Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 Where'd you get those numbers from? I feel like EVERYONE and their mother is in some college nowadays; even if it's just community college. It's getting to the point where having a college degree isn't that special anymore; you have to go to grad school to have a chance to become anything. And yeah, TBH, I would prefer dating guys who have similar education/work that I do. A lot more in common. Grad school might not do anything for you either. And I have more advice for you. Don't enter an MBA program unless it's Top 10.
Els Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 31.5% of adults between the age of 25 to 34, data collected in 2011. http://www.higheredinfo.org/dbrowser/index.php?submeasure=245&year=2011&level=nation&mode=graph&state=0 Hrm, I suppose that's a fair point, since it specifies bachelor's degree or higher, so it probably doesn't count diplomas, certificates, etc. Would you consider someone who did a diploma as very different from someone who did a degree? Actually, my real question is, does it really matter? 31.5%, even if you use that number, is still hardly 'uncommon'.
Nightsky Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I think the education system is a scam in this country. I also feel that the level of education a person receives isn't as indicative as it should be of their level of education. I also find that women are fairly easy to get the harder part is finding one you want to have a serious relationship with. If you just want to get laid times have never been better if that's all you're after. 1
Els Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Actually, more broadly, I don't see the point of this thread. We're all different individuals, degree or not, high earners or not. Maybe just try going for women whom you're attracted to and vice versa, and take it from there? Also, I can just imagine the furore if a woman posted a thread with your exact same title, with the genders reversed. 'Common men' are men who don't have a degree or don't earn high wages. God, that'll bring out the MRA brigade in full force, I'd wager. 2
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 Actually, more broadly, I don't see the point of this thread. We're all different individuals, degree or not, high earners or not. Maybe just try going for women whom you're attracted to and vice versa, and take it from there? Also, I can just imagine the furore if a woman posted a thread with your exact same title, with the genders reversed. 'Common men' are men who don't have a degree or don't earn high wages. God, that'll bring out the MRA brigade in full force, I'd wager. You mean a world where someone would just like you for who you are regardless of looks and status. Dare to dream. I'm just trying to use whatever advantages I have. An opposite thread wouldn't illicit such a response I'd say because it's already well known that women reach above in status. Wasn't there a popular thread about a woman dating a doctor yesterday?
Nightsky Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 You mean a world where someone would just like you for who you are regardless of looks and status. Dare to dream. I'm just trying to use whatever advantages I have. An opposite thread wouldn't illicit such a response I'd say because it's already well known that women reach above in status. Wasn't there a popular thread about a woman dating a doctor yesterday? I think it's really sad when a guy makes this type of thread though. I mean are you really any happier dating a doctor, than some cute and sexy librarian or what ever. Obviously you're going to answer yes, and I'd expect that kind of thing from women for obvious reasons but it's kind of feminine of you to think like this. I mean I guess to a degree having a rich girl would be great but in my mind that's more along the lines of a trust fund girl from a wealthy family not some doctor woman.
Els Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 You mean a world where someone would just like you for who you are regardless of looks and status. Dare to dream. I'm just trying to use whatever advantages I have. An opposite thread wouldn't illicit such a response I'd say because it's already well known that women reach above in status. Wasn't there a popular thread about a woman dating a doctor yesterday? Thread about a woman dating a doctor is the same as thread about a man dating a doctor. As long as they don't call everyone else 'common', I think we're all good there. (BTW, I hate how everyone just assumes that doctors are just rolling in cash; they're not, most other grads earn way more per time spent for something like the first TEN years after graduation. But that's going off topic...) I don't think it will be to your advantage to specifically seek out women of much lower income. If you're happy with paying much more for the rest of your R, or are just looking for a hookup that won't culminate in a LTR, that's all well and good. If you're the sort to want to split expenses 50/50, that will just be to your detriment. However, if the 'common' girls are more interested in you than others in general and you like them, sure, I guess, why not? It's just a very odd way to label someone. 1
Treasa Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I am a mere common peasant woman, clothed in sackcloth, bereft of shoes and trying to eke a meagre pittance out of selling the shriveled potatoes from my stony patch of earth. I promise I would be a very low maintenance date. All I ask is that you buy my taters for a penny apiece. God, l LOVE women like you. I'll buy your taters for more than a penny apiece. 1
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 God, l LOVE women like you. I'll buy your taters for more than a penny apiece. Thanks, doll!
Treasa Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 You mean a world where someone would just like you for who you are regardless of looks and status. Dare to dream. I'm just trying to use whatever advantages I have. Does this mean we're not going out for Ethiopian at 7 anymore? Damn.
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 I think it's really sad when a guy makes this type of thread though. I mean are you really any happier dating a doctor, than some cute and sexy librarian or what ever. Obviously you're going to answer yes, and I'd expect that kind of thing from women for obvious reasons but it's kind of feminine of you to think like this. I mean I guess to a degree having a rich girl would be great but in my mind that's more along the lines of a trust fund girl from a wealthy family not some doctor woman. To be honest, I don't really care what a woman does. I'd be just as happy with a hairdresser as a doctor if she were cool. But at the same time, I'm smart enough to know that most people don't think like me. Does this mean we're not going out for Ethiopian at 7 anymore? Damn. Haha. Well you have the added benefit of dating someone who could double your wardrobe at the same time, so I don't know how I could compete with that. I'm not a cheap date though. Thread about a woman dating a doctor is the same as thread about a man dating a doctor. As long as they don't call everyone else 'common', I think we're all good there. (BTW, I hate how everyone just assumes that doctors are just rolling in cash; they're not, most other grads earn way more per time spent for something like the first TEN years after graduation. But that's going off topic...) I don't think it will be to your advantage to specifically seek out women of much lower income. If you're happy with paying much more for the rest of your R, or are just looking for a hookup that won't culminate in a LTR, that's all well and good. If you're the sort to want to split expenses 50/50, that will just be to your detriment. However, if the 'common' girls are more interested in you than others in general and you like them, sure, I guess, why not? It's just a very odd way to label someone. I actually don't make a lot of $. But I have degrees. Tons of em. See above. If I don't care about what a woman makes or how many degrees she has, than I'll take the path of least resistance. But from all indications from men here, it's just as hard anyway.
Treasa Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 It's true. I would be happy with either a man or a woman.
Els Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I actually don't make a lot of $. But I have degrees. Tons of em. See above. If I don't care about what a woman makes or how many degrees she has, than I'll take the path of least resistance. But from all indications from men here, it's just as hard anyway. I think it's fine, even great, to not care. I was just puzzled by the terminology that you used, and your assumption that it would somehow benefit you to specifically aim for 'common' girls. That isn't equivalent to not caring. I hope you didn't get all those degrees hoping that it would help you with the ladies. My observation has been that most people, male or female, don't much care about more than one, if they care at all. Some people even look at me weirdly for having two. If I met someone with three or more, I admit I'd be thinking, "Is this guy ever going to go out and work???" 2
TheZebra Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 If I met someone with three or more, I admit I'd be thinking, "Is this guy ever going to go out and work???" I saw someone like that on FB the other day (friend of a friend). She got her bachelors... then MBA... then JD, all one right after the other. My thoughts were 'wow, that's impressive, but barring scholarships she probably has over $200k in debt and has never had a job outside of a summer internship, and she's almost 30 0_0'
Treasa Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 This thread is turning me from bisexual into purely a lesbian. So much love for the ladies here. Especially since JJS bailed out on our pretend date.
TheZebra Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 And I have more advice for you. Don't enter an MBA program unless it's Top 10. You're 100% right. Was just reading an article about MBAs having trouble finding jobs (though it specified the same was not true for graduates from top programs). That's why I'm busting my non-existent balls trying to improve my resume, study for the GMAT, and somehow still find time to do extracurriculars to show 'leadership' so I have substance for the essays =/ Tough road, but it's my dream 1
carhill Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 So, apparently reading posts from here, every woman has a graduate degree, owns their own business, makes six figures, or aspires to be a CEO of an LLC. Which is fine. But it's pretty well known that it's tough to get a woman of a higher or equal status. But I also know that not all women in the real world have all that going on. I go to buy skiwear and I see women in their 30s working non-managerial retail, women working at Barnes and Noble, hairdressers, administrative assistants, waitresses. Guys, do you find these women to be easier and less stuck up in your opinion? I've found no correlation between beauty, status or economic wealth, or lack thereof, and 'luck' in dating. Women are individuals. Reflecting back, though I didn't analyze it at the time, I've had relationships with some pretty special women, in their own ways. To another man, they might be 'common'. We're all different. I would say the most poignant of those was with a doctor who could cook me out of the kitchen, kiss like the dickens and was unpretentious to boot. To her, I was probably pretty 'common' but apparently it didn't matter at the time. Life choice error #1302702a. OTOH, some of the more 'equal' ones were the ones where I ended up on the short end of the 'street-smart' stick of emotional brutality, hence my desire to date away from my physical locale. Tough crowd around here. IMO, focus on women as individuals and looks for synergies in your styles and interactions. The rest of the stuff either works out or it doesn't. 'Common' is not an insurance policy, IME at least. 2
TouchedByViolet Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I don't know about this thread. I think most people who are relationship minded just want to find someone they are attracted to emotionally and physically who feels the same way about them. 3
runningfar Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I am not a future CEO! Just a gal making ends meet with her passion and a lot of legwork. Oh and of course that huge settlement I read on here is coming from my rich ex divorcing me... I wonder when the checks will start hitting the mailbox... 1
lino Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) I really had no idea that having a degree made someone 'uncommon'. Many of the people working in Starbucks etc are actually doing it part time while going to college, too. Did I accidentally burst your bubble, OP? The ratio of self-proclaimed 'super successful' men seems to be about equal on LS, though they are obviously fewer in numbers, due to being fewer overall. Not sure why you think that's a solely female thing. The internet in general is obviously going to be more appealing to the white-collar sort because of the inherent nature of it. That is why you're more likely to find a lawyer, grad student, or IT consultant, for example, on LS, rather than a farmer or builder. I was unaware farmers and builders hadn't yet discovered Internet message boards. Is it still 1993 or are blue collar types really that primitive according to you? Pretty snobby comment but I guess that's the mentality of some people on here. Like I said, I judge people (male or female) by their character, not their job, income or education level. World would be a much friendlier place if everyone did so. Edited January 9, 2013 by lino Added the end bit.
Necris Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) Since I have a 100% rejection rate, and never even had as much as a 2nd date, and the girls I approach typically are plain looking with average personalities, and not high status, I'd say my luck with common girls is pretty bad. Edited January 10, 2013 by Necris
kaylan Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) So, apparently reading posts from here, every woman has a graduate degree, owns their own business, makes six figures, or aspires to be a CEO of an LLC. Which is fine. But it's pretty well known that it's tough to get a woman of a higher or equal status. But I also know that not all women in the real world have all that going on. I go to buy skiwear and I see women in their 30s working non-managerial retail, women working at Barnes and Noble, hairdressers, administrative assistants, waitresses. Guys, do you find these women to be easier and less stuck up in your opinion?I find them to be not my type tbh. I want a guy whos ambitious and uncommon. Not average and common. Even at the age I am right now, girls who don't even have bachelors degrees think that they're so good they won't even give the guys who will make the next Cisco Systems a chance. Of course no woman wants a guy she perceives as lower status and neither do most men. Still, there are a lot of men that will take a woman of "lower status" than him if she fits his physical and emotional criteria. Obviously, a lot of men value a woman on her looks. Most men don't care if she has an "awesome personality", is a "career-oriented" woman, or whatever other filler is in there. As long as she fits the physical criteria, is easy to get along with, doesn't nag, doesn't belittle him, is interesting to talk to, and manages to make him feel like an actual man, then the rest is irrelevant. You start with a base and build up from there. Most women today, especially of my generation do not have this base established and believe that men should accept them for who they are even if they are what Nietzsche calls "inverse cripples" (look it up). The result is an entitlement mentality backed up by the narcissistic social outlets of Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. Significant others are no longer used as a complement to life but rather used as a leverage of status and an incessant reminder of the person's desirability. As long as the other person makes them look good, that's all that matters. I bolded is untrue. Me and all of my close guy friends want a driven gal whos got a good personality. Looks arent the most important thing, though they do matter somewhat. Edited January 10, 2013 by kaylan
Els Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I was unaware farmers and builders hadn't yet discovered Internet message boards. Is it still 1993 or are blue collar types really that primitive according to you? Pretty snobby comment but I guess that's the mentality of some people on here. Like I said, I judge people (male or female) by their character, not their job, income or education level. World would be a much friendlier place if everyone did so. Wow, you sure have a chip on your shoulder, don't you? Not once did I say that farmers and builders hadn't 'discovered' Internet message boards. They just don't enjoy spending the hours on them that some of us do. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that! They have a great healthy lifestyle and some of us would do well to emulate them a little more. How about you personally get to know a few more farmers and builders, talk to them about what they enjoy doing in their spare time, then come back to me with your accusations of snobbery. As for your last paragraph, I have been suggesting that the entire time in this thread, if you hadn't noticed. You, on the other hand, went on an unnecessary spiel about how unlikely it was that the people on LS - women in particular - were lying about what they did for a living.
TheFinalWord Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 You're 100% right. Was just reading an article about MBAs having trouble finding jobs (though it specified the same was not true for graduates from top programs). That's why I'm busting my non-existent balls trying to improve my resume, study for the GMAT, and somehow still find time to do extracurriculars to show 'leadership' so I have substance for the essays =/ Tough road, but it's my dream MBA is a great degree. Basically, those having a hard time finding jobs, ironically are not maximizing the degree. MBA teaches you how to think strategically in the midst of chaos. It also teaches you to see the big picture and how to integrate all functions of an organization together. For that reason, I think 5+ years in industry is extremely beneficial. GMAT isn't too bad. The quant questions are actually fun...if you like logic-based games. Gmat club forums are really helpful for giving tips and tricks. For verbal, I found sentence correction the easiest to improve on. The writing section was easy if you go in with a template in mind and have a good understanding of the world (they always ask about some current event or historical event and to argue for and against it). Main thing is don't get bogged down in spending thousands on all the different test prep materials out there. These guys give tons of great tips...All the best to you Learn to love it, it takes a certain mind to accomplish an MBA. You can do it 1
Els Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I saw someone like that on FB the other day (friend of a friend). She got her bachelors... then MBA... then JD, all one right after the other. My thoughts were 'wow, that's impressive, but barring scholarships she probably has over $200k in debt and has never had a job outside of a summer internship, and she's almost 30 0_0' Hahahah, yeah. To be fair to her, though, that isn't even three degrees, since the MBA is a masters, so it at least builds on something (not sure what a JD is). Three degrees would be something like BA in Art History, BSc in Health Science and BSc in Marketing, for example. I'm all for people doing what they love to do, though, be it taking three degrees, or going out after high school to work and travel, or working a farm. I just don't think that one should do whatever one does hoping that it'll attract the opposite sex, because I'm certain having multiple degrees doesn't do much for attraction in most cases. This thread is turning me from bisexual into purely a lesbian. So much love for the ladies here. Especially since JJS bailed out on our pretend date. I don't have a million or even a tenth of it, but I'm in grad school! Will you go out with me??? :love::love: I've found no correlation between beauty, status or economic wealth, or lack thereof, and 'luck' in dating. Women are individuals. Reflecting back, though I didn't analyze it at the time, I've had relationships with some pretty special women, in their own ways. To another man, they might be 'common'. We're all different. I would say the most poignant of those was with a doctor who could cook me out of the kitchen, kiss like the dickens and was unpretentious to boot. To her, I was probably pretty 'common' but apparently it didn't matter at the time. Life choice error #1302702a. OTOH, some of the more 'equal' ones were the ones where I ended up on the short end of the 'street-smart' stick of emotional brutality, hence my desire to date away from my physical locale. Tough crowd around here. IMO, focus on women as individuals and looks for synergies in your styles and interactions. The rest of the stuff either works out or it doesn't. 'Common' is not an insurance policy, IME at least. So very, very true. I always found it pretty sad how threads like this often turn into a bashing spree towards women who choose to go the higher education or fast-track career route. There is absolutely nothing wrong with 'common' girls (except the term!), and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the career-focused woman. Neither is one 'easier' to get than the other. Just different strokes for different folks. Sadly the people complaining about discrimination the most, seem to be the ones most eager to propagate their own variety of discrimination.
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