ThaWholigan Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Really? Then I must not be mediocre in looks then..... Because i've had it happen to me. Granted it hasn't happened to me many times, it has happened. Same here. Its even happened without my knowledge .
ascendotum Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) To his credit, Jimmy is pretty hot. Hell, I'd give him a go myself. Tsk tsk. You wont do a threesome with another guy but when its a 'hot' guy like jimmy, the pants drop pretty quick don't they. Typical, you play the 'I'm not that type of guy' normally but when it comes to an alpha guy, then you're all 'I'm an adventurous guy, I'll try anything once or twice if I like it' OP, I know what you are talking about. While many women dont limit their dating options to just the hunky tall guys, many I find tend to only get outspoken about 'doing a guy' when it comes to 'hot stuff' guys, otherwise they will generally play it quiet, I guess because they tend to be more the selector rather than initiator in the dating ritual. Guys do this to, maybe not you, but the more cocky confident ones don't mind speaking out in front of women (assuming it wont hurt their prospects) Its all just talk generally. Edited January 9, 2013 by ascendotum
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 OP, I know what you are talking about. While many women dont limit their dating options to just the hunky tall guys, many I find tend to only get outspoken about 'doing a guy' when it comes to 'hot stuff' guys, otherwise they will generally play it quiet, I guess because they tend to be more the selector rather than initiator in the dating ritual. \ Ding, ding, ding. Thus the birth of the alpha male theory.
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 Ahhh I'm sick of these threads over and over about the same thing. Sorry. Yet, you keep replying. You must be having some kind of fun. People always slow down to see the car accident. 1
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Ahhh I'm sick of these threads over and over about the same thing. Sorry. The redundancy and tedium are mind numbing. Guys - don't you realize that this same drek has been covered hundreds of times over the past 4 years on these forums? I think you will have a much warmer welcome to these rants if you roll them out on reddit or a PUA forum or someplace like that. Don't you think? 3
todreaminblue Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Ding, ding, ding. Thus the birth of the alpha male theory. ring that bell again see what happens...i have an alpha women theory that i will hit you over the head with it..i hear ding ding ding and think cool kickboxing time..smiling of course......deb
MrCastle Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Tsk tsk. You wont do a threesome with another guy but when its a 'hot' guy like jimmy, the pants drop pretty quick don't they. Typical, you play the 'I'm not that type of guy' normally but when it comes to an alpha guy, then you're all 'I'm an adventurous guy, I'll try anything once or twice if I like it' I think you put more thought into my post than even I did.
Necris Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Some women here don't seem to understand why LS guys buy into the 'alpha male' theory and post these endless threads about it, so I think this example will illustrate how females themselves help perpetuate it. Through work, school, and friends I've met many different women of varying races, backgrounds, and personality. White, black, Asian, Latina. Some are quiet and reserved, others are social but conservative, others are party animals, others straight laced sorority type girls. I'm friends with these women so they talk to me about stuff. And one of the things they are NEVER shy to relate to me is the "I'd go out with him" guy. That is when you're talking about something unrelated and trite such as NPR headlines, and all of the sudden the subject shifts to a guy you both know, and she remarks excitedly and unabashedly "I'd go out with Jimmy!" with a glow in her eyes as if someone had just offered her a free Prada bag. Jimmy is always a good looking, not short, pretty suave dude. Jimmy is NEVER the nice, kind of funny, pretty cool, OK looking guy. Ever. And here's the ringer. The woman who says "I'd go out with Jimmy!", it could be any of those types, from the party girl, down to the quiet shy one. Jimmy might not want her and Jimmy often has a girlfriend, but that doesn't stop them from remarking that they would date him. Gals, search yourselves and you will know it to be true. I know not ALL gals want Jimmy but a whole lot do, and so this where guys get the 'alpha' theories from. You're all gonna say, "But guys lust after the very top, hot women just the same." I don't really think that's true. While this is a little off-topic but I find talking to women can be a bit annoying at times, as they love talking about the guys they are into, and everything just gets awkward for me, especially if she's going into alot of details, women and gay guys maybe interested in that kind of conversation, but that's just annoying to me. Recently a friend of mine who is a woman invited me over to her place as she wanted to show off the work she did in Christmas decorating, and somehow while we were talking the subject changed to this dentist she knew and just how "unbelievably, sexy" he is, and she starts going into all this detail, and things just start feeling extremely awkward, so I just said goodbye, telling her I had to do something extremely important (actually not really a lie), and took my leave. 1
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 http://www.hookingupsmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Hypergamy.jpg A somewhat simplistic diagram but this is the basic outline. So simple, yet so poignant. 1
somedude81 Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I disagree - I don't think women all want the same guys. I personally think that the day I started to believe that women all wanted different guys is the day I started to get somewhere with women. I felt better, I carried myself better. I was bolder with women, and all sorts. Girls may have liked me or been intrigued by me before, but now I have more attention. Because I didn't go around thinking it's rare that women will ever like me or some stupid sh*t. Really, I feel sorry for you guys, because I personally believe that you are the ones who make your own problems when it comes to attracting women. Just like I was. I keep trying to show you that looking at things the way you look at it may be getting in your way, and I keep hearing the same things. I have women friends too, and they don't all like the same guys. There are guys who are more popular than others, but generally EVERY GUY I KNOW (bar a very small handful) is good with women. Dude, girls have been into you for a while before you lost your V. You even said so yourself. What you did was stop screwing things up and finally let it happen. That's very different from coming from the bottom and forcing things to work.
ThaWholigan Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Dude, girls have been into you for a while before you lost your V. You even said so yourself. What you did was stop screwing things up and finally let it happen. That's very different from coming from the bottom and forcing things to work. No its not that different. I had to do the same things to improve myself that all the strugglers to do, and it was not easy. Sometimes I think you guys want to complain more than you want a GF/get laid. You spend so much time rationalizing why datings unfair instead of accepting it like everyone else. Just like the women who bawl about there being no good guys. Stop it . Look at MrCastle. He looked to improve with women and he did. You all can improve if you stop perpetuating the limiting beliefs you carry around as gospel - you might find that the dating world doesn't suck so much. 2
Necris Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I wanted to add this to my above post but oh well. Why do you think women like to talk about guys they are interested in to other guys? It just makes conversation awkward IMO.
somedude81 Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 No its not that different. I had to do the same things to improve myself that all the strugglers to do, and it was not easy. Sometimes I think you guys want to complain more than you want a GF/get laid. You spend so much time rationalizing why datings unfair instead of accepting it like everyone else. Just like the women who bawl about there being no good guys. Stop it . Look at MrCastle. He looked to improve with women and he did. You all can improve if you stop perpetuating the limiting beliefs you carry around as gospel - you might find that the dating world doesn't suck so much. Do you believe there was any connection between your self-improvement and your success? You never received any potential bites before you improved yourself? I don't remember castle every saying he struggled.
ThaWholigan Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I wanted to add this to my above post but oh well. Why do you think women like to talk about guys they are interested in to other guys? It just makes conversation awkward IMO. I don't know. Maybe to see how you will react. I always play along and ask them whether they are gonna ask him out or f+ck him. If its a female friend, I'm genuinely interested in whether it works out for them. If its a girl I like or am trying to date, I tease them about being too scared to go for them. Its better to not let it bother you. Even talk about other girls.
TheFinalWord Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I wanted to add this to my above post but oh well. Why do you think women like to talk about guys they are interested in to other guys? It just makes conversation awkward IMO. Question, do you like this girl? Has she flirted with you?
c57dood Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I wanted to add this to my above post but oh well. Why do you think women like to talk about guys they are interested in to other guys? It just makes conversation awkward IMO. To let you know they aren't interested in you! Imagine you were talking to a girl about another girl you were interested in. This means that you aren't interested in the one girl you are speaking to. Don't waste your time. Would you rather listen to a girl blather on endlessly about boys, or would you rather build something, kick some ass, blow something up, create something, eat something, take a nap, or listen to some cool music? That girl talk and gossip is women's territory, not men. 1
TheFinalWord Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 To let you know they aren't interested in you! Imagine you were talking to a girl about another girl you were interested in. This means that you aren't interested in the one girl you are speaking to. Don't waste your time. Would you rather listen to a girl blather on endlessly about boys, or would you rather build something, kick some ass, blow something up, create something, eat something, take a nap, or listen to some cool music? That girl talk and gossip is women's territory, not men. That was going to be my one suggestion. Either she considers you very platonic and sees you as one of the girls, or if you have been flirting and she isn't interested she is telling you in a round about way to crush any doubt in your mind she's not into you, or if she has been flirty with you, she might be trying to make you jealous so you make a move. Need more info about "friend" and your interactions.
ThaWholigan Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Do you believe there was any connection between your self-improvement and your success? You never received any potential bites before you improved yourself? I don't remember castle every saying he struggled. I had 2 false dawns during 18-20. They were spectacular failures because I had no idea what I was doing. One was a gorgeous singer I was infatuated with for a while. The only difference is that I believe my dating life is in my control - not my genes, not women or fate.
ScreamingTrees Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I wanted to add this to my above post but oh well. Why do you think women like to talk about guys they are interested in to other guys? It just makes conversation awkward IMO. The next time a girl's all like "wow, my dentist is SO damn hot" why don't you just tell her "Listen, sugar tits, unless you're going to be making sexy talk with ME, I'm not interested in listening about other guys." I mean, you don't have to say it like that exactly, but I probably would just to see what she says. Guaranteed that her panties would probably grow wings and fly away as her crotch hairs shave themselves to make a perfect landing strip for you.. Don't talk my word for it, man, give it a shot, instead of standing there pretending to care when you really don't.. Why not be honest, with her and yourself? It's more attractive. 1
Necris Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Question, do you like this girl? Has she flirted with you? She's a friend of mine, and while I have playfully flirted with her from time to time she hasn't flirted with me before, as for liking her, I kind of like her, and she's very nice, but I'm not all that physically attracted to her. Anyway my question was more general since that has happened to me a few times, where conversations with women lead to guys she thinks are hot.
somedude81 Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 She's a friend of mine, and while I have playfully flirted with her from time to time she hasn't flirted with me before, as for liking her, I kind of like her, and she's very nice, but I'm not all that physically attracted to her. Anyway my question was more general since that has happened to me a few times, where conversations with women lead to guys she thinks are hot. Just interrupt her and start talking about girls that you think are hot. Extra points if you're talking about her. 1
sillyanswer Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 http://www.hookingupsmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Hypergamy.jpg Google Image Result for http://glpiggy.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/slide12.jpg That is it, in a nutshell. The article for that second image does point out that it's "obviously somewhat exaggerated", though. But anyway, now that you're fully informed about relationships and how monogamy and the one woman one man principle is so last century (and was, in any case, merely a passing fashion) what are you going to do about it? Apart from 'educate' us here about it, of course. I tend to imagine that the corollary to hypergamy is that men will bang anything, given the chance. It fits the same statistics, and as far as dating advice goes it's about as useful (perhaps more so). 1
sillyanswer Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Because I have an understanding about hypergamy and how it works, I know that I have the tools to help people I know, including my friends and possibly save more relationships. I have seen too many of my friends dumped on their asses by women and they have no understanding of why. Also, if I by some odd chance find myself in some sort of a relationship, I know that I am not the final option and I should prepare myself for when this internal instinct to date "up" occurs. Many men think that they are the endgame when it comes to a relationship but women's hypergamy prevents any such thing from occurring unless you at the very top-tier of males to which she can attain no higher. Ok, so I see the part where you're educating men that their relationships are doomed and that when we get dumped it's because we're victims of this women's hypergamy... but what's the bit about tools to save relationships all about? What can I do to keep the next woman I like without falling victim to women's hypergamy? From what you've written so far I thought it was all a bit inevitable that I'll get dumped for someone more alpha! 1
sillyanswer Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 The only solution to hypergamy I can think of is emotional reservation. Many men put 100% of their emotional feeling into a relationship thinking "this is it' date=' this is the endgame". The key would be to put enough emotional feeling into the relationship while withholding enough back. That way she feels as if you are emotionally invested in the relationship while you reserve enough to keep yourself grounded and less torn apart when the relationship is over. The people who have the easiest chance of moving on from any type of relationship with the least emotional trauma are those who remain emotionally detached during the relationship.[/quote'] Ok, so that's a coping mechanism for being less hurt when getting dumped... and I can see it could be effective in that regard. Where are your tools for saving relationships that you mentioned a couple of posts ago? That's really what I'm hoping to learn about (because the other parts of your education program really have been done to death here and all across the blogosphere).
xxoo Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) I haven't. Like I said, they may eventually date, even marry those guys, but they will never get all in a huff and excited about them. What a false assumption. Edited January 9, 2013 by a LoveShack.org Moderator
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