parents were not fanatical about it and supported me when i dropped out of college.... I can see how people who grow up in certain families, consequently look down on those of us who either have no degrees, or have ones in "humanities" or "only an arts degree" People are shaped by their parents and what people around them tell them at a young age.
Leigh 87 Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Where have I displayed academic snobbery? You're projecting your insecurities onto others. I haven't said a single negative thing about any level of education. You're the one getting extremely upset, where have I judged anyone? Again it's just you being insecure. So mad. I have plenty of friends who don't have degrees or degrees that require much less effort/studying to obtain, I get along with them fabulously. You should really work on your issues regarding feelings of inferiority when it comes to academic achievement. But I have no issue with admitting I misunderstood you. You just spoke of hard science degrees and of how any idiot could get a degree of some sort.... You also said that it is rare for a person with an advanced degree, or even a degree, to be mates with a person without a degree... The doctor and the ski div ing buddies, remember? You said "it is rare" for such people to be friends.... If I misunderstood you, then oops!
dreamingoftigers Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 I think it's down to insecurity. None of us, if we're honest with ourselves, are indispensable in this world. To our families and close friends we might be very valuable, but ultimately the world will carry on spinning around without us. Nonetheless, you'll always encounter people pursuing this quest to prove that they have value in life and you don't. It's as though they live life permanently on that boat in the teambuilding exercise. The one where each person on the boat must justify why they shouldn't be pushed over. "I'm a doctor, I save lives" "but if other people's lives are so worthless, what makes saving lives a worthwhile endeavour?" "I'm an architect. I design buildings for people to live in." "If most people are useless parasites, where's the value in providing shelter for them?" We're all interdependent, and what we can do for others only has as much value and meaning as we're prepared to extent to other people. If they don't matter, then why would anything we can do for them matter or have value? Thanks Taramere. About the bolded, I know it isn't quite the thread, but the Housing First Initiatives globally have been shown to cut costs drastically for everyone and help grow economies and improve quality of life for those that partake in it. YAY! It's true though, everyone wants to brag about how much they can "get" and "take" but really, life just isn't about that. AT ALL. I would much rather play dolls with my little person than have a purse full of bills for slacking off. AND EVERYONE PERIODICALLY SLACKS AT WHATEVER THEY DO. I often wonder about that value question too. I remember when my husband and I were about to be married and someone gave me the "he's not a productive member of society blah blah" lecture. Truth was, he wasn't "productive" per se, but he wasn't anywhere near as much of a leech as many who suck off of government programs etc. He kept to himself, didn't cause trouble. Helped out other homebums etc. Meanwhile, if I were to be marrying a politician or the CEO of Pepsi (for instance) everyone would be falling all over me to congratulate me on how lucky I was. When really, I would be marrying someone "productive" but in a really negative way. A negative way that affects thousands, millions or even billions of people! It's like there's a huge disconnect there. Anyhow, with this economy, you either need a fool proof business, to be a brilliant tradesman or and education to make it. (or be a bum in the ways that we were BUT we have a family now and don't want to return to it. Plus it really isn't healthy, morally, physically, or spiritually). So we are going back to school. It's going well. I hope to go for Neuroscience. H is looking at Business Administration. We'll see. We've both come a long way and so far school hasn't offered up anything that downs life experience or tons of reading. It's a piece of paper with deadlines attached. But that piece of paper opens doors that I hope my daughter will walk through one day. I am also grateful that my country opens educational doors to the lower social classes. Even into adulthood. I think young women should look for a guy with prospects but more importantly BE someone with prospects. Too many people use it as a benchmark for it not to have a net effect on someone's life, unfortunately. 1
KungFuJoe Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 College is for idiots who need someone to tell them what to do and how to do it. That's why I never went. I'm too smart for such tomdickery!
dreamingoftigers Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 College is for idiots who need someone to tell them what to do and how to do it. That's why I never went. I'm too smart for such tomdickery! LOL, I got sick of running my own business. It had it's ups, but it really can knock you out without a supportive (or a distinctly troublesome) partner. I would like a sit on my ass and be told job for a bit. I think I'll be more entrepreneurial later in life again. After my girl leaves home. I am guessing you are your own boss.
KungFuJoe Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 LOL, I got sick of running my own business. It had it's ups, but it really can knock you out without a supportive (or a distinctly troublesome) partner. I would like a sit on my ass and be told job for a bit. I think I'll be more entrepreneurial later in life again. After my girl leaves home. I am guessing you are your own boss. No. I'm actually starting college, at the age of 38, next month. I needs a degree. 2
Leigh 87 Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 College is for idiots who need someone to tell them what to do and how to do it. That's why I never went. I'm too smart for such tomdickery! Oh well, I hope to someday be an educated idiot! .... I like having people to tell me what to do... I like reading textbooks outside in the sun, or inside in bed with tea. It's rather nice! I guess I am too lazy to get into a job and just figure out... how to be good at it, without 4 years of following peoples insructions! 1
KungFuJoe Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Oh well, I hope to someday be an educated idiot! .... I like having people to tell me what to do... I like reading textbooks outside in the sun, or inside in bed with tea. It's rather nice! I guess I am too lazy to get into a job and just figure out... how to be good at it, without 4 years of following peoples insructions! I was just joking. I wish I finished school...but me and school never got along. Luckily I work in a field that doesn't require a degree (IT) but I'm already as high as I can move up the ladder (architect) without getting into management. And going into management without a degree is not a good idea. It's either that or I get into consulting again. We'll see how it goes. Right now I work from home...maybe 5-10 hours a week so I got lots of free time. I'm a bit worried about starting again after so long. 1
Leigh 87 Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Are you two serious!! I am going back at age 26 to get my degree! I never looked forward to studying this much... If you pick a degree that has a very high rate of students who get jobs fast, it is SUCH a great feeling knowing you will probably get a job out of it.
KungFuJoe Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Are you two serious!! I am going back at age 26 to get my degree! I never looked forward to studying this much... If you pick a degree that has a very high rate of students who get jobs fast, it is SUCH a great feeling knowing you will probably get a job out of it. I hated school. If it weren't for basketball I probably would have failed high school.
Leigh 87 Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Aw Jo, I too am worried about studying every day, after well over ten years of not studying anything..... I am doing an "easy" degree, social work or teaching (I find out tomorrow which one I get into). Your degree would be hard, but you were talented to be able to be successful without a degree to begin with, so.... Your;ll be fine:)
dreamingoftigers Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 I'm 30. Enh, I hope I am on the cusp and not over the edge LOL. I want to get at least a Master's if I can afford it.
KungFuJoe Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Aw Jo, I too am worried about studying every day, after well over ten years of not studying anything..... I am doing an "easy" degree, social work or teaching (I find out tomorrow which one I get into). Your degree would be hard, but you were talented to be able to be successful without a degree to begin with, so.... Your;ll be fine:) I hope so. Maybe I'll get invited to some college parties. I'm sure my wife will love that.
Leigh 87 Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 hmm. I am looking foward to meeting knew friends the most! I have not been in a set job or study program since I moved states, so I have only a few friends in my life besides my partner. And I make friends with 20 year olds and I am 26 lol. I also want to get a masters if I do well enough in my bachelor. My main motivation was just that.. getting a degree, and "becoming" a proffession such as a teacher or a social worker.. would get me a better life than if I tried to nagivate my own career without proffessional help from many teachers for a few years... I tend to attract men who are educated even though I am not that educated, in terms of duration spent at school.... Obviously, education only really matters to people who are very highly educated, who .... dont think they are on the same wavelength as non degree people!
Arabella Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 I was just joking. I wish I finished school...but me and school never got along. Luckily I work in a field that doesn't require a degree (IT) but I'm already as high as I can move up the ladder (architect) without getting into management. And going into management without a degree is not a good idea. That's a little misleading, my friend. I work in IT too, and while a college degree is not "required", it doesn't mean we don't need education of any kind. How many certifications do you have? These can take quite a bit of time and money to achieve as well. -A
Els Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Let's look at the bigger picture here. Most women care about education. Yes they do. They're going to college in droves and breaking attendance records for universities. ****, my the female/male ratio in my graduating class is 65/35. Now. The real question is to ask: what are they getting the degrees in? Mostly soft sciences. Yeah, the soft sciences can be rigorous. But most people in those classes are known to skate by. What are the harder subjects to take? Hard sciences. Engineering. Mathematics. Physics. Chemistry. Maybe even computer "science" (coding is some serious stuff). Granted, most people wouldn't touch these majors with a ten foot pole. Regardless, these majors that require a lot of linear point-a to point-b thinking are sausage fests. Why is that? I suppose you could say that males in general tend to be more linear thinkers and females are more abstract thinkers and close the book on it right here. But that is an unsatisfying conclusion - for me at least. You're mixing up two completely independent principles here. "Males take the 'harder' subjects." Very subjective. Which subject is 'harder' depends entirely on the person involved and his/her abilities. A person who is naturally talented in math will find a medical degree way 'harder' to achieve than physics and mathematics - I actually know a person who 'skated' through his maths degree playing video games 10 hours a day, which he would never have been able to do in med school. Which brings me to the fact that your listing of 'hard' subjects is extremely selective. Other subjects commonly perceived to be 'hard' are law, medicine, and biology. In many countries women outnumber men or constitute roughly half of the current intakes for those degrees. I did a medical-related degree prior to majoring in a 'hard' science field that you mentioned, which I did in half the usual time before commencing grad school in it. The medical degree was much, much 'harder'. Employability. I'm sorry, but I have to laugh at anyone who says that Mathematics and Physics degrees make you more employable than degrees in law or medicine, or even degrees in design, marketing, social work, etc. Very, very few positions require a degree in maths or physics. They can be a useful stepping stone to many positions, yes, but the same can be said of most other degrees. Edited January 14, 2013 by Elswyth 2
Els Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Law isn't an undergraduate degree. Neither is medicine. I'm discussing undergraduate degrees and undergraduate tendencies. They are in many countries. Were we just talking about the USA here? Don't tell me Mass Communications is more difficult than Mechanical Engineering. Mass Communications takes way less time and effort than the latter. Most of the math majors I know wouldn't be able to skate by playing video games. Your friend was an exception. Of course a degree in Math or Physics will make you more employable. I laugh at anyone who says otherwise. These degrees are stepping stones to fields where there is a large dearth of qualified applicants. If there isn't, then why are we importing people from Asian countries such as India or China to work these positions? A person with a degree in Graphic Design is a dime a dozen now. The market is flooded with these people. Besides, you don't even NEED a degree for Graphic Design. Anyone can easily learn the entire Creative Suite in a couple of months and open up their own freelance business without a degree. Can't really say the same for positions that require intense training in Math, Physics, and Engineering. I agree with regards to (mechanical/electrical/civil) engineering, although honestly engineering is as employable as nursing, which is predominantly female. There are very few positions that specifically require maths and physics; biology and social sciences are at least equally in demand in many places. Outsourcing is generally done because it is cheaper, not because there is a dearth of applicants. There is also a perception that Asians are more skilled in those fields and willing to put in more work with less demands. Whether or not that perception is true, I cannot say, but I would guess it is similar to the perception that men are inherently better than women in those fields - part truth and part exaggeration. I also agree that you don't technically need a degree for graphic design - you don't actually need one for programming either. Having one in either field will give you advantages. All of this is besides my point, though, which is that you are selectively picking and choosing subjects to fit your bias. Edited January 14, 2013 by Elswyth 1
walfootrot2 Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 (edited) I'd say it's also because more men sign up for military service right after high school and end up going to college later. Very true in my case. As for the women I have dated, most of them have placed a lot of emphasis on education. This includes the ladies in their early 20s. A 24 woman I have only been out with once seems to be less concerned with a formal education, but she speaks 4 languages. Edited January 15, 2013 by walfootrot2 1
Almond_Joy Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 I'm a couple years past 25, but as a woman with an education, I have to say that the formal degrees of education of my loved one is irrelevant to me. If the guy is intelligent, willing and able to learn, and is self-sustaining, that's enough. Also I haven't looked up statistics, but Business Admin and Accounting are science degrees, and I see more women with those degrees than any other.
Leigh 87 Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 Yeah, many people study and also party. But many others fall through the cracks. What's your point? Yeah, people can party responsibly at college. I never said they couldn't. Still doesn't refute the fact that the guy who puts his nose to the grindstone and doesn't waste his time on shallow bull**** has a better chance of coming ahead. Partying takes up time in actual partying and in recovery time from alcohol. If you get wasted on Friday, you don't wake up till 4pm on Saturday, you probably won't get going until 5. Shower it off, stop being lethargic, you don't get to until around 6-6:30 pm. You then make an attempt to do whatever homework you were assigned and find out that your mental processes are still somewhat shot. 9pm-9:30 rolls around. Your friend says: "Hey dude! Kappa Kappa Kappa is having an awesome party tonight!!! It's gonna be a banger! Loads of hot chicks!!!" You then say "why the hell not". Get wasted again, repeat cycle. I have know a lot of people who this has happened to. Most of these people don't wise up until senior year. Let's be honest, time getting wasted and partying can be spent in a lot of other more productive ways. The guy who decides to skip the Friday party will finish his homework, wake up early, and concentrate on other things - such as starting the next Dell. If you're going to tell me that an Engineering major can go out and get as wasted as a person in Mass Communications, then you're dead wrong. An Engineering major's workload is often double that of that Mass Communications major's. If they can't keep up, they are kicked out of the class. A lot of the soft sciences rely on memorization of facts and figures rather than application. History requires a great degree of memorization and recollection of facts and methods. Something such as Computer Science requires memorization of coding methods AND application of those coding methods to create new programs. So... Most people don't like to do hard things. No one likes to study. The guy who studies the most has the better chance of success and will be more of an exceptional case because he took the harder, less easy path. But I don;t give a flying crap about hard sciences. THey are not the best outcome for me - I would be MUCH happier doing a teaching or social work degree. That to me, is what is ideal for ME! Not EVERYONE longs to do a hard science degree just to get paid more:sick: You know, my hopes and dreams ARE NOT the same as YOURS. And your dead wrong about parting! For MOSTY DEGREES, the pccasional Friday night is FINE! who cares if they sleep im until after noon? For most degrees, the average person does not need to study from 9 - 5 EVERY SINGLE DAY in order to pass!!!!!! LOL. Ya know, sleeping half a day for ONE day, every so often, will not offset the average person. Lastly, who the hell are YOU to look down on adults in their 20;s who enjoy partying occasionally? You know - what is so WRONG about taking ONE day off every two weeks rom studying, and only studying for 3 hours on that day, and then putting your head down the next day?
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